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Post by staticb on Jan 9, 2022 14:58:14 GMT -5
Can we review the landscape? I don't think any of the coaches at the top 10 programs are going to take this job. Who are the best available candidates who might take the job? With either head coaching experience, or assistant coaching well prepared under good leaders at decent programs? My feeling is leadership skills and volleyball knowledge are more important than a tie to the program. You may disagree. You absolutely need a good recruiter. Find assistants who can do X's and O's. Penn State, from a program standpoint is the same or worse to recruit to than a Nebraska, Wisconsin, Minnesota, etc. You need someone can bring in talent. Someone like the NC State guy would have been perfect.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jan 9, 2022 15:13:19 GMT -5
Can we review the landscape? I don't think any of the coaches at the top 10 programs are going to take this job. Who are the best available candidates who might take the job? With either head coaching experience, or assistant coaching well prepared under good leaders at decent programs? My feeling is leadership skills and volleyball knowledge are more important than a tie to the program. You may disagree. You absolutely need a good recruiter. Find assistants who can do X's and O's. Penn State, from a program standpoint is the same or worse to recruit to than a Nebraska, Wisconsin, Minnesota, etc. You need someone can bring in talent. Someone like the NC State guy would have been perfect. NC State guy was so good you couldn’t recall his name? Lol Name recognition is important in recruiting
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Post by volleyaudience on Jan 9, 2022 16:41:17 GMT -5
A source telling you something that was true at the time, but then the situation changed, did not "lie" unless the source is clairvoyant. Agreed. We've lost the ability to separate fact from opinion. If the PSU deal is not signed, saying "It's a done deal" is not true. In the article above, the news agency asked: "Is there an agreement to sell the company?" The answer: "No" was true. They were in negotiations, not in agreement, and under a legal agreement to not discuss negotiations. The news agency didn't ask the right questions.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jan 9, 2022 16:45:07 GMT -5
A source telling you something that was true at the time, but then the situation changed, did not "lie" unless the source is clairvoyant. Agreed. We've lost the ability to separate fact from opinion. If the PSU deal is not signed, saying "It's a done deal" is not true. In the article above, the news agency asked: "Is there an agreement to sell the company?" The answer: "No" was true. They were in negotiations and under a legal agreement to not discuss negotiations. The news agency didn't ask the right questions. To be fair, to anyone who was close to the situation, including fisher himself, all thought it was a done deal. Things change, and sure maybe should of waited till all the Is were dotted and Ts were crossed, but that’s besides the point. No one in this thread posted false information
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Post by Wiswell on Jan 9, 2022 16:45:46 GMT -5
If you had two choices, and those choices were Miller at Ball State or making Katie at PSU permanent, what would you choose?
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jan 9, 2022 16:49:38 GMT -5
Agreed. We've lost the ability to separate fact from opinion. If the PSU deal is not signed, saying "It's a done deal" is not true. In the article above, the news agency asked: "Is there an agreement to sell the company?" The answer: "No" was true. They were in negotiations and under a legal agreement to not discuss negotiations. The news agency didn't ask the right questions. To be fair, to anyone who was close to the situation, including fisher himself, all thought it was a done deal. Things change, and sure maybe should of waited till all the Is were dotted and Ts were crossed, but that’s besides the point. No one in this thread posted false information What I take issue with is the use of the word “lying or liar or lies” the poster didn’t knowingly post information he knew to be false and I’m sure neither did his source. He was wrong, that’s it.
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Post by justahick on Jan 9, 2022 17:27:46 GMT -5
To be fair, to anyone who was close to the situation, including fisher himself, all thought it was a done deal. Things change, and sure maybe should of waited till all the Is were dotted and Ts were crossed, but that’s besides the point. No one in this thread posted false information What I take issue with is the use of the word “lying or liar or lies” the poster didn’t knowingly post information he knew to be false and I’m sure neither did his source. He was wrong, that’s it. If someone posted that they "know" something or imply they know something (eg "the deal is done" implys (I know "the deal is done"), when in fact they didn't know then they lied. If they said, I've been told that that a deal was signed, then they were lied to. People can Post what they know, post what they suspect, what they've been told, or what they are guessing - they should be clear about the degree of belief they have.
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Post by Wiswell on Jan 9, 2022 17:52:44 GMT -5
It's comical the level of outrage people have when the information from an unofficial source appears to be wrong. This isn't Watergate, people.
The reason why Pitt put out that presser was because they knew how close this was to be reality and this was the way of ending that discussion. We were getting our information in real time all along.
You'd be mad if nobody gave hints either. Sheesh.
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Post by knapplc on Jan 9, 2022 18:00:06 GMT -5
This is interesting. It sounds like Penn State might have more in common with Florida State and Miami football and UCLA basketball than I realized. One of my deepest fears for Penn State football is for us to become another has-been former blue blood like Miami or Nebraska. Those teams are cautionary tales right now for how far they've fallen. Miami maybe made a good hire with Cristobal; but they also thought that with Diaz. Frost has done nothing at Nebraska despite coming home to much fanfare. And Florida State... holy crap. They know no lows low enough. I did not know this. Apparently, said rich alum is the owner of the Buffalo Sabres and Buffalo Bills and donated over $100 million to the project. Yup. And because our Athletic Department is so bad at fundraising we keep trying to go back to that well again. From what I understand, Pegula is so pissed at the athletic department that he basically will not donate anything more until there's new leadership. And even then I am not sure if he will because he's got enough on his plate dealing with the Bills and the Sabres. Plus, ya know, the shale oil boom ain't what it used to be... You know it. I wouldn't wish this football purgatory on anyone. Pray your team never ends up here.
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Post by dizzydean on Jan 9, 2022 19:21:22 GMT -5
If you had two choices, and those choices were Miller at Ball State or making Katie at PSU permanent, what would you choose? The former.
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Post by jagdpanther on Jan 9, 2022 21:10:16 GMT -5
It's comical the level of outrage people have when the information from an unofficial source appears to be wrong. This isn't Watergate, people. The reason why Pitt put out that presser was because they knew how close this was to be reality and this was the way of ending that discussion. We were getting our information in real time all along. You'd be mad if nobody gave hints either. Sheesh. Eh... that Pitt put that out so fast makes me think Fisher was never coming here in the first place. That doesn't get thrown together unless Fisher is working Pitt well before then.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jan 9, 2022 21:13:50 GMT -5
It's comical the level of outrage people have when the information from an unofficial source appears to be wrong. This isn't Watergate, people. The reason why Pitt put out that presser was because they knew how close this was to be reality and this was the way of ending that discussion. We were getting our information in real time all along. You'd be mad if nobody gave hints either. Sheesh. Eh... that Pitt put that out so fast makes me think Fisher was never coming here in the first place. That doesn't get thrown together unless Fisher is working Pitt well before then. That’s not true, it happens like that all of the time in big time sports. It most definitely can be put together that quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2022 21:14:42 GMT -5
It's comical the level of outrage people have when the information from an unofficial source appears to be wrong. This isn't Watergate, people. The reason why Pitt put out that presser was because they knew how close this was to be reality and this was the way of ending that discussion. We were getting our information in real time all along. You'd be mad if nobody gave hints either. Sheesh. Eh... that Pitt put that out so fast makes me think Fisher was never coming here in the first place. That doesn't get thrown together unless Fisher is working Pitt well before then. this is completely wrong lol. It was a one year extension
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 9, 2022 21:39:45 GMT -5
Eh... that Pitt put that out so fast makes me think Fisher was never coming here in the first place. That doesn't get thrown together unless Fisher is working Pitt well before then. That’s not true, it happens like that all of the time in big time sports. It most definitely can be put together that quickly. Yeah, look how quickly Oklahoma hired Brent Venables or Notre Dame promoted Marcus Freeman after their coaches got poached.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jan 9, 2022 21:50:31 GMT -5
That’s not true, it happens like that all of the time in big time sports. It most definitely can be put together that quickly. Yeah, look how quickly Oklahoma hired Brent Venables or Notre Dame promoted Marcus Freeman after their coaches got poached. They added a year to his contract and paid him more money. Doesn’t exactly take a lot of time or work. Obviously as he was discussing job with PSU, Pitt have been working to keep him. Standard stuff
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