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Post by justahick on Aug 4, 2022 18:25:42 GMT -5
This is simply not true. Chicago State has plenty of money, all of their programs are fully funded, they offer COA for all their headcount sports unlike many, their coaches are well compensated and have multiyear contracts. Their teams travel well, the school's financial troubles are now well in the past. "Fully funded" uh huh. Are your hands tired from waiving that fast?
Wouldn't be surprised if they have the smallest student body, the smallest school total budget, and the smallest athletic budget of any public school (possibly any school period!) in DI.
NAIA Chicagoland member Governors State is a public school just a few miles south of Chicago St, and I believe has triple(?) the student body size of CSU.
Painfully obvious that that is where CSU belongs.
No DI conference will ever accept them as a member. They were kicked out of the MidContinent (Summit now) and then the WAC. Embarrassing ...
There are some d1 schools with much worse athletic budget, much lower volleyball budgets, many fewer scholarships and fewer (and lower) paid coaches. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2022 18:30:31 GMT -5
It's possible.
Then why hasn't CSU been invited to any DI conference? The OVC would seem like a shoe-in, purely from geography.
There are other issues that are more fundamental for CSU. You can Google and read about them. It's tough to recruit there, I'm sure. Is what it is.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 4, 2022 18:39:11 GMT -5
It's possible. Then why hasn't CSU been invited to any DI conference? The OVC would seem like a shoe-in, purely from geography. There are other issues that are more fundamental for CSU. You can Google and read about them. It's tough to recruit there, I'm sure. Is what it is. They are one of those teams that's like 95% international players. |
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Post by bgvb66 on Aug 4, 2022 18:53:01 GMT -5
It's possible. Then why hasn't CSU been invited to any DI conference? The OVC would seem like a shoe-in, purely from geography. There are other issues that are more fundamental for CSU. You can Google and read about them. It's tough to recruit there, I'm sure. Is what it is. They are one of those teams that's like 95% international players. Actually 9 out of 14 players on 2021 roster were international, so like 65%? And Chicago is popular city for internationals. |
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Post by bgvb66 on Aug 4, 2022 19:01:16 GMT -5
It's possible. Then why hasn't CSU been invited to any DI conference? The OVC would seem like a shoe-in, purely from geography. There are other issues that are more fundamental for CSU. You can Google and read about them. It's tough to recruit there, I'm sure. Is what it is. Lots of assumptions without having any pertinent info. Chicago State men's and women's tennis just joined Horizon, and their men's soccer just became member of the MAC. CSU turned down an invitation from Southland hoping that MEAC will be voting them in. MEAC AD's approved the vote just to be denied by MEAC presidents later. OVC was on CSU campus twice along with MEAC and Horizon. There's a feasibility study being done to determine if adding football and beach volleyball would be beneficial. Golf, T&F and CC are not depended much on a conference affiliation for scheduling purposes so that really leaves CSU MBB, WBB, WVB and WSC in need of a conference. There's a consulting firm hired to help with this process. And yes, not the easiest place to recruit for, but not the worst either. |
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Aug 4, 2022 19:25:50 GMT -5
They are one of those teams that's like 95% international players. Actually 9 out of 14 players on 2021 roster were international, so like 65%? And Chicago is popular city for internationals. Yeah, a little hyperbole obviously, but it's well over half. Then when they announce the starting line ups, it's like all but one. |
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Post by hammer on Aug 4, 2022 19:34:13 GMT -5
They're going to replace Indiana in the Big Ten I heard the Pac-12 will have a couple openings soon. |
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Post by bgvb66 on Aug 4, 2022 20:05:05 GMT -5
Actually 9 out of 14 players on 2021 roster were international, so like 65%? And Chicago is popular city for internationals. Yeah, a little hyperbole obviously, but it's well over half. Then when they announce the starting line ups, it's like all but one. Like most here say, difficult to recruit. So you've got to do what you can to be somewhat competitive... Not everyone is in P5 and even they go to internationals... hmmm Wisconsin comes to mind with Smrek, Guctekin and Orzol, Civita. Not enough talent in US, I guess  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2022 9:16:13 GMT -5
It's possible. Then why hasn't CSU been invited to any DI conference? The OVC would seem like a shoe-in, purely from geography. There are other issues that are more fundamental for CSU. You can Google and read about them. It's tough to recruit there, I'm sure. Is what it is. Lots of assumptions without having any pertinent info. Chicago State men's and women's tennis just joined Horizon, and their men's soccer just became member of the MAC. CSU turned down an invitation from Southland hoping that MEAC will be voting them in. MEAC AD's approved the vote just to be denied by MEAC presidents later. OVC was on CSU campus twice along with MEAC and Horizon. There's a feasibility study being done to determine if adding football and beach volleyball would be beneficial. Golf, T&F and CC are not depended much on a conference affiliation for scheduling purposes so that really leaves CSU MBB, WBB, WVB and WSC in need of a conference. There's a consulting firm hired to help with this process. And yes, not the easiest place to recruit for, but not the worst either. Well, Horizon would obviously be incredible, if they'd be willing to add CSU as the replacement for UIC.
I can't see that in a million years, given the huge gap between what CSU spends on athletics (and size and budget of school overall) compared to those teams.
MEAC makes sense with CSU being a "defacto" HBCU ... but it was never an actual HBCU. Just got swept up in massive demographics shift of south Chicago. That (the campus body demographics) and the crime, I imagine are the key factors of what makes it so difficult to recruit students (let alone athletes) there.
OVC I still think is the best you can hope for, for now. Try to build up and be competitive there. But they just added Lindenwood, Southern Indiana, and Little Rock to get to 10. I think they would need to lose someone else to consider CSU, at this point.
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Post by jayj79 on Aug 5, 2022 23:35:35 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 11:09:42 GMT -5
Wrap it up in a nutshell: CSU does not need football to get into a conference. It needs a competitive men's bball team that isn't going to be an anchor around the conf's neck in RPI.
They have a great arena on campus. (All other facilities there are high school level) All about who you can convince to come to that campus and area of town ...
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Post by jayj79 on Aug 6, 2022 11:16:13 GMT -5
(All other facilities there are high school level) There are a number of P5 schools whose volleyball teams play in "high school level" facilities or worse. Some don't even have air conditioning. |
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Post by trojansc on Aug 6, 2022 11:19:44 GMT -5
Wrap it up in a nutshell: CSU does not need football to get into a conference. It needs a competitive men's bball team that isn't going to be an anchor around the conf's neck in RPI. They have a great arena on campus. (All other facilities there are high school level) All about who you can convince to come to that campus and area of town ... RPI is mostly insignificant in men’s basketball. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 11:23:11 GMT -5
Wrap it up in a nutshell: CSU does not need football to get into a conference. It needs a competitive men's bball team that isn't going to be an anchor around the conf's neck in RPI. They have a great arena on campus. (All other facilities there are high school level) All about who you can convince to come to that campus and area of town ... RPI is mostly insignificant in men’s basketball. As you understood perfectly clear, the correct argument being made is about having a solid enough men's bball program that a conference would actually want to pick you up. |
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Post by bprtbone on Aug 7, 2022 16:15:13 GMT -5
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