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Post by badgerbreath on Feb 9, 2022 21:59:05 GMT -5
Some institutions are forced to have this as their policy when their legislature fails to fund faculty competitively to their peers. So this is their only way. P. S. There is an undercurrent of negativity on this thread that I cannot place as to why.... I feel like it was same with the PSU hire. 🤔. It's like some type of coaches are expected to be nicer than others, for some reason .. Agreed. This is caused by top down constraints for sure. Anyway, I think MSU and Leah made a good choice. It will take a bit, given the exodus in the wake of George leaving, but it will come around in the end. |
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Post by timmyt on Feb 10, 2022 8:35:56 GMT -5
8 on the roster plus how many recruits? 4 recruits coming in. There are only 4 outsides/opposites on the roster if the four recruits come in. And only one setter. I see a few of the recruits are ranked high on PrepDig!! That’s a good start for Coach. Do we know anything more about them? |
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Post by BuckysHeat on Feb 10, 2022 10:00:48 GMT -5
If it is true that 6 players entered the portal within 2 days of the coach leaving, that says two things to me, both of which can be true
1) Leah Johnson is a saint and the players absolutely adore her
2) They did not really want to be at Illinois State, they were only there for #1
If a place is this unattractive, could be tough for recruiting going forward
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Post by utoolity on Feb 10, 2022 15:10:06 GMT -5
If it is true that 6 players entered the portal within 2 days of the coach leaving, that says two things to me, both of which can be true 1) Leah Johnson is a saint and the players absolutely adore her 2) They did not really want to be at Illinois State, they were only there for #1 If a place is this unattractive, could be tough for recruiting going forward Volleyball in the Midwest is full of talent. Someone will take that job and succeed. State school- get anyone in and build a good team. Get some juco kids to infill and recruit 2023 hard. Leah did well, is a good coach/person, glad she moved up and had 335000 reasons to move. Every coach in the profession has to love when the best conference pays as it pulls the national average higher too. |
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Post by volleyaudience on Feb 10, 2022 18:14:52 GMT -5
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Post by buckeyes0412 on Feb 10, 2022 21:21:36 GMT -5
Wichita state hasn’t been in the conference for several years. But yes the conference is down and doesn’t help about Loyola Yes, that's the point, since they left, the conference's level took a hit. The conference is even further down now, but since Wichita State's departure, it hasn't been the same. Of course, it's not like Wichita State has even had a ton of success in the American. They dominated the conference in its inaugural season, but lost some really good players after that season, and since then they just haven't been the same. They didn't even qualify for the two conference tournaments the American had in 2019 and 2020* season. Nah I think there were some great years in the past 7-8 years for the valley with UNI, Missouri State, Loyola, and Illinois State. It hasn’t been bad since Witchita State. It’s been bad the last few years |
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Post by trojansc on Feb 10, 2022 21:37:39 GMT -5
Only bad the 'last few years'? the Shockers have only been gone since '17...
MVC from 2010-2016 got multiple at-large bids in 5 of those 7 seasons. They were even a 4-bid conference(!) a couple years during that stretch. That's pretty significant for non-power 5 conferences, only the WCC in the past decade can also claim that. Since Wichita departed, they've never got multi-at large bids, and in the past two seasons, have received zero.
No point in keep beating this horse in this thread though.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Feb 11, 2022 0:49:47 GMT -5
Only bad the 'last few years'? the Shockers have only been gone since '17... MVC from 2010-2016 got multiple at-large bids in 5 of those 7 seasons. They were even a 4-bid conference(!) a couple years during that stretch. That's pretty significant for non-power 5 conferences, only the WCC in the past decade can also claim that. Since Wichita departed, they've never got multi-at large bids, and in the past two seasons, have received zero. No point in keep beating this horse in this thread though. MVC was the original rocket |
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Post by jayj79 on Feb 11, 2022 0:58:00 GMT -5
If it is true that 6 players entered the portal within 2 days of the coach leaving, that says two things to me, both of which can be true 1) Leah Johnson is a saint and the players absolutely adore her 2) They did not really want to be at Illinois State, they were only there for #1 If a place is this unattractive, could be tough for recruiting going forward is it really all that rare to see players test the transfer waters when there is a head-coaching change? (the team that I follow hasn't changed head coaches since I started paying attention to them, so I don't really have first-hand knowledge, but I seem to recall hearing of that happening in some sports) |
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Post by abcd098 on Feb 11, 2022 18:21:30 GMT -5
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Post by buckeyes0412 on Feb 11, 2022 20:04:56 GMT -5
Only bad the 'last few years'? the Shockers have only been gone since '17... MVC from 2010-2016 got multiple at-large bids in 5 of those 7 seasons. They were even a 4-bid conference(!) a couple years during that stretch. That's pretty significant for non-power 5 conferences, only the WCC in the past decade can also claim that. Since Wichita departed, they've never got multi-at large bids, and in the past two seasons, have received zero. No point in keep beating this horse in this thread though. Man your a joke, you always think you rule this forum and are right. From 2017-2019 the MVC had two bids each year. Check your facts. My point originally was true that it just recently got bad, not when witchita left. |
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Post by jwvolley on Feb 11, 2022 20:11:21 GMT -5
Only bad the 'last few years'? the Shockers have only been gone since '17... MVC from 2010-2016 got multiple at-large bids in 5 of those 7 seasons. They were even a 4-bid conference(!) a couple years during that stretch. That's pretty significant for non-power 5 conferences, only the WCC in the past decade can also claim that. Since Wichita departed, they've never got multi-at large bids, and in the past two seasons, have received zero. No point in keep beating this horse in this thread though. Man your a joke, you always think you rule this forum and are right. From 2017-2019 the MVC had two bids each year. Check your facts. My point originally was true that it just recently got bad, not when witchita left. He said multi at large bids. |
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Post by buckeyes0412 on Feb 11, 2022 20:51:39 GMT -5
Man your a joke, you always think you rule this forum and are right. From 2017-2019 the MVC had two bids each year. Check your facts. My point originally was true that it just recently got bad, not when witchita left. He said multi at large bids. Oh wow 3 vs 2…so bad of a conference |
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Post by trojansc on Feb 11, 2022 20:55:54 GMT -5
This was also the original post of mine:
I don't know why the poster is so adamant against that post. It wasn't even specifically just about Wichita anyways, though their exit certainly made it worse.
One could argue Mo State's decline was more of Lily Johnson graduating too than Stokes, but, I'm not sure about that. UNI is clearly not the same team it was, and the at-large numbers significantly declined from when Wichita State (and if you go even further back, because avid/BEast deserves mention too, since KBB and co. left the conference as well).
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Post by avid 2.0 on Feb 11, 2022 21:42:49 GMT -5
This was also the original post of mine: because avid/BEast deserves mention too, since KBB and co. left the conference as well).  |
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