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Post by stanfordvb on Jan 2, 2022 20:03:12 GMT -5
Pretty much every libero on a top international team is extremely good out of system setting. You can only be so good at it ya know? At that level they are all very good at putting up more than hittable balls to the pins. While jwo is very good at out of system setting, it’s hard to not be really good at that when ur at that level bc it’s really not a very difficult skill lol you've called both passing and setting easy skills now in the past few days. Volleyball must come naturally to you xD Setting and out of system setting are wildly different. I never said setting was easy. I’ve played a lot and been around a very high level for some time and I do not think bump setting a ball from 10-15 feet off the net is very hard at all, especially for someone who’s at the highest level. If a libero is playing pro and can’t bump set a ball into a 5 foot window of space, they shouldn’t be at that level. |
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Post by jwvolley on Jan 2, 2022 20:09:05 GMT -5
JWO was also exception setting OOS. Is Fleck as talented in this department? I haven't watched enough of her. from what I've seen Fleck is a very good setter with both hands and platform. dont wanna compare her directly to Justine though because they're playing at different levels. she dedicates like 2 minutes to setting in this highlight reel lmao @ the passing portion. It's borderline obnoxious how many balls she steals haha |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jan 2, 2022 20:10:29 GMT -5
*elite liberos should be able to bump set* Ayca Aykac:  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 20:10:39 GMT -5
from what I've seen Fleck is a very good setter with both hands and platform. dont wanna compare her directly to Justine though because they're playing at different levels. she dedicates like 2 minutes to setting in this highlight reel lmao @ the passing portion. It's borderline obnoxious how many balls she steals haha this. Some people also were pointing how she was getting aced a lot against Wisconsin and USC but you have to realize she’s literally almost taking balls off peoples platforms for them and that’s gonna come with some rough patches but she handles it excellently |
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Post by basil on Jan 2, 2022 20:12:19 GMT -5
*elite liberos should be able to bump set* Ayca Aykac: I mean I didn't wanna name names but- unfortunate |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 20:13:06 GMT -5
*elite liberos should be able to bump set* Ayca Aykac: Popović also in shambles |
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Post by basil on Jan 2, 2022 20:15:42 GMT -5
*elite liberos should be able to bump set* Ayca Aykac: Popović also in shambles the Polish bro also comes to mind for some reason but I also remember thinking she was decent so idk |
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Post by SportyBucky on Jan 2, 2022 20:20:34 GMT -5
She belonged. She hot for a high percentage and blocking was not top but close. I don't care to pull stats but have before and she more than held her own. that's all fun and games in the NCAA. She can hit over Madi Kubik all she wants... but that doesn't fly in Europe. that's my point. Her serve hasn't improved at all... it goes under the net just as much as it goes over. She's not faster to the pins... she's defended NCAA speed instead of elite speed. anyways... this is derailing lol Perhaps (certainly) you are unable to keep up. She played against top international competition at VNL and her stats were pretty comparable to experienced middles. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 20:20:56 GMT -5
the Polish bro also comes to mind for some reason but I also remember thinking she was decent so idk well popović isn’t the absolute worst. She sets D balls well |
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Post by stanfordvb on Jan 2, 2022 20:21:36 GMT -5
*elite liberos should be able to bump set* Ayca Aykac: This made me laugh. In all seriousness all I’m trying to say is that I don’t think an Olympian libero should be applauded for her bump setting high balls a couple feet off the net, there is much tougher things liberos have to do and being a good out of system setter should be the bare minimum for a libero who is striving to be the best in the world at what they do. |
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Post by donut on Jan 2, 2022 20:33:31 GMT -5
that's all fun and games in the NCAA. She can hit over Madi Kubik all she wants... but that doesn't fly in Europe. that's my point. Her serve hasn't improved at all... it goes under the net just as much as it goes over. She's not faster to the pins... she's defended NCAA speed instead of elite speed. anyways... this is derailing lol Perhaps (certainly) you are unable to keep up. She played against top international competition at VNL and her stats were pretty comparable to experienced middles. TIL I learned Germany, Belgium, Bulgaria and Serbia's B-Team are top international competition. Best competition she faced was the Dominican Republic. She got 2 blocks in 5 sets. Her weakness in closing the block was literally glaring in the 2019 VNL, to suggest otherwise is transparently biased. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jan 2, 2022 20:39:29 GMT -5
that's all fun and games in the NCAA. She can hit over Madi Kubik all she wants... but that doesn't fly in Europe. that's my point. Her serve hasn't improved at all... it goes under the net just as much as it goes over. She's not faster to the pins... she's defended NCAA speed instead of elite speed. anyways... this is derailing lol Perhaps (certainly) you are unable to keep up. She played against top international competition at VNL and her stats were pretty comparable to experienced middles. yes... i am very unable to keep up... against *check notes*... such mighty competition. im not taking anything away from Dana... she's going to be a great player... but refusing to acknowledge that her serve has digressed incredibly since 2019 is wrong as is assuming she's going to keep pace with the elite players with her current experience... that stuff takes time. Look at Chiaka and Haleigh |
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Post by basil on Jan 2, 2022 20:44:39 GMT -5
Perhaps (certainly) you are unable to keep up. She played against top international competition at VNL and her stats were pretty comparable to experienced middles. yes... i am very unable to keep up... against *check notes*... such mighty competition. im not taking anything away from Dana... she's going to be a great player... but refusing to acknowledge that her serve has digressed incredibly since 2019 is wrong as is assuming she's going to keep pace with the elite players with her current experience... that stuff takes time. Look at Chiaka and Haleighjust like to drop in and point out that Chi was getting serves in against Imoco. Never been prouder lmao |
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Post by agean09 on Jan 2, 2022 21:12:05 GMT -5
JWO was also exception setting OOS. Is Fleck as talented in this department? I haven't watched enough of her. Pretty much every libero on a top international team is extremely good out of system setting. You can only be so good at it ya know? At that level they are all very good at putting up more than hittable balls to the pins. While jwo is very good at out of system setting, it’s hard to not be really good at that when ur at that level bc it’s really not a very difficult skill But can they all give the middle a shoot bump-set like De Gennaro? lol. Love it every time she tries that. |
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Post by stanfordvb on Jan 2, 2022 21:15:36 GMT -5
Pretty much every libero on a top international team is extremely good out of system setting. You can only be so good at it ya know? At that level they are all very good at putting up more than hittable balls to the pins. While jwo is very good at out of system setting, it’s hard to not be really good at that when ur at that level bc it’s really not a very difficult skill But can they all give the middle a shoot bump-set like De Gennaro? lol. Love it every time she tries that. She’s definitely an exception. Running bump set shoots to the outside with her back facing them. No one else is doing that |
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