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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 14:12:24 GMT -5
The conference would be assisting other teams at Hawaii’s expense. Hawaii would have gotten in to the NCAA’s even if UCSB won the Conference this year. I don’t see any benefit to Hawaii. And having an additional week of travel (or extended travel) to play in a conference tournament is useless to Hawaii. Also, from a revenue and excitement standpoint, it wouldn’t make sense to hold the tournament anywhere else but Hawaii. Seeing the other Big West venues outside of Hawaii and maybe the Beach was sad. |
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 27, 2022 14:12:35 GMT -5
I’m not in favor of a conference tournament, especially if Hawaii has to sacrifice a non conference week to fit in tournament play. A conference tournament only benefits the other Big West teams. It’s a terrible idea. lol, without a conf tournament, Hawaii 'sacrificied' a week anyway not being able to get anybody to come to Hawaii the 4th week of non-conf. that last week of non-conf has been brutal for Big West teams to schedule as it is, and will likely get worse it's probably a bigger issue in 'sacrifice' for the LA teams that actually have a shot at hosting non-conference and getting some good Pac-12/WCC match-ups as oppossed to Hawaii. Beach & IRvine probably have the most to lose in terms of non-conference scheduling flexibility with a BWCT tournament the devil is in the details. would hope it is no more than 6 teams max. hosted by the #1 seed would be my preference. they may rotate sites, in which case I would think like MVB, Hawaii would host every 3 years, or at least once every 4. a conf tournament increases the odds for additional teams to get a bids. Now if one just assumes the Big West is stuck' as a one bid conference, then yeah don't bother. I would think to be more optimistic and a conf tournament would help, and in line with Beach VB, and MVB in the Big West, both which are tremendous tournaments four teams, or at most 6 with two byes for the top two seeds would be fine, and counteract the RPI drag from the overall conference. the difficulty with WVB is the last week with T-Giving, not being ideal. The Conference can start with matches this year a four team tourney would have been Beach, Poly, SB, Hawaii - and even if Hawaii had lost, they would have made the tourney, so hard to see how a BWCT would have hurt anybody, it would have helped the conference I'm ambivalent either way. There's likely to be a scenario where a #1 seed gets knocked out of berth at some point, reality and statistics. if it's not the site of the #1 hosts, I simply don't like holding it in Hawaii even on a rotating basis, because it's simply prohibitive for any team from Hawaii to have fan support, due to that uniqueness. But I get the realities if the Big West goes that route. If they can hold it Sun-Tues before thanksgivoing, IMO that would be the best scenarios Translation, please. |
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Post by noblesol on Nov 27, 2022 14:14:59 GMT -5
lol, without a conf tournament, Hawaii 'sacrificied' a week anyway not being able to get anybody to come to Hawaii the 4th week of non-conf. that last week of non-conf has been brutal for Big West teams to schedule as it is, and will likely get worse it's probably a bigger issue in 'sacrifice' for the LA teams that actually have a shot at hosting non-conference and getting some good Pac-12/WCC match-ups as oppossed to Hawaii. Beach & IRvine probably have the most to lose in terms of non-conference scheduling flexibility with a BWCT tournament the devil is in the details. would hope it is no more than 6 teams max. hosted by the #1 seed would be my preference. they may rotate sites, in which case I would think like MVB, Hawaii would host every 3 years, or at least once every 4. a conf tournament increases the odds for additional teams to get a bids. Now if one just assumes the Big West is stuck' as a one bid conference, then yeah don't bother. I would think to be more optimistic and a conf tournament would help, and in line with Beach VB, and MVB in the Big West, both which are tremendous tournaments four teams, or at most 6 with two byes for the top two seeds would be fine, and counteract the RPI drag from the overall conference. the difficulty with WVB is the last week with T-Giving, not being ideal. The Conference can start with matches this year a four team tourney would have been Beach, Poly, SB, Hawaii - and even if Hawaii had lost, they would have made the tourney, so hard to see how a BWCT would have hurt anybody, it would have helped the conference I'm ambivalent either way. There's likely to be a scenario where a #1 seed gets knocked out of berth at some point, reality and statistics. if it's not the site of the #1 hosts, I simply don't like holding it in Hawaii even on a rotating basis, because it's simply prohibitive for any team from Hawaii to have fan support, due to that uniqueness. But I get the realities if the Big West goes that route. If they can hold it Sun-Tues before thanksgivoing, IMO that would be the best scenarios Translation, please. If the devil's details back the Beach, then ok. |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 27, 2022 14:15:51 GMT -5
I’m not in favor of a conference tournament, especially if Hawaii has to sacrifice a non conference week to fit in tournament play. A conference tournament only benefits the other Big West teams. It’s a terrible idea. lol, without a conf tournament, Hawaii 'sacrificied' a week anyway not being able to get anybody to come to Hawaii the 4th week of non-conf. that last week of non-conf has been brutal for Big West teams to schedule as it is, and will likely get worse it's probably a bigger issue in 'sacrifice' for the LA teams that actually have a shot at hosting non-conference and getting some good Pac-12/WCC match-ups as oppossed to Hawaii. Beach & IRvine probably have the most to lose in terms of non-conference scheduling flexibility with a BWCT tournament the devil is in the details. would hope it is no more than 6 teams max. hosted by the #1 seed would be my preference. they may rotate sites, in which case I would think like MVB, Hawaii would host every 3 years, or at least once every 4. a conf tournament increases the odds for additional teams to get a bids. Now if one just assumes the Big West is stuck' as a one bid conference, then yeah don't bother. I would think to be more optimistic and a conf tournament would help, and in line with Beach VB, and MVB in the Big West, both which are tremendous tournaments four teams, or at most 6 with two byes for the top two seeds would be fine, and counteract the RPI drag from the overall conference. the difficulty with WVB is the last week with T-Giving, not being ideal. The Conference can start with matches this year a four team tourney would have been Beach, Poly, SB, Hawaii - and even if Hawaii had lost, they would have made the tourney, so hard to see how a BWCT would have hurt anybody, it would have helped the conference I'm ambivalent either way. There's likely to be a scenario where a #1 seed gets knocked out of berth at some point, reality and statistics. if it's not the site of the #1 hosts, I simply don't like holding it in Hawaii even on a rotating basis, because it's simply prohibitive for any team from Hawaii to have fan support, due to that uniqueness. But I get the realities if the Big West goes that route. If they can hold it Sun-Tues before thanksgivoing, IMO that would be the best scenarios Have you seen the RPI’s of the Big West teams? no non conference team is going to schedule a poor RPI Big West team at the end of the season. And I was talking about Hawaii missing a pre conference weekend to add a worthless post conference tournament that benefits other Big West teams. A tournament is no benefit to Hawaii so the Big West trying to push this worthless idea instead of supporting its stalwart program is ludicrous. Hawaii returns all starters and will be even better next season. How does a conference tournament benefit them? |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 27, 2022 14:19:12 GMT -5
I’m not in favor of a conference tournament, especially if Hawaii has to sacrifice a non conference week to fit it in tournament play. A conference tournament only benefits the other Big West teams. It’s a terrible idea. Yeah a conference tournament just seems like overkill with a 20 match conference schedule. But the pro is that it may help the Big West get more teams to the tournament. I still still think the better route for the Big West is for the top teams to beef up their RPI with a strong non-conference schedule and performance ala 2019. A conference tournament might sneak in a team who wouldn’t have a chance to make the tournament but what would they do with that chance? Better to actually start beating higher quality RPI opponents and bring those higher RPI points into the regular conference season. The Beach greatly improved this season and I really like Tyler. Unsurprisingly, when his team’s fate was sealed a few weekends before this he and his staff had to find ways to keep the team looking forward and motivated. Without any Hail Mary chance to make the postseason, I could see why his clamoring for a conference tournament seemed to increase. I don’t think we’d see Robyn making the sentiments he made if her team was in danger. She actually didn’t back in 2018 when there was a strong possibility that they wouldn’t make it. Not ripping on Tyler and Co for wanting a conference tournament just saying that I think there is a better way for the Big West to get more bids than playing each other again after such a long regular season. well, the top 4 teams did schedule adequately for RPI, they just didn't win enough this year in non-conf. as to Tyler's sentiments, that's a silly reaction about his 'motives' - again if you look at MVB and Beach VB, which are tremendous events, Women's VB makes sense fo the conference. yes you actually are ripping on Tyler by creating motives in your mind and it was a not-so-subtle putdown that you are simply spectulatively creating in your mind. A BWCT has been a goal of his from the moment he took the job. I'm ambivalent, I can see the pros and cons. If they don't have it, ok. I think for Beach, Beach has the most to lose (my opinion) in terms of non-conference scheduling flexibility, if you look at how Beach has scheduled over the years and proximitry considerations and Beach typically getting really good match-ups that 4 the week of non-conf (historically Beach can get San Diego, LMU, UCLA scheduled that last week). That last week of non-conference is typically brutal for Hawaii to schedule teams to come to Hawaii, so IMO they don't lose much flexibility. in the end, holding a tournament has to be for publicity for the conference, yeah, if it's limited to the top 4-6 teams, it'll help RPI (a bit). |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 27, 2022 14:21:11 GMT -5
If the devil's details back the Beach, then ok. it actually doesn't back the Beach. |
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Post by noblesol on Nov 27, 2022 14:22:13 GMT -5
Yeah a conference tournament just seems like overkill with a 20 match conference schedule. But the pro is that it may help the Big West get more teams to the tournament. I still still think the better route for the Big West is for the top teams to beef up their RPI with a strong non-conference schedule and performance ala 2019. A conference tournament might sneak in a team who wouldn’t have a chance to make the tournament but what would they do with that chance? Better to actually start beating higher quality RPI opponents and bring those higher RPI points into the regular conference season. The Beach greatly improved this season and I really like Tyler. Unsurprisingly, when his team’s fate was sealed a few weekends before this he and his staff had to find ways to keep the team looking forward and motivated. Without any Hail Mary chance to make the postseason, I could see why his clamoring for a conference tournament seemed to increase. I don’t think we’d see Robyn making the sentiments he made if her team was in danger. She actually didn’t back in 2018 when there was a strong possibility that they wouldn’t make it. Not ripping on Tyler and Co for wanting a conference tournament just saying that I think there is a better way for the Big West to get more bids than playing each other again after such a long regular season. well, the top 4 teams did schedule adequately for RPI, they just didn't win enough this year in non-conf. as to Tyler's sentiments, that's a silly reaction about his 'motives' - again if you look at MVB and Beach VB, which are tremendous events, Women's VB makes sense fo the conference. yes you actually are ripping on Tyler by creating motives in your mind and it was a not-so-subtle putdown that you are simply spectulatively creating in your mind. A BWCT has been a goal of his from the moment he took the job. I'm ambivalent, I can see the pros and cons. If they don't have it, ok. I think for Beach, Beach has the most to lose (my opinion) in terms of non-conference scheduling flexibility, if you look at how Beach has scheduled over the years and proximitry considerations and Beach typically getting really good match-ups that 4 the week of non-conf (historically Beach can get San Diego, LMU, UCLA scheduled that last week). That last week of non-conference is typically brutal for Hawaii to schedule teams to come to Hawaii, so IMO they don't lose much flexibility. in the end, holding a tournament has to be for publicity for the conference, yeah, if it's limited to the top 4-6 teams, it'll help RPI (a bit). W/o details, agreed, ambivalent. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 27, 2022 14:23:10 GMT -5
lol, without a conf tournament, Hawaii 'sacrificied' a week anyway not being able to get anybody to come to Hawaii the 4th week of non-conf. that last week of non-conf has been brutal for Big West teams to schedule as it is, and will likely get worse it's probably a bigger issue in 'sacrifice' for the LA teams that actually have a shot at hosting non-conference and getting some good Pac-12/WCC match-ups as oppossed to Hawaii. Beach & IRvine probably have the most to lose in terms of non-conference scheduling flexibility with a BWCT tournament the devil is in the details. would hope it is no more than 6 teams max. hosted by the #1 seed would be my preference. they may rotate sites, in which case I would think like MVB, Hawaii would host every 3 years, or at least once every 4. a conf tournament increases the odds for additional teams to get a bids. Now if one just assumes the Big West is stuck' as a one bid conference, then yeah don't bother. I would think to be more optimistic and a conf tournament would help, and in line with Beach VB, and MVB in the Big West, both which are tremendous tournaments four teams, or at most 6 with two byes for the top two seeds would be fine, and counteract the RPI drag from the overall conference. the difficulty with WVB is the last week with T-Giving, not being ideal. The Conference can start with matches this year a four team tourney would have been Beach, Poly, SB, Hawaii - and even if Hawaii had lost, they would have made the tourney, so hard to see how a BWCT would have hurt anybody, it would have helped the conference I'm ambivalent either way. There's likely to be a scenario where a #1 seed gets knocked out of berth at some point, reality and statistics. if it's not the site of the #1 hosts, I simply don't like holding it in Hawaii even on a rotating basis, because it's simply prohibitive for any team from Hawaii to have fan support, due to that uniqueness. But I get the realities if the Big West goes that route. If they can hold it Sun-Tues before thanksgivoing, IMO that would be the best scenarios Have you see the RPI’s of the Big West teams, no non conference team is going to schedule a poor RPI team at the end of the season. And I was talking about Hawaii missing a pre conference weekend to add a worthless post conference tournament that benefits other Big West teams. A tournament is no benefit to Hawaii so the Big West trying to push this worthless idea instead of supporting its stalwart program is ludicrous. Hawaii returns all starters and will be even better next season. How does a conference tournament benefit them? sheesh, it's not about Hawaii missing a pre-conference touranment. It would only affect the LAST non-conf weekend possibly, which is not a very good weekend for Hawaii to schedule anyway. |
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 27, 2022 14:23:27 GMT -5
lol, without a conf tournament, Hawaii 'sacrificied' a week anyway not being able to get anybody to come to Hawaii the 4th week of non-conf. that last week of non-conf has been brutal for Big West teams to schedule as it is, and will likely get worse it's probably a bigger issue in 'sacrifice' for the LA teams that actually have a shot at hosting non-conference and getting some good Pac-12/WCC match-ups as oppossed to Hawaii. Beach & IRvine probably have the most to lose in terms of non-conference scheduling flexibility with a BWCT tournament the devil is in the details. would hope it is no more than 6 teams max. hosted by the #1 seed would be my preference. they may rotate sites, in which case I would think like MVB, Hawaii would host every 3 years, or at least once every 4. a conf tournament increases the odds for additional teams to get a bids. Now if one just assumes the Big West is stuck' as a one bid conference, then yeah don't bother. I would think to be more optimistic and a conf tournament would help, and in line with Beach VB, and MVB in the Big West, both which are tremendous tournaments four teams, or at most 6 with two byes for the top two seeds would be fine, and counteract the RPI drag from the overall conference. the difficulty with WVB is the last week with T-Giving, not being ideal. The Conference can start with matches this year a four team tourney would have been Beach, Poly, SB, Hawaii - and even if Hawaii had lost, they would have made the tourney, so hard to see how a BWCT would have hurt anybody, it would have helped the conference I'm ambivalent either way. There's likely to be a scenario where a #1 seed gets knocked out of berth at some point, reality and statistics. if it's not the site of the #1 hosts, I simply don't like holding it in Hawaii even on a rotating basis, because it's simply prohibitive for any team from Hawaii to have fan support, due to that uniqueness. But I get the realities if the Big West goes that route. If they can hold it Sun-Tues before thanksgivoing, IMO that would be the best scenarios Have you see the RPI’s of the Big West teams, no non conference team is going to schedule a poor RPI team at the end of the season. And I was talking about Hawaii missing a pre conference weekend to add a worthless tournament that benefits other Big West teams. A tournament is no benefit tinHawaii so the Big West trying to push this worthless idea instead of supporting its stalwart program is ludicrous. Hey, that's just being selfish. lol Hawai'i would benefit just as much if more Big West teams had better RPI's and better SOS and out of conference wins. The most efficient way to deal with the problem is if the Big West had mandatory RPI scheduling training for all the AD's and Head Coaches in order to determine their schedules. Look at the teams that gamed the RPI this year, Auburn, Towson (although the did win a lot), etc. The Big West needs to look and learn, and cheat a little if necessary. lol |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 27, 2022 14:28:22 GMT -5
Have you see the RPI’s of the Big West teams, no non conference team is going to schedule a poor RPI team at the end of the season. And I was talking about Hawaii missing a pre conference weekend to add a worthless tournament that benefits other Big West teams. A tournament is no benefit tinHawaii so the Big West trying to push this worthless idea instead of supporting its stalwart program is ludicrous. Hey, that's just being selfish. lol Hawai'i would benefit just as much if more Big West teams had better RPI's and better SOS and out of conference wins. The most efficient way to deal with the problem is if the Big West had mandatory RPI scheduling training for all the AD's and Head Coaches in order to determine their schedules. Look at the teams that gamed the RPI this year, Auburn, Towson (although the did win a lot), etc. The Big West needs to look and learn, and cheat a little if necessary. lol lol, mandatory RPI scheduling training? seriously, the coaches need some useless training about a subject they are keenly aware of?? smh the fact is coaches in the bottom teams priority is to just WIN some games first of all, you might as well ask the coaches of the top 4 teams to control scheduling for the bottom six teams, lol. those bottom six teams are simply trying to get one to two more impact players and win games, and find a way to get people in the stands. their motives are to win, if they win, RPI will over time increase. easier said than done for them 'mandaory RPI Training' that would get laughed at by the coaches and ADs. why not mandatory 'winning matches' training! |
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Post by noblesol on Nov 27, 2022 14:28:35 GMT -5
Have you see the RPI’s of the Big West teams, no non conference team is going to schedule a poor RPI team at the end of the season. And I was talking about Hawaii missing a pre conference weekend to add a worthless tournament that benefits other Big West teams. A tournament is no benefit tinHawaii so the Big West trying to push this worthless idea instead of supporting its stalwart program is ludicrous. Hey, that's just being selfish. lol Hawai'i would benefit just as much if more Big West teams had better RPI's and better SOS and out of conference wins. The most efficient way to deal with the problem is if the Big West had mandatory RPI scheduling training for all the AD's and Head Coaches in order to determine their schedules. Look at the teams that gamed the RPI this year, Auburn, Towson (although the did win a lot), etc. The Big West needs to look and learn, and cheat a little if necessary. lol Dumping the UCR WVB program, would be a signficant improvement to the conference. RPI so bad, teams took the RPI penalty of one position if they lost to them, which was in addition to the RPI bomb every team in the conference takes in having to play them twice. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 14:29:44 GMT -5
Have you see the RPI’s of the Big West teams, no non conference team is going to schedule a poor RPI team at the end of the season. And I was talking about Hawaii missing a pre conference weekend to add a worthless tournament that benefits other Big West teams. A tournament is no benefit tinHawaii so the Big West trying to push this worthless idea instead of supporting its stalwart program is ludicrous. Hey, that's just being selfish. lol Hawai'i would benefit just as much if more Big West teams had better RPI's and better SOS and out of conference wins. The most efficient way to deal with the problem is if the Big West had mandatory RPI scheduling training for all the AD's and Head Coaches in order to determine their schedules. Look at the teams that gamed the RPI this year, Auburn, Towson (although the did win a lot), etc. The Big West needs to look and learn, and cheat a little if necessary. lol Yes! Game that RPI and raise the conference’s RPI as a whole. This is kind of what happened in 2019. Plus UH, UCSB and CP were just flat out good. For this season, I do believe that LBSU and UCSB are tournament caliber and it’s a shame they won’t get to try their hand at it. They just weren’t consistent enough to punch their tickets. |
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Nov 27, 2022 14:32:34 GMT -5
Have you see the RPI’s of the Big West teams, no non conference team is going to schedule a poor RPI team at the end of the season. And I was talking about Hawaii missing a pre conference weekend to add a worthless post conference tournament that benefits other Big West teams. A tournament is no benefit to Hawaii so the Big West trying to push this worthless idea instead of supporting its stalwart program is ludicrous. Hawaii returns all starters and will be even better next season. How does a conference tournament benefit them? sheesh, it's not about Hawaii missing a pre-conference touranment. It would only affect the LAST non-conf weekend possibly, which is not a very good weekend for Hawaii to schedule anyway. Even if that were the case, having a conference tournament on the continent is a detriment to Hawaii. Since they’re already traveling for the NCAA’s, why make them take an additional (or prolong an existing trip) just to have to beat other Big West teams one more time? What’s the incentive for Hawai’i? |
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 27, 2022 14:36:23 GMT -5
Hey, that's just being selfish. lol Hawai'i would benefit just as much if more Big West teams had better RPI's and better SOS and out of conference wins. The most efficient way to deal with the problem is if the Big West had mandatory RPI scheduling training for all the AD's and Head Coaches in order to determine their schedules. Look at the teams that gamed the RPI this year, Auburn, Towson (although the did win a lot), etc. The Big West needs to look and learn, and cheat a little if necessary. lol lol, mandatory RPI scheduling training? seriously, the coaches need some useless training about a subject they are keenly aware of?? smh the fact is coaches in the bottom teams priority is to just WIN some games first of all, you might as well ask the coaches of the top 4 teams to control scheduling for the bottom six teams, lol. those bottom six teams are simply trying to get one to two more impact players and win games, and find a way to get people in the stands. their motives are to win, if they win, RPI will over time increase. easier said than done for them 'mandaory RPI Training' that would get laughed at by the coaches and ADs. why not mandatory 'winning matches' training! Being keenly aware of RPI is not the same as understanding in detail how it works. The coaches are not putting together lists of good RPI teams to schedule and working from those, and they certainly are not coordinating with each other. If the Conference makes improving RPI scheduling up and down the conference a priority, it is a pretty straightforward process to put in place. |
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 27, 2022 14:40:08 GMT -5
Hey, that's just being selfish. lol Hawai'i would benefit just as much if more Big West teams had better RPI's and better SOS and out of conference wins. The most efficient way to deal with the problem is if the Big West had mandatory RPI scheduling training for all the AD's and Head Coaches in order to determine their schedules. Look at the teams that gamed the RPI this year, Auburn, Towson (although the did win a lot), etc. The Big West needs to look and learn, and cheat a little if necessary. lol Dumping the UCR WVB program, would be a signficant improvement to the conference. RPI so bad, teams took the RPI penalty of one position if they lost to them, which was in addition to the RPI bomb every team in the conference takes in having to play them twice. Someone has to be at the bottom, but there are plenty of teams in the nation that are worse (or can be worse) than UCR. |
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