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Post by volleyheels10 on Oct 18, 2022 9:59:11 GMT -5
The ACC is a mess....teams 1-3 are solid and set but teams 4-15 are just beating up on each other at this point. Wouldnt be surprised if that is the theme and 3 teams get in....
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Post by hail2pitt on Oct 18, 2022 11:18:17 GMT -5
The ACC is a mess....teams 1-3 are solid and set but teams 4-15 are just beating up on each other at this point. Wouldnt be surprised if that is the theme and 3 teams get in.... Honestly at this point it’s basically what the ACC deserves- at least all 3 of those teams have a great chance to make Round of 16
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Post by volleyfan on Oct 18, 2022 23:39:38 GMT -5
The ACC is a mess....teams 1-3 are solid and set but teams 4-15 are just beating up on each other at this point. Wouldnt be surprised if that is the theme and 3 teams get in.... Honestly at this point it’s basically what the ACC deserves- at least all 3 of those teams have a great chance to make Round of 16 Curious what you mean by “what the ACC deserves”. What mistakes have landed them here?
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Post by hail2pitt on Oct 19, 2022 7:18:50 GMT -5
Honestly at this point it’s basically what the ACC deserves- at least all 3 of those teams have a great chance to make Round of 16 Curious what you mean by “what the ACC deserves”. What mistakes have landed them here? UNC severely underperforming Duke severely underperforming NC State losing to Wake Forest FSU losing to Virginia And a lot more that I can’t think of this moment. Not a strong performance by the ACC this year so far and I want the ACC to be really good. But that means seeing the middle be really good- and this year the middle is not good
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Post by ACCFAN on Oct 19, 2022 7:54:08 GMT -5
ND has won 4 in a row! Quietly sneaking up! 😊
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Post by jackson5vb on Oct 19, 2022 8:02:44 GMT -5
ND has won 4 in a row! Quietly sneaking up! 😊 Yes they're looking better than at the beginning of the season. At this rate they could end up 4th/5th!
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Post by volleyheels10 on Oct 19, 2022 8:14:30 GMT -5
I think its more than the middle not being good...I think the bottom is getting better. Wake and UVA who are normally in the bottom are much improved not just in conference but were in Preseason. Also, VA Tech took a set of UL. UVA took a set off of Pitt. I think the top 3 are solid, but I think that the bottom has gotten better and there is no clear middle. Unfortunately, the middle is prone to upsets which hurt RPI, so when that happens it sinks all of those teams.
Take this weekend...UNC beat BC but lost to Syracuse.....then NCSU beat Syracuse but lost to BC. That is the type of mess that is hurting teams chances of the tournament. NCSU I would have argued after taking down UM and FSU had a chance at an at large....but combine that BC loss with Western Carolina and I dont see it now. UNC has also played their way out of contention. Duke had a strong nonconference then fell apart. I think the 5th years we have in the ACC this year are different....I think we will see teams relying on youth struggle and maybe be back to top shape in a year or two but this year lots of teams are inexperienced or not clicking.
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Post by hail2pitt on Oct 19, 2022 9:20:28 GMT -5
I think its more than the middle not being good...I think the bottom is getting better. Wake and UVA who are normally in the bottom are much improved not just in conference but were in Preseason. Also, VA Tech took a set of UL. UVA took a set off of Pitt. I think the top 3 are solid, but I think that the bottom has gotten better and there is no clear middle. Unfortunately, the middle is prone to upsets which hurt RPI, so when that happens it sinks all of those teams. Take this weekend...UNC beat BC but lost to Syracuse.....then NCSU beat Syracuse but lost to BC. That is the type of mess that is hurting teams chances of the tournament. NCSU I would have argued after taking down UM and FSU had a chance at an at large....but combine that BC loss with Western Carolina and I dont see it now. UNC has also played their way out of contention. Duke had a strong nonconference then fell apart. I think the 5th years we have in the ACC this year are different....I think we will see teams relying on youth struggle and maybe be back to top shape in a year or two but this year lots of teams are inexperienced or not clicking. I don’t disagree with any of this. But therefore I stand by my statement that the ACC only deserves 3 bids- albeit 3 very very good bids. Right now FSU is the only other team with a chance barring any upsets of the Top 3
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Post by volleyheels10 on Oct 19, 2022 9:33:41 GMT -5
I think its more than the middle not being good...I think the bottom is getting better. Wake and UVA who are normally in the bottom are much improved not just in conference but were in Preseason. Also, VA Tech took a set of UL. UVA took a set off of Pitt. I think the top 3 are solid, but I think that the bottom has gotten better and there is no clear middle. Unfortunately, the middle is prone to upsets which hurt RPI, so when that happens it sinks all of those teams. Take this weekend...UNC beat BC but lost to Syracuse.....then NCSU beat Syracuse but lost to BC. That is the type of mess that is hurting teams chances of the tournament. NCSU I would have argued after taking down UM and FSU had a chance at an at large....but combine that BC loss with Western Carolina and I dont see it now. UNC has also played their way out of contention. Duke had a strong nonconference then fell apart. I think the 5th years we have in the ACC this year are different....I think we will see teams relying on youth struggle and maybe be back to top shape in a year or two but this year lots of teams are inexperienced or not clicking. I don’t disagree with any of this. But therefore I stand by my statement that the ACC only deserves 3 bids- albeit 3 very very good bids. Right now FSU is the only other team with a chance barring any upsets of the Top 3 And honestly I do not see FSU deserving of an at large right now...they lost to Cincinnati who lost to ECU a cellar dwellar in the AAC. They lost to a very inconsistent NCSU and UVA. I agree at this point 3 is all that I would put in.
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Post by aardvark on Oct 19, 2022 10:16:46 GMT -5
And honestly I do not see FSU deserving of an at large right now...they lost to Cincinnati who lost to ECU a cellar dwellar in the AAC. They lost to a very inconsistent NCSU and UVA. I agree at this point 3 is all that I would put in. You are trying to evaluate FSU in a vacuum. The actual assignment of in or out doesn't work that way. Candidates are compared. In theory most teams on the bubble have tarnished resumes. There's plenty of season left for teams to alter their trajectory.
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Post by volleynerdmw on Oct 19, 2022 13:42:31 GMT -5
I think its more than the middle not being good...I think the bottom is getting better. Wake and UVA who are normally in the bottom are much improved not just in conference but were in Preseason. Also, VA Tech took a set of UL. UVA took a set off of Pitt. I think the top 3 are solid, but I think that the bottom has gotten better and there is no clear middle. Unfortunately, the middle is prone to upsets which hurt RPI, so when that happens it sinks all of those teams. Take this weekend...UNC beat BC but lost to Syracuse.....then NCSU beat Syracuse but lost to BC. That is the type of mess that is hurting teams chances of the tournament. NCSU I would have argued after taking down UM and FSU had a chance at an at large....but combine that BC loss with Western Carolina and I dont see it now. UNC has also played their way out of contention. Duke had a strong nonconference then fell apart. I think the 5th years we have in the ACC this year are different....I think we will see teams relying on youth struggle and maybe be back to top shape in a year or two but this year lots of teams are inexperienced or not clicking. I really thought NCSU was going to break through. They have the same easy schedule as last season (Only play LOU, Pitt and GT once). If they don't get an at large this season it will be way tougher next year. The are 11-8 and they were 11-8 thru 19 matches last year. Brand new team with more talent and same result. Freshman Brizard has had a great year but this might be a case study for how reloading a team with "big time" transfers might now always work. Two Texas transfer haven't panned out. Williams has only played in less than half the sets and Cabello is the non starting side of the 6/2 and there is no way Slabe wants to run a 6/2. Bukilic is hitting .190 and Loeniak .154 the latter playing half the time. Thankfully Hernandez has played up to her typical standard or this team would be cooked. On paper they will have two sure losses to GT and LOU. But they also tend to struggle with the Triangle schools, which are next up. At Duke tonight and home against UNC on Friday. If they drop either of those I don't see how they get in with 11 loses and to be honest I think they probably lose another match for 12 loses. RPI is 64 Massey is 68 currently
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Post by mervinswerved on Oct 19, 2022 13:49:07 GMT -5
there is no way Slabe wants to run a 6/2 I don't have much quibble with the rest, but in talking with Slabe this year he seems pretty committed to the 6-2 for non-setter reasons.
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Post by volleynerdmw on Oct 19, 2022 13:58:45 GMT -5
there is no way Slabe wants to run a 6/2 I don't have much quibble with the rest, but in talking with Slabe this year he seems pretty committed to the 6-2 for non-setter reasons. Totally agree there is more to running a 6/2 than just the setters but I also know it's not "all" non-setter reasons on this team. If you have a setter who is athletic enough to move well and block that would move you towards a 5/1. Also need a middle that can slide which Allen can do but maybe not consistent enough? Slabe wants to play that international style and that's a 5/1
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Post by volleynerdmw on Oct 20, 2022 22:44:24 GMT -5
I think its more than the middle not being good...I think the bottom is getting better. Wake and UVA who are normally in the bottom are much improved not just in conference but were in Preseason. Also, VA Tech took a set of UL. UVA took a set off of Pitt. I think the top 3 are solid, but I think that the bottom has gotten better and there is no clear middle. Unfortunately, the middle is prone to upsets which hurt RPI, so when that happens it sinks all of those teams. Take this weekend...UNC beat BC but lost to Syracuse.....then NCSU beat Syracuse but lost to BC. That is the type of mess that is hurting teams chances of the tournament. NCSU I would have argued after taking down UM and FSU had a chance at an at large....but combine that BC loss with Western Carolina and I dont see it now. UNC has also played their way out of contention. Duke had a strong nonconference then fell apart. I think the 5th years we have in the ACC this year are different....I think we will see teams relying on youth struggle and maybe be back to top shape in a year or two but this year lots of teams are inexperienced or not clicking. I really thought NCSU was going to break through. They have the same easy schedule as last season (Only play LOU, Pitt and GT once). If they don't get an at large this season it will be way tougher next year. The are 11-8 and they were 11-8 thru 19 matches last year. Brand new team with more talent and same result. Freshman Brizard has had a great year but this might be a case study for how reloading a team with "big time" transfers might now always work. Two Texas transfer haven't panned out. Williams has only played in less than half the sets and Cabello is the non starting side of the 6/2 and there is no way Slabe wants to run a 6/2. Bukilic is hitting .190 and Loeniak .154 the latter playing half the time. Thankfully Hernandez has played up to her typical standard or this team would be cooked. On paper they will have two sure losses to GT and LOU. But they also tend to struggle with the Triangle schools, which are next up. At Duke tonight and home against UNC on Friday. If they drop either of those I don't see how they get in with 11 loses and to be honest I think they probably lose another match for 12 loses. RPI is 64 Massey is 68 currently Well that didn’t take long. Pack looked terrible last night. No way they make it in.
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Post by dogmomx3 on Oct 21, 2022 8:06:54 GMT -5
I totally agree with this statement...I think its more than the middle not being good...I think the bottom is getting better.
Lots of teams were mentioned previously in this thread but let's not forgot about Clemson. Let's break it down. They have an 11-9 record so far. They lost to Pitt, Louisville, and GT in 3 but they are top 10 teams. Five of their nine match losses were pushed to 5 sets. They obviously need to work on finishing. They lost to WF by only a handful of points and will get another shot at them at the end of their season. Two of their early losses they had 3 starters out which included their setter. Circling back to the original posters comment, I really think those teams typically toward the bottom of the ACC have shown that they can compete. It has been fun watching the ACC teams battle it out this season.
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