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Post by soljah808 on May 20, 2022 19:09:05 GMT -5
I think some fans to to keep their unrealistic expectations for the program in check. This isn’t the 80’s, 90’s, and early 2000’s anymore. The collegiate women’s volleyball landscape is very different now. Let’s be real here, the Wahine program is not getting the support other schools are getting, Hawaii isn’t getting the big recruits other schools are getting. The the top Hawaii born players are not staying home to play for the Wahine. It’s a very challenging outlook for Robyn but she has been doing well. Her team won the Big West Conference last season and made it to the 2nd round, which is an accomplishment considering they lost their two biggest arms who still had eligibility left. She lost her partner who went back home to Sweden. It’s been a very volatile two years for the Wahine program but they’re okay. They’re reigning Big West champs but some people are already writing them off. Hawaii may never get back to the way the program was in its glory years but c’mon. There’s less than 10 programs in the country who are perennial contenders. BIK why is it unrealistic to expect the program to be relevant again? I say there is absolutely NO reason why our program can't be relevant again. We have the history of our program, the best fans in the nation (consistently top 3 in the nation in attendance), and play in one of the best venues - The Stan Sheriff Center, in the nation. Are you really OK with our program becoming just another mid-major? I know I'm not. All the points you bring up are good points so maybe instead of just accepting it and making excuses for the downward slide of our program we should take a good hard look at why we can't attract talent like we used to and why we can't keep our best players home anymore, and why the players that are recruited either don't sign, transfer out after a short time, or just move on even when they have eligibility left... Be relevant again? Not many teams in Hawaii's position is still relevant. I'm actually surprised Hawaii is still going as strong as its been while having to compete with not only these Power 5 schools but also these ridiculous NIL deals these schools or connections are throwing at athletes this day and age.
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Post by hapaguy on May 20, 2022 19:51:56 GMT -5
BIK why is it unrealistic to expect the program to be relevant again? I say there is absolutely NO reason why our program can't be relevant again. We have the history of our program, the best fans in the nation (consistently top 3 in the nation in attendance), and play in one of the best venues - The Stan Sheriff Center, in the nation. Are you really OK with our program becoming just another mid-major? I know I'm not. All the points you bring up are good points so maybe instead of just accepting it and making excuses for the downward slide of our program we should take a good hard look at why we can't attract talent like we used to and why we can't keep our best players home anymore, and why the players that are recruited either don't sign, transfer out after a short time, or just move on even when they have eligibility left... Be relevant again? Not many teams in Hawaii's position is still relevant. I'm actually surprised Hawaii is still going as strong as its been while having to compete with not only these Power 5 schools but also these ridiculous NIL deals these schools or connections are throwing at athletes this day and age. YES! Be relevant again! This idea I see from some like you that "oh they're P5 schools so they should be better because they have more resources blah blah blah" is BS. We battled P5 (BCS) schools since 1998 when the BCS came into being and we were relevant all the way up until 2017 - that's almost 20 years of competing with and beating P5 schools all the while staying nationally relevant and in the polls. We've done it before and we can do it again. And by the way, the NCAA Division 1 Board of Directors approved an interim NIL policy in 2021 so it's not like that has been a factor in only ONE YEAR. I think it's sad that some fans will just throw up their hands and accept our beloved program sliding into mediocrity. It's pathetic actually.....
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Post by noblesol on May 20, 2022 20:04:47 GMT -5
Schools with large NIL collectives will have advantages in attracting and keeping top U.S. talent. But if the NIL disparity becomes too large, it has the potential to become a disincentive to recruiting international students that aren't NIL eligible. As an international they'd be playing alongside teammates raking in NIL deals and attention. The larger the NIL $$$, the more it could devolve into a de facto caste system. Where the not so subliminal message is no matter how much the international student athlete brings to the team, only those in the higher caste will NIL profit from team success. The greater the wealth and attention disparity, the more negative the impact to team chemistry and team mental health, if the international student-athletes are carrying the load but their U.S. teammates are reaping the NIL rewards. The net effect, schools with modest NIL collectives may have less caste issues when adding international student athletes. And NIL may serve as another reason for mid-majors to look internationally to fill their rosters, and for those international student-athletes to give them a more focused look.
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Post by hapaguy on May 20, 2022 20:23:20 GMT -5
Schools with large NIL collectives will have advantages in attracting and keeping top U.S. talent. But if the NIL disparity becomes too large, it has the potential to become a disincentive to recruiting international students that aren't NIL eligible. As an international they'd be playing alongside teammates raking in NIL deals and attention. The larger the NIL $$$, the more it could devolve into a de facto caste system. Where the not so subliminal message is no matter how much the international student athlete brings to the team, only those in the higher caste will NIL profit from team success. The greater the wealth and attention disparity, the more negative the impact to team chemistry and team mental health, if the international student-athletes are carrying the load but their U.S. teammates are reaping the NIL rewards. The net effect, schools with modest NIL collectives may have less caste issues when adding international student athletes. And NIL may serve as another reason for mid-majors to look internationally to fill their rosters, and for those international student-athletes to give them a more focused look. Agree with you completely. Jacob Thelle had an interview where he spoke about NIL's and it's impact and how it affects international athletes like himself. If I can find that interview I'll post it here. In the meantime here is a link to an ESPN article that details the history of the NIL and about how the NCAA went about writing policy that they passed last year in June of 2021: www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/31086019/everything-need-know-ncaa-nil-debate
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Post by noblesol on May 20, 2022 20:42:39 GMT -5
Schools with large NIL collectives will have advantages in attracting and keeping top U.S. talent. But if the NIL disparity becomes too large, it has the potential to become a disincentive to recruiting international students that aren't NIL eligible. As an international they'd be playing alongside teammates raking in NIL deals and attention. The larger the NIL $$$, the more it could devolve into a de facto caste system. Where the not so subliminal message is no matter how much the international student athlete brings to the team, only those in the higher caste will NIL profit from team success. The greater the wealth and attention disparity, the more negative the impact to team chemistry and team mental health, if the international student-athletes are carrying the load but their U.S. teammates are reaping the NIL rewards. The net effect, schools with modest NIL collectives may have less caste issues when adding international student athletes. And NIL may serve as another reason for mid-majors to look internationally to fill their rosters, and for those international student-athletes to give them a more focused look. Agree with you completely. Jacob Thelle had an interview where he spoke about NIL's and it's impact and how it affects international athletes like himself. If I can find that interview I'll post it here. In the meantime here is a link to an ESPN article that details the history of the NIL and about how the NCAA went about writing policy that they passed last year in June of 2021: www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/31086019/everything-need-know-ncaa-nil-debateNIL legal standing for internationals. In evolution or devolution, depending on where one stands: frieserlegal.com/nil-for-international-student-athletes/#:~:text=The%20NCAA%20and%20the%20states%20that%20have%20passed,after%20obtaining%20an%20F-1%20or%20J-1%20student%20visa.
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Post by hapaguy on May 20, 2022 20:48:15 GMT -5
Good source. Thanks for posting....Yes, that's what Jacob was talking about that his VISA would not permit it....
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Post by soljah808 on May 20, 2022 21:41:01 GMT -5
Be relevant again? Not many teams in Hawaii's position is still relevant. I'm actually surprised Hawaii is still going as strong as its been while having to compete with not only these Power 5 schools but also these ridiculous NIL deals these schools or connections are throwing at athletes this day and age. YES! Be relevant again! This idea I see from some like you that "oh they're P5 schools so they should be better because they have more resources blah blah blah" is BS. We battled P5 (BCS) schools since 1998 when the BCS came into being and we were relevant all the way up until 2017 - that's almost 20 years of competing with and beating P5 schools all the while staying nationally relevant and in the polls. We've done it before and we can do it again. And by the way, the NCAA Division 1 Board of Directors approved an interim NIL policy in 2021 so it's not like that has been a factor in only ONE YEAR. I think it's sad that some fans will just throw up their hands and accept our beloved program sliding into mediocrity. It's pathetic actually..... Actually what is pathetic is that some Hawaii wahine fans have been utterly SPOILED with always winning over the years that you guys have unrealistic expectations. And when those unrealistic expectations aren't met....you guys would instantly want to 'throw the baby out with the bath water' so to speak. AhMow just won another BWC championship and lost in the round of 32 at Washington against Udub this season. Same team and during the same tournament even Shoji with his 42 years had a hard time doing because they got sent there so often. And so what you asking for really? What brings them out of mediocrity? Be ranked again? OK fine? What? Get past the round of 32? OK she did that 3 years back? What else you like? She has taken them to the tournament since she has taken over for Shoji. I swear some of you guys still live like you guys in the 80's early 90's.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2022 21:54:29 GMT -5
YES! Be relevant again! This idea I see from some like you that "oh they're P5 schools so they should be better because they have more resources blah blah blah" is BS. We battled P5 (BCS) schools since 1998 when the BCS came into being and we were relevant all the way up until 2017 - that's almost 20 years of competing with and beating P5 schools all the while staying nationally relevant and in the polls. We've done it before and we can do it again. And by the way, the NCAA Division 1 Board of Directors approved an interim NIL policy in 2021 so it's not like that has been a factor in only ONE YEAR. I think it's sad that some fans will just throw up their hands and accept our beloved program sliding into mediocrity. It's pathetic actually..... Actually what is pathetic is that some Hawaii wahine fans have been utterly SPOILED with always winning over the years that you guys have unrealistic expectations. And when those unrealistic expectations aren't met....you guys would instantly want to 'throw the baby out with the bath water' so to speak. AhMow just won another BWC championship and lost in the round of 32 at Washington against Udub this season. Same team and during the same tournament even Shoji with his 42 years had a hard time doing because they got sent there so often. And so what you asking for really? What brings them out of mediocrity? Be ranked again? OK fine? What? Get past the round of 32? OK she did that 3 years back? What else you like? She has taken them to the tournament since she has taken over for Shoji. I swear some of you guys still live like you guys in the 80's early 90's. 🥱🥱🥱
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Post by hapaguy on May 20, 2022 22:56:44 GMT -5
YES! Be relevant again! This idea I see from some like you that "oh they're P5 schools so they should be better because they have more resources blah blah blah" is BS. We battled P5 (BCS) schools since 1998 when the BCS came into being and we were relevant all the way up until 2017 - that's almost 20 years of competing with and beating P5 schools all the while staying nationally relevant and in the polls. We've done it before and we can do it again. And by the way, the NCAA Division 1 Board of Directors approved an interim NIL policy in 2021 so it's not like that has been a factor in only ONE YEAR. I think it's sad that some fans will just throw up their hands and accept our beloved program sliding into mediocrity. It's pathetic actually..... Actually what is pathetic is that some Hawaii wahine fans have been utterly SPOILED with always winning over the years that you guys have unrealistic expectations. And when those unrealistic expectations aren't met....you guys would instantly want to 'throw the baby out with the bath water' so to speak. AhMow just won another BWC championship and lost in the round of 32 at Washington against Udub this season. Same team and during the same tournament even Shoji with his 42 years had a hard time doing because they got sent there so often. And so what you asking for really? What brings them out of mediocrity? Be ranked again? OK fine? What? Get past the round of 32? OK she did that 3 years back? What else you like? She has taken them to the tournament since she has taken over for Shoji. I swear some of you guys still live like you guys in the 80's early 90's. Why are we spoiled to expect our team to do what it's done in the recent past? and I'm NOT talking about the 80's and 90's!, I'm talking about as recently as the 2010's! As fans that know the history of our program, we should expect (and insist!) that our team stays relevant. Having fans like you that are OK with the program sliding into mediocrity doesn't help the program. It only helps it slide more. It's not unrealistic to expect our team to uphold the traditions and history of our program. Like I said - we have the best fans in the nation - consistently in the top 3 in attendance, and our team plays in one of the best arena's in the country. "And so what you asking for really?" I think I've been pretty clear about what I want but since you obviously haven't been paying attention I will repeat myself: YES, I want our team to be talked about in the national conversation again and also ranked again on a consistent basis. Up until 2017 we only had one year where we missed the rankings and that was in the injury plagued 1992 year. We've been left out of the rankings 3 out of the last 4 years, COVID year excluded. From the looks of things (news coming out of the program) it will only get worse. By any metric, it's pretty clear to me that our program is headed in the wrong direction! With all that being said, it baffles me that people like you are OK with where our program is headed. Can you imagine a fan of any program that has won national championships and had a tradition of being perennially nationally ranked, be it football, baseball or whatever, being OK with their team sliding into mediocrity? So I ask you: knowing the history of our program, why are you OK with it?
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Post by HawaiiVB on May 21, 2022 0:09:12 GMT -5
Actually what is pathetic is that some Hawaii wahine fans have been utterly SPOILED with always winning over the years that you guys have unrealistic expectations. And when those unrealistic expectations aren't met....you guys would instantly want to 'throw the baby out with the bath water' so to speak. AhMow just won another BWC championship and lost in the round of 32 at Washington against Udub this season. Same team and during the same tournament even Shoji with his 42 years had a hard time doing because they got sent there so often. And so what you asking for really? What brings them out of mediocrity? Be ranked again? OK fine? What? Get past the round of 32? OK she did that 3 years back? What else you like? She has taken them to the tournament since she has taken over for Shoji. I swear some of you guys still live like you guys in the 80's early 90's. Why are we spoiled to expect our team to do what it's done in the recent past? and I'm NOT talking about the 80's and 90's!, I'm talking about as recently as the 2010's! As fans that know the history of our program, we should expect (and insist!) that our team stays relevant. Having fans like you that are OK with the program sliding into mediocrity doesn't help the program. It only helps it slide more. It's not unrealistic to expect our team to uphold the traditions and history of our program. Like I said - we have the best fans in the nation - consistently in the top 3 in attendance, and our team plays in one of the best arena's in the country. "And so what you asking for really?" I think I've been pretty clear about what I want but since you obviously haven't been paying attention I will repeat myself: YES, I want our team to be talked about in the national conversation again and also ranked again on a consistent basis. Up until 2017 we only had one year where we missed the rankings and that was in the injury plagued 1992 year. We've been left out of the rankings 3 out of the last 4 years, COVID year excluded. From the looks of things (news coming out of the program) it will only get worse. By any metric, it's pretty clear to me that our program is headed in the wrong direction! With all that being said, it baffles me that people like you are OK with where our program is headed. Can you imagine a fan of any program that has won national championships and had a tradition of being perennially nationally ranked, be it football, baseball or whatever, being OK with their team sliding into mediocrity? So I ask you: knowing the history of our program, why are you OK with it? And with all your insight (and all the other loloheads) about what makes a winning team. What can you do about it? Let's see, be toxic with snide and bullying comments. If you ever talked to any of the aunties, you will understand what being a true fan of UH is. It's not the only way, but if you can't make a lei, you could be a fan who purchases season tickets, you could be a fan that joins a team's booster club, you could join Koa Anuenue and donate your time to volunteer when the teams need help. But if you ever talked to one of the aunties, you would understand what a fan is of UH sports. They will always have nice words to say even when you lost, they will encourage you to do your best, even if you had a bad match, and they will thank you for all your hard work. Then they will give you a lei and sometimes a hug, that they made themselves, even to the opponents. They understand that the students are young adults who may be dealing with a lot and being kind and generous will help them get through it. Some of the so-called "fans" on here are like fanemies, they spew toxic negativity and say the most insane theories that any sane person knows will never happen. And instead of providing support, encouragement, gratitude, or even constructive realistic criticism, all you see here is, UH sucks, so let's replace the coach, or why are players leaving? okay, then it must be UH sucks. Hawai'i is what Hawai'i is. I can guarantee you that UH is doing as much as it can to be successful. Anything more is not reality. It's not helpful with toxic fans, it just makes you look really ignorant and foolish.
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Post by hapaguy on May 21, 2022 0:33:42 GMT -5
Why are we spoiled to expect our team to do what it's done in the recent past? and I'm NOT talking about the 80's and 90's!, I'm talking about as recently as the 2010's! As fans that know the history of our program, we should expect (and insist!) that our team stays relevant. Having fans like you that are OK with the program sliding into mediocrity doesn't help the program. It only helps it slide more. It's not unrealistic to expect our team to uphold the traditions and history of our program. Like I said - we have the best fans in the nation - consistently in the top 3 in attendance, and our team plays in one of the best arena's in the country. "And so what you asking for really?" I think I've been pretty clear about what I want but since you obviously haven't been paying attention I will repeat myself: YES, I want our team to be talked about in the national conversation again and also ranked again on a consistent basis. Up until 2017 we only had one year where we missed the rankings and that was in the injury plagued 1992 year. We've been left out of the rankings 3 out of the last 4 years, COVID year excluded. From the looks of things (news coming out of the program) it will only get worse. By any metric, it's pretty clear to me that our program is headed in the wrong direction! With all that being said, it baffles me that people like you are OK with where our program is headed. Can you imagine a fan of any program that has won national championships and had a tradition of being perennially nationally ranked, be it football, baseball or whatever, being OK with their team sliding into mediocrity? So I ask you: knowing the history of our program, why are you OK with it? And with all your insight (and all the other loloheads) about what makes a winning team. What can you do about it? Let's see, be toxic with snide and bullying comments. If you ever talked to any of the aunties, you will understand what being a true fan of UH is. It's not the only way, but if you can't make a lei, you could be a fan who purchases season tickets, you could be a fan that joins a team's booster club, you could join Koa Anuenue and donate your time to volunteer when the teams need help. But if you ever talked to one of the aunties, you would understand what a fan is of UH sports. They will always have nice words to say even when you lost, they will encourage you to do your best, even if you had a bad match, and they will thank you for all your hard work. Then they will give you a lei and sometimes a hug, that they made themselves, even to the opponents. They understand that the students are young adults who may be dealing with a lot and being kind and generous will help them get through it. Some of the so-called "fans" on here are like fanemies, they spew toxic negativity and say the most insane theories that any sane person knows will never happen. And instead of providing support, encouragement, gratitude, or even constructive realistic criticism, all you see here is, UH sucks, so let's replace the coach, or why are players leaving? okay, then it must be UH sucks. Hawai'i is what Hawai'i is. I can guarantee you that UH is doing as much as it can to be successful. Anything more is not reality. It's not helpful with toxic fans, it just makes you look really ignorant and foolish. "What can you do about it?" Not much other than donate $$$ to the program and also donate computer equipment to the athletic department as I used to own a computer store in town, and donate my time. I was previously on the Booster Club Board of Directors for 5 years back in the early 2000's. I've also been a fan since I came back home from going college and after working on the mainland in 1987 (Klum Gym days) and have been a lower bowl season ticket holder since the Stan Sheriff Center opened. Since you seem intent on making this a pissing contest about who is a better "fan", what have you done for the program?
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on May 21, 2022 0:49:56 GMT -5
Hapa Karen and his self-importance. 😂
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Post by hapaguy on May 21, 2022 1:00:26 GMT -5
Hapa Karen and his self-importance. 😂 HVB asked a question and I answered it. Try to keep up BIK....
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Post by soljah808 on May 21, 2022 1:10:59 GMT -5
Hapa Karen and his self-importance. 😂 Rotflmao No wonder I kept my ass on the men's board. Some of these peeps have gone pupule on this side of VT! Yikes.
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Post by soljah808 on May 21, 2022 1:12:33 GMT -5
Actually what is pathetic is that some Hawaii wahine fans have been utterly SPOILED with always winning over the years that you guys have unrealistic expectations. And when those unrealistic expectations aren't met....you guys would instantly want to 'throw the baby out with the bath water' so to speak. AhMow just won another BWC championship and lost in the round of 32 at Washington against Udub this season. Same team and during the same tournament even Shoji with his 42 years had a hard time doing because they got sent there so often. And so what you asking for really? What brings them out of mediocrity? Be ranked again? OK fine? What? Get past the round of 32? OK she did that 3 years back? What else you like? She has taken them to the tournament since she has taken over for Shoji. I swear some of you guys still live like you guys in the 80's early 90's. Why are we spoiled to expect our team to do what it's done in the recent past? and I'm NOT talking about the 80's and 90's!, I'm talking about as recently as the 2010's! As fans that know the history of our program, we should expect (and insist!) that our team stays relevant. Having fans like you that are OK with the program sliding into mediocrity doesn't help the program. It only helps it slide more. It's not unrealistic to expect our team to uphold the traditions and history of our program. Like I said - we have the best fans in the nation - consistently in the top 3 in attendance, and our team plays in one of the best arena's in the country. "And so what you asking for really?" I think I've been pretty clear about what I want but since you obviously haven't been paying attention I will repeat myself: YES, I want our team to be talked about in the national conversation again and also ranked again on a consistent basis. Up until 2017 we only had one year where we missed the rankings and that was in the injury plagued 1992 year. We've been left out of the rankings 3 out of the last 4 years, COVID year excluded. From the looks of things (news coming out of the program) it will only get worse. By any metric, it's pretty clear to me that our program is headed in the wrong direction! With all that being said, it baffles me that people like you are OK with where our program is headed. Can you imagine a fan of any program that has won national championships and had a tradition of being perennially nationally ranked, be it football, baseball or whatever, being OK with their team sliding into mediocrity? So I ask you: knowing the history of our program, why are you OK with it? There you go again with National Championships.....from the 80's! I thought you said you not stuck there? BTW you continually talk about traditions. What traditions besides us not being ranked is Coach Rob not fulfilling? I haven't been paying attention because you are not RELEVANT in my world. Sorry if that burst your bubble. Here's a bright idea....how about we fire Coach Rob and hire this brilliant man right here! I'm sure he could lead us the way to relevancy! GO gettum big dog!👍
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