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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jun 24, 2022 17:20:18 GMT -5
We have already seen that some corporations are concerned enough about how this will impact their job recruiting and retention that they are announcing policies that any women employees in abortion-illegal states will be compensated for flights to states where abortion is legal. so under TExas law, can Texans sue Corporations that aid in an abortion, and get damages? deep pockets, move to Texas and sue companies, regardless of whether you really give a cr&p about abortion one way or the other |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 24, 2022 17:24:16 GMT -5
We have already seen that some corporations are concerned enough about how this will impact their job recruiting and retention that they are announcing policies that any women employees in abortion-illegal states will be compensated for flights to states where abortion is legal. so under TExas law, can Texans sue Corporations that aid in an abortion, and get damages? deep pockets, move to Texas and sue companies, regardless of whether you really give a cr&p about abortion one way or the other Yes, I assume so. But Texas is a state where they want to make it easy for an 18-yr-old to buy an assault weapon that he then uses to kill elementary school students, so I don't really give a %*$# about Texas laws. You literally could not pay me enough to live there. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jun 24, 2022 17:26:37 GMT -5
if Hillary couldn't run a decent campaign, it's an indication she might not have been an effective President Maybe? I don't think it is at all clear that the skills required to get elected as President are the same as the skills required to actually be President. it's not the total correlation, but it's concerning because it can inidcate she can't delegate effective, and make the executive decisions, and her political judgment - all characteristics a succesful President should have She'd become so used to doling out favoritism, cultivatinig 'goodwill' sometimes questionable with teh Clinton foundation in short Hillary conveyed a sense of entitlement go back to the 90s, she failed miserably when her hubby tried to make her in charge of getting national health-care. just liek Biden spending his entire adult life as a Senator and never being an executive shows up clearly in horrific public leadership skills (I guess getting elected and maintaining that in Delaware isn't the same challenge as other states) and fumbling constantly and poor messaging so with Clinton, basically having to move to NY to get elected to the Senate with her connections to set that path (now if she had been able to get elected in Arkansas I've had been impressed), basically just getting annoited her entire political career. yeah, her loss was a clear warning sign of short-comings |
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Post by valleyvolley1 on Jun 24, 2022 17:27:46 GMT -5
so under TExas law, can Texans sue Corporations that aid in an abortion, and get damages? deep pockets, move to Texas and sue companies, regardless of whether you really give a cr&p about abortion one way or the other Yes, I assume so. But Texas is a state where they want to make it easy for an 18-yr-old to buy an assault weapon that he then uses to kill elementary school students, so I don't really give a %*$# about Texas laws. You literally could not pay me enough to live there. another idiotictake by you mike, so murder on one hand is great, but you abhor murder on the other hand that everyone in Texas is opposed to. Why post so stupidly? |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 24, 2022 17:30:14 GMT -5
Maybe? I don't think it is at all clear that the skills required to get elected as President are the same as the skills required to actually be President. it's not the total correlation, but it's concerning because it can inidcate she can't delegate effective, and make the executive decisions, and her political judgment - all characteristics a succesful President should have She'd become so used to doling out favoritism, cultivatinig 'goodwill' sometimes questionable with teh Clinton foundation in short Hillary conveyed a sense of entitlement go back to the 90s, she failed miserably when her hubby tried to make her in charge of getting national health-care. just liek Biden spending his entire adult life as a Senator and never being an executive shows up clearly in horrific public leadership skills (I guess getting elected and maintaining that in Delaware isn't the same challenge as other states) and fumbling constantly and poor messaging so with Clinton, basically having to move to NY to get elected to the Senate with her connections to set that path (now if she had been able to get elected in Arkansas I've had been impressed), basically just getting annoited her entire political career. yeah, her loss was a clear warning sign of short-comings I mean, I would have voted for Bernie, so I'm not going to lie down on the tracks for Clinton. But I did vote for her over Trump. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jun 24, 2022 17:31:16 GMT -5
so under TExas law, can Texans sue Corporations that aid in an abortion, and get damages? deep pockets, move to Texas and sue companies, regardless of whether you really give a cr&p about abortion one way or the other Yes, I assume so. But Texas is a state where they want to make it easy for an 18-yr-old to buy an assault weapon that he then uses to kill elementary school students, so I don't really give a %*$# about Texas laws. You literally could not pay me enough to live there. so changing the subject? oh, agree, I have no desire to live in TExas, it's good for BBQ, and a lot of lakes, but other than that not sure of the attraction. it does have a good comedian, Ted Cruz, in the Senate. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 24, 2022 17:34:00 GMT -5
Yes, I assume so. But Texas is a state where they want to make it easy for an 18-yr-old to buy an assault weapon that he then uses to kill elementary school students, so I don't really give a %*$# about Texas laws. You literally could not pay me enough to live there. so changing the subject? oh, agree, I have no desire to live in TExas, it's good for BBQ, and a lot of lakes, but other than that not sure of the attraction. it does have a good comedian, Ted Cruz, in the Senate. Dude, I live in Washington. I am not particularly enchanted by Texas supposedly having a lot of lakes.  |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jun 24, 2022 17:34:43 GMT -5
Yes, I assume so. But Texas is a state where they want to make it easy for an 18-yr-old to buy an assault weapon that he then uses to kill elementary school students, so I don't really give a %*$# about Texas laws. You literally could not pay me enough to live there. another idiotictake by you mike, so murder on one hand is great, but you abhor murder on the other hand that everyone in Texas is opposed to. Why post so stupidly? Abortion is not murder. When your premise is wrong, you just compound it after that. If you think it's premeditated murder, I guess you also advocate teh death penalty for a woman in Texas that chooses to get an abortion?! Do you advocate for the death penalty or life imprisonment for a woman having an abortion? But then it's not murder. Now I guess you can go back to jacking off and murdering those sperm of yours, and then asking for forgiveness for your sins |
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Post by ringostar on Jun 24, 2022 17:42:57 GMT -5
so under TExas law, can Texans sue Corporations that aid in an abortion, and get damages? deep pockets, move to Texas and sue companies, regardless of whether you really give a cr&p about abortion one way or the other Yes, I assume so. But Texas is a state where they want to make it easy for an 18-yr-old to buy an assault weapon that he then uses to kill elementary school students, so I don't really give a %*$# about Texas laws. You literally could not pay me enough to live there. I know. They let them drive assault vehicles, carry assault knives and assault hands in Texas too. Crazy place!!!! |
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Post by n00b on Jun 24, 2022 17:51:26 GMT -5
another idiotictake by you mike, so murder on one hand is great, but you abhor murder on the other hand that everyone in Texas is opposed to. Why post so stupidly? Abortion is not murder. When your premise is wrong, you just compound it after that. If you think it's premeditated murder, I guess you also advocate teh death penalty for a woman in Texas that chooses to get an abortion?! Do you advocate for the death penalty or life imprisonment for a woman having an abortion? But then it's not murder. Now I guess you can go back to jacking off and murdering those sperm of yours, and then asking for forgiveness for your sins California calls killing a fetus murder. 187. (a) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, or a fetus, with malice aforethought. It goes on to specifically allow abortions. But even California generally considers killing a fetus murder. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jun 24, 2022 18:03:05 GMT -5
Abortion is not murder. When your premise is wrong, you just compound it after that. If you think it's premeditated murder, I guess you also advocate teh death penalty for a woman in Texas that chooses to get an abortion?! Do you advocate for the death penalty or life imprisonment for a woman having an abortion? But then it's not murder. Now I guess you can go back to jacking off and murdering those sperm of yours, and then asking for forgiveness for your sins California calls killing a fetus murder. 187. (a) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, or a fetus, with malice aforethought. It goes on to specifically allow abortions. But even California generally considers killing a fetus murder. ok. not sure what point you are trying to make. an abortion is not murder in California, as you stated. California considers killing a fetus, outside of abortion, a murder. and....? |
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Post by valleyvolley1 on Jun 24, 2022 18:11:44 GMT -5
California calls killing a fetus murder. 187. (a) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, or a fetus, with malice aforethought. It goes on to specifically allow abortions. But even California generally considers killing a fetus murder. ok. not sure what point you are trying to make. an abortion is not murder in California, as you stated. California considers killing a fetus, outside of abortion, a murder. and....? you are not sure? because you are an idiot? That is the only explanation |
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Post by noreaster on Jun 24, 2022 18:48:22 GMT -5
another idiotictake by you mike, so murder on one hand is great, but you abhor murder on the other hand that everyone in Texas is opposed to. Why post so stupidly? Abortion is not murder. When your premise is wrong, you just compound it after that. If you think it's premeditated murder, I guess you also advocate teh death penalty for a woman in Texas that chooses to get an abortion?! Do you advocate for the death penalty or life imprisonment for a woman having an abortion? But then it's not murder. Now I guess you can go back to jacking off and murdering those sperm of yours, and then asking for forgiveness for your sins Somewhere (Alabama?) announced today that performing an abortion would result in up to life in prison. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jun 24, 2022 18:58:43 GMT -5
ok. not sure what point you are trying to make. an abortion is not murder in California, as you stated. California considers killing a fetus, outside of abortion, a murder. and....? you are not sure? because you are an idiot? That is the only explanation name calling yep again, your powers of comprehension are amazing |
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Post by oldnewbie on Jun 24, 2022 19:07:04 GMT -5
I'm not going to explain substantive due process or the right to privacy in a post here Neither can explain away that the constitution does not contain language that can reasonably be interpreted as guaranteeing the right to an abortion.
You're just making s__t up.
That is factually just not true. There is a good (and short) Q&A with Chicago University law professor Geofferey Stone that was done in anticipation of this ruling and published today: A history of American thought on abortion: It’s not what you think"Americans, almost all, believed at that time (Roe v Wade) that abortion had always been illegal, that it had always been criminal. And no one would have imagined that abortion was legal in every state at the time the Constitution was adopted, and it was fairly common. But people didn’t know that." "In the 18th century, abortion was completely legal before what was called the “quickening” of a fetus – when a woman could first feel fetal movement, or roughly four and a half months through a pregnancy. No state prohibited it, and it was common." "And this was eye-opening to the justices, because they had, I’m sure every one of them, assumed abortion had been illegal back to the beginning of Christianity. And they were just shocked to realize that was not the case, and that prohibiting abortion was impairing what the framers thought to be ... a woman’s “fundamental interest.” " "The majority of people still believe there should be a right to abortion and a right to privacy, and most don’t read or hear all that much from evangelicals, Catholics, or from strongly anti-abortion people. I think the vast majority will think this is a horrible decision, and they will be really angry. It will also undermine the court’s credibility with society, because historically, when the court recognized rights that previously hadn’t been recognized, it was to protect individuals who were otherwise powerless. So overturning Roe will be close to unprecedented in taking away a right meant to protect individuals and doing so in a dramatic and aggressive way." |
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