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Post by wahinefan on Dec 9, 2022 16:18:46 GMT -5
Per BW twitter the conference will have a tournament starting next season. There will be 6 teams with the top two getting a first round bye. Did it say where they are going to hold this so called Conference Tournament. Imagine it would have to be held over the Thanksgiving Weekend, like Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday. This would also mean, the Conference season would start 1 week earlier. |
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Post by HawaiiVB on Dec 9, 2022 16:24:46 GMT -5
Not good for Hawaii next season, but 2024 and beyond I think it will be a good thing as teams usually get stronger as the season goes and Hawaii will be having a lot of new players in 2024 and all our seniors gone. Hawaii should have one of the better recent teams next year and should win enough to have at least an RPI as high as this year. If the team loses in the BW tournament they would still make the NCAAs. Hawaii fans alway say they are heads and tails above all other conference opponents so this should not have a material impact. Of recent years, sure, but the idea that you underperform in regular conference play only to catch fire in a tournament can only benefit the runner ups in every scenario. This is not a power five conference where you play high RPI teams weekly, and as the lower BW teams pull your RPI down, its only on your own pre-conference schedules that will give you a high enough RPI. Those teams will not want to play the lower BW teams. So Hawai'i for example, could raise a BW team's RPI but playing those teams for Hawaii, will have no positive affect. Another reason for Hawaii to move conference. Okay to clarify. I don't care about the cup because we don't a lot of the sports that can contribute obtaining it. I'm sure the school cares about it. |
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 9, 2022 16:25:53 GMT -5
The only impact a Conference Tournament would have on the Wahine is that they will lose their one open week. The week they normally hold their alumni match. Hawaii will still have 3 weeks to have pre-conference matches.
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Post by Timeless on Dec 9, 2022 16:27:11 GMT -5
Hawaii should have one of the better recent teams next year and should win enough to have at least an RPI as high as this year. If the team loses in the BW tournament they would still make the NCAAs. Hawaii fans alway say they are heads and tails above all other conference opponents so this should not have a material impact. Of recent years, sure, but the idea that you underperform in regular conference play only to catch fire in a tournament can only benefit the runner ups in every scenario. This is not a power five conference where you play high RPI teams weekly, and as the lower BW teams pull your RPI down, its only on your own pre-conference schedules that will give you a high enough RPI. Those teams will not want to play the lower BW teams. So Hawai'i for example, could raise a BW team's RPI but playing those teams for Hawaii, will have no positive affect. Another reason for Hawaii to move conference.yes, please. Hawaii already has it tough on them by playing 2 matches at home and back-to-back on the road. |
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 9, 2022 16:30:43 GMT -5
Hawaii should have one of the better recent teams next year and should win enough to have at least an RPI as high as this year. If the team loses in the BW tournament they would still make the NCAAs. Hawaii fans alway say they are heads and tails above all other conference opponents so this should not have a material impact. Of recent years, sure, but the idea that you underperform in regular conference play only to catch fire in a tournament can only benefit the runner ups in every scenario. This is not a power five conference where you play high RPI teams weekly, and as the lower BW teams pull your RPI down, its only on your own pre-conference schedules that will give you a high enough RPI. Those teams will not want to play the lower BW teams. So Hawai'i for example, could raise a BW team's RPI but playing those teams for Hawaii, will have no positive affect. Another reason for Hawaii to move conference. Hawaii for now is stuck with the BWC. The only way Hawaii will be able to move to a stronger Conference, is if their football team becomes highly competitive. As we all know Football is the driving force. As of now, the Hawaii football team is not even close to being competitive. |
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Post by roy on Dec 9, 2022 16:35:28 GMT -5
I don't understand this comment. Cal Poly has got auto bids via conf titles in recent past. A conf tournament (limited to top teams) should help RPI. The top two teams get an advantage with this as well. if one assumes the Big West is perpetually a 1 bid league, then yeah, I guess one can say it's 'stealing a bid' mentality. well, it occurs every year in MBB, the regular season champ typically sits at home or goes to the NIT, while due to the odds, someone other than the #1 seed likely wins - it's statistics. It doesn't change that MBB is a 1 bid league. for WVB, the other way to look at it is that it is MORE LIKELY TO INCREASE BIDS, since an auto-bid yes may go to a team that would not get an auto-bid, but the top team typically is in or close to consideration for an at-large bid. WVB has had one bid, but also multiple bids, and the tourny does make it more likely to get multiple bids - hard to see how that is a negative. At least they are going to 18 team conference schedule, which makes the tournament much more palatable for me. It sounds like they would allow for the 4th week of non-conference play in September. But teams also need to win in non-conference play. In 2021, UCSB would have had to play a 17-15 Long Beach team (16-15 prior to the tournament) or a 16-16 Cal Poly team (15-16 prior to the tournament) in the semi finals. I would prefer a 4 team tournament. The top 6 all don't necessarily have strong win/loss records to protect the top teams RPI. A first round upset, especially by the #6 team over the #3 team could hurt the #2 seed. In this year, it would be UCSB facing a 16-15 UC Davis team over a 20-9 Long Beach team. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Dec 9, 2022 16:58:15 GMT -5
Per BW twitter the conference will have a tournament starting next season. There will be 6 teams with the top two getting a first round bye. Did it say where they are going to hold this so called Conference Tournament. Imagine it would have to be held over the Thanksgiving Weekend, like Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday. This would also mean, the Conference season would start 1 week earlier. first will be held at the Pyramid in 2023. imagine it will be similar to MVB, rotating twice in Socal, and once in Hawaii every 3 years, or something similar to that. Long Beach, Irvine, and Hawaii are also the logical venue choices to hold it. |
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Post by beachgrad on Dec 9, 2022 16:58:51 GMT -5
I don't understand this comment. Cal Poly has got auto bids via conf titles in recent past. A conf tournament (limited to top teams) should help RPI. The top two teams get an advantage with this as well. if one assumes the Big West is perpetually a 1 bid league, then yeah, I guess one can say it's 'stealing a bid' mentality. well, it occurs every year in MBB, the regular season champ typically sits at home or goes to the NIT, while due to the odds, someone other than the #1 seed likely wins - it's statistics. It doesn't change that MBB is a 1 bid league. for WVB, the other way to look at it is that it is MORE LIKELY TO INCREASE BIDS, since an auto-bid yes may go to a team that would not get an auto-bid, but the top team typically is in or close to consideration for an at-large bid. WVB has had one bid, but also multiple bids, and the tourny does make it more likely to get multiple bids - hard to see how that is a negative. At least they are going to 18 team conference schedule, which makes the tournament much more palatable for me. It sounds like they would allow for the 4th week of non-conference play in September. But teams also need to win in non-conference play. In 2021, UCSB would have had to play a 17-15 Long Beach team (16-15 prior to the tournament) or a 16-16 Cal Poly team (15-16 prior to the tournament) in the semi finals. I would prefer a 4 team tournament. The top 6 all don't necessarily have strong win/loss records to protect the top teams RPI. A first round upset, especially by the #6 team over the #3 team could hurt the #2 seed. In this year, it would be UCSB facing a 16-15 UC Davis team over a 20-9 Long Beach team. I would also prefer a 4 team tourney for the reasons you stated but I assume that it took a six team format for the tournament to pass. If the top teams can avoid playing two matches against the bottom and two more against the top this would actually improve RPI and help the top teams. I would have to believe that the regular season champ, in most if not all years, would have an RPI high enough to get in if they lost. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Dec 9, 2022 17:10:05 GMT -5
Of recent years, sure, but the idea that you underperform in regular conference play only to catch fire in a tournament can only benefit the runner ups in every scenario. This is not a power five conference where you play high RPI teams weekly, and as the lower BW teams pull your RPI down, its only on your own pre-conference schedules that will give you a high enough RPI. Those teams will not want to play the lower BW teams. So Hawai'i for example, could raise a BW team's RPI but playing those teams for Hawaii, will have no positive affect. Another reason for Hawaii to move conference. Hawaii for now is stuck with the BWC. The only way Hawaii will be able to move to a stronger Conference, is if their football team becomes highly competitive. As we all know Football is the driving force. As of now, the Hawaii football team is not even close to being competitive. lol, Long Beach is also stuck with the Big West wait Long Beach has won more commissioner's cups and Hawaii never has. count on some always putting the 'Waaahhhh' in Wahine ! jeez, any program worth it's salt will have an at-large resume regardless (like Hawaii has), so the tournament is not even relevent it creates better matches for the top teams, creates interest towards end of season. hard to see the downside unless one has a defeatest mentality, & IT INCREASES LIKELY BIDS AND INTEREST in the conference. why exactly is that bad? oh, because at some point some non Hawaii team will steal a bid from a MARGINAL 1st place regular season Hawaii team that might finish outside the top 50. just smh |
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Post by HawaiiVB on Dec 9, 2022 17:25:57 GMT -5
Hawaii for now is stuck with the BWC. The only way Hawaii will be able to move to a stronger Conference, is if their football team becomes highly competitive. As we all know Football is the driving force. As of now, the Hawaii football team is not even close to being competitive. lol, Long Beach is also stuck with the Big West wait Long Beach has won more commissioner's cups and Hawaii never has. count on some always putting the 'Waaahhhh' in Wahine ! jeez, any program worth it's salt will have an at-large resume regardless (like Hawaii has), so the tournament is not even relevent it creates better matches for the top teams, creates interest towards end of season. hard to see the downside unless one has a defeatest mentality, & IT INCREASES LIKELY BIDS AND INTEREST in the conference. why exactly is that bad? oh, because at some point some non Hawaii team will steal a bid from a MARGINAL 1st place regular season Hawaii team that might finish outside the top 50. just smh We don't care about the commisioners cup. We don't have men's soccer or men's water polo, or men's track so we don't care about those sports. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Dec 9, 2022 17:30:29 GMT -5
Hawaii should have one of the better recent teams next year and should win enough to have at least an RPI as high as this year. If the team loses in the BW tournament they would still make the NCAAs. Hawaii fans alway say they are heads and tails above all other conference opponents so this should not have a material impact. Of recent years, sure, but the idea that you underperform in regular conference play only to catch fire in a tournament can only benefit the runner ups in every scenario. This is not a power five conference where you play high RPI teams weekly, and as the lower BW teams pull your RPI down, its only on your own pre-conference schedules that will give you a high enough RPI. Those teams will not want to play the lower BW teams. So Hawai'i for example, could raise a BW team's RPI but playing those teams for Hawaii, will have no positive affect. Another reason for Hawaii to move conference. You aren't really understanding the RPI impact here. Look at what happened to the Horizon, MAC, A-Sun teams after their tournaments this year. It will add at-large bids for the BWC and bumps teams from a subregional 4 seed (playing a Top team in the first round) to a 3 seed (playing an at-large in the first round). In years when Hawaii is due for a Top 32 seed, it would basically always raise it, with very little chance for harming it. |
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Post by noblesol on Dec 9, 2022 17:36:20 GMT -5
Hawaii for now is stuck with the BWC. The only way Hawaii will be able to move to a stronger Conference, is if their football team becomes highly competitive. As we all know Football is the driving force. As of now, the Hawaii football team is not even close to being competitive. lol, Long Beach is also stuck with the Big West wait Long Beach has won more commissioner's cups and Hawaii never has. count on some always putting the 'Waaahhhh' in Wahine ! jeez, any program worth it's salt will have an at-large resume regardless (like Hawaii has), so the tournament is not even relevent it creates better matches for the top teams, creates interest towards end of season. hard to see the downside unless one has a defeatest mentality, & IT INCREASES LIKELY BIDS AND INTEREST in the conference. why exactly is that bad? oh, because at some point some non Hawaii team will steal a bid from a MARGINAL 1st place regular season Hawaii team that might finish outside the top 50. just smh The Hawaii fanbase is trolled heavily, I've come to believe, by those who claim to be fans but are really there to bring discredit to the collective group. They become the easy nail to pound on. Don't get sucked in... and generalize from them to others; no matter what side of the argument one is on. Don't feed it. I'm with roy on this one. A four-bid tournament would have been preferred to a six-bid, but it was probably not going to get the support it needed from the plurality. Going to an 18-match regular season is the right move, but how will that work? I'm curious how they'll handle scheduling the 18 regular conference dates. Odd they haven't laid that out. Reward the 1 & 2 seeds the following season with not having to play the the cellar dweller twice the following season is my hope. Then #3 skips the #10, #4 the #9, etc. That would benefit the top teams the following season, and the cellar dwellar the following season gets a shot at more non-conference matches that it might have a chance of winning, helping it move up in RPI potentially. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Dec 9, 2022 17:37:23 GMT -5
lol, Long Beach is also stuck with the Big West wait Long Beach has won more commissioner's cups and Hawaii never has. count on some always putting the 'Waaahhhh' in Wahine ! jeez, any program worth it's salt will have an at-large resume regardless (like Hawaii has), so the tournament is not even relevent it creates better matches for the top teams, creates interest towards end of season. hard to see the downside unless one has a defeatest mentality, & IT INCREASES LIKELY BIDS AND INTEREST in the conference. why exactly is that bad? oh, because at some point some non Hawaii team will steal a bid from a MARGINAL 1st place regular season Hawaii team that might finish outside the top 50. just smh We don't care about the commisioners cup. We don't have men's soccer or men's water polo, or men's track so we don't care about those sports. sounds like Hawaii should just go independent! good luck! putting the 'Waaaahhh' in Wahine! |
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Post by HawaiiVB on Dec 9, 2022 17:41:25 GMT -5
We don't care about the commisioners cup. We don't have men's soccer or men's water polo, or men's track so we don't care about those sports. sounds like Hawaii should just go independent! good luck! putting the 'Waaaahhh' in Wahine! We would if we could. But at least we contribute to the BW coffers in a big way. |
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Post by noblesol on Dec 9, 2022 17:42:21 GMT -5
Of recent years, sure, but the idea that you underperform in regular conference play only to catch fire in a tournament can only benefit the runner ups in every scenario. This is not a power five conference where you play high RPI teams weekly, and as the lower BW teams pull your RPI down, its only on your own pre-conference schedules that will give you a high enough RPI. Those teams will not want to play the lower BW teams. So Hawai'i for example, could raise a BW team's RPI but playing those teams for Hawaii, will have no positive affect. Another reason for Hawaii to move conference. You aren't really understanding the RPI impact here. Look at what happened to the Horizon, MAC, A-Sun teams after their tournaments this year. It will add at-large bids for the BWC and bumps teams from a subregional 4 seed (playing a Top team in the first round) to a 3 seed (playing an at-large in the first round). In years when Hawaii is due for a Top 32 seed, it would basically always raise it, with very little chance for harming it. Agreed. But how they'll handle the reduction in the conference regular season hasn't been laid out. Done right, it helps. But they haven't described that detail yet. The other issue is how much help is a jump in RPI that occurs from a tournament in the last week. Based on this years selection committee, for teams near the bubble, they appear to have largely ignored the last week of matches, and its impact on bubble team RPI. |
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