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Post by clob on May 12, 2023 20:12:38 GMT -5
pretty source shared with me multiple teams at the 16s and 17s level have turned down at-large bids for nationals. sounds like several clubs have already made plans for AAU and are sticking to it Who would turn down an open bid? There are a ton of reasons. Like they've already decided to play in Orlando. The parents don't want to foot another bill for a trip to Chicago. And maybe the kids want some time off? Seems reasonable to me... Otherwise, aren't most of them playing from June 22nd to July 6th? That's friggin' nuts.
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Post by wonkaman on May 12, 2023 20:22:59 GMT -5
There is a team that has turned down a non-open division at large bid because of scheduling conflicts. They will be participating in AAUs. I don't know if that is their "scheduling conflict".
For many of the club's schedules they show Junior Nationals (if qualify) or AAU. Once all qualifiers are complete many of those clubs who do not qualify submit their application for AAUs. Waiting for at large bids may not be practical.
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Post by nakedcrayon on May 13, 2023 21:54:53 GMT -5
If that is the case I wanna know how many parents of the 18-3 are willing to do that to the 18-4s
I wouldnt let my kid go reagrdless of the clubs decision if we were on the 3s team
how many clubs even have 4 18s teams ?
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Post by coachdavid on May 13, 2023 22:03:46 GMT -5
Why even protect the directors? Name em!
I am confused though, since 18s Nationals is already over, and AAUs doesnt require a bid.
I'm also not big on "lawyer up" but if my club sent me to a qualifier, charged me for practice time, made me use 'stay to play' and then took the bid I'd earned, I'd want my money back.
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Post by volleydada4 on May 14, 2023 6:07:33 GMT -5
I don’t believe teams at the 16s or 17s age group would ever turn down an at large USAV OPEN bid. Especially teams that have played OPEN level all year long. As a club, It’s literally the pinnacle of competition and exposure in the sport. Isn’t that the point of this thing? One poster says they have a source that says multiple teams turned down at large bids (not OPEN at large Bids) and lots of people just run with it? Typical for misinformation in today’s day and age… Sorry I don’t buy it. It’s like a soccer club in Europe turning down the opportunity to play in the Premier League. Just seems very unrealistic. Especially with the parity you’ve seen this season in both age groups, who would give up an opportunity to go on a run and win it all?
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Post by n00b on May 14, 2023 8:44:10 GMT -5
I don’t believe teams at the 16s or 17s age group would ever turn down an at large USAV OPEN bid. Especially teams that have played OPEN level all year long. As a club, It’s literally the pinnacle of competition and exposure in the sport. Isn’t that the point of this thing? One poster says they have a source that says multiple teams turned down at large bids (not OPEN at large Bids) and lots of people just run with it? Typical for misinformation in today’s day and age… Sorry I don’t buy it. It’s like a soccer club in Europe turning down the opportunity to play in the Premier League. Just seems very unrealistic. Especially with the parity you’ve seen this season in both age groups, who would give up an opportunity to go on a run and win it all? Sure they would. You don’t want to wait to book flights and hotels until mid-May. So if a team failed to qualify at their last qualifier a month ago, it’s totally reasonable to just commit to AAUs so everybody can make their travel arrangements. Financially, it couldn’t be further from your premier league example.
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Post by Gridballer on May 14, 2023 11:12:45 GMT -5
So, with one qualifier left--Far Westerns--there will be two at large bids for 16 Open this year. I compiled the results for all teams that have appeared in a gold pool so far this year, based on what is in AES. (Since only results in AES are considered for At-Large status, at least as I understand it). If you look at record vs the Open qualified field-- Legacy is 12-12 vs Open qualified field Mi Elite is 8-10 vs Open qualified field MadFrogs is 6-10 Open qualified field AVA is 4-8 vs Open qualified field If you look at record vs all non-Open teams that have reached a gold pool this year--- MI Elite is 20-11 Legacy is 18-15 Dynasty is 11-15 AVA is 11-16 MadFrogs is 10-14 I would think, based on this, Legacy and Mi Elite would be the front runners... Looks like someone knows what they are talking about! Out of curiosity, for qualifiers that aren't populated into AES, are those wins and losses not considered? Seems odd. Maybe clubs are expected to upload these results to AES if not already in the system if they want to compete for these at-large bids?
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Post by itsallrelative on May 14, 2023 15:31:15 GMT -5
So, with one qualifier left--Far Westerns--there will be two at large bids for 16 Open this year. I compiled the results for all teams that have appeared in a gold pool so far this year, based on what is in AES. (Since only results in AES are considered for At-Large status, at least as I understand it). If you look at record vs the Open qualified field-- Legacy is 12-12 vs Open qualified field Mi Elite is 8-10 vs Open qualified field MadFrogs is 6-10 Open qualified field AVA is 4-8 vs Open qualified field If you look at record vs all non-Open teams that have reached a gold pool this year--- MI Elite is 20-11 Legacy is 18-15 Dynasty is 11-15 AVA is 11-16 MadFrogs is 10-14 I would think, based on this, Legacy and Mi Elite would be the front runners... Looks like someone knows what they are talking about! Out of curiosity, for qualifiers that aren't populated into AES, are those wins and losses not considered? Seems odd. Maybe clubs are expected to upload these results to AES if not already in the system if they want to compete for these at-large bids? Even the blind squirrel….🥜 Per the championship manual: Submits accurate and up-to-date electronic results in the GJNCs Event registration system no later than the end of business on the Tuesday after the finish of the last NQ offering their age group. ALL TEAM RESULTS NEED
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Post by Bud Kilmer on May 15, 2023 9:29:42 GMT -5
So Miami Hype got the last 17 atlarge open bid?
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Post by vbtalk on May 15, 2023 9:35:58 GMT -5
So Miami Hype got the last 17 atlarge open bid? According to the spreadsheet, you are correct. Interesting choice.
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Post by westie13 on May 15, 2023 11:26:17 GMT -5
Who is the committee made up of? Both of those 17s decisions are crazy to me considering who was left, though I do understand some teams turned down the bid.
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Post by VBallLife on May 15, 2023 12:08:16 GMT -5
Who is the committee made up of? Both of those 17s decisions are crazy to me considering who was left, though I do understand some teams turned down the bid. MKE Sting would not have turned it down if offered.
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Post by volleydada4 on May 15, 2023 14:12:04 GMT -5
I don’t believe teams at the 16s or 17s age group would ever turn down an at large USAV OPEN bid. Especially teams that have played OPEN level all year long. As a club, It’s literally the pinnacle of competition and exposure in the sport. Isn’t that the point of this thing? One poster says they have a source that says multiple teams turned down at large bids (not OPEN at large Bids) and lots of people just run with it? Typical for misinformation in today’s day and age… Sorry I don’t buy it. It’s like a soccer club in Europe turning down the opportunity to play in the Premier League. Just seems very unrealistic. Especially with the parity you’ve seen this season in both age groups, who would give up an opportunity to go on a run and win it all? Sure they would. You don’t want to wait to book flights and hotels until mid-May. So if a team failed to qualify at their last qualifier a month ago, it’s totally reasonable to just commit to AAUs so everybody can make their travel arrangements. Financially, it couldn’t be further from your premier league example. Financially, I’d agree with you the if the timing of announcements would cause flights to be booked only couple of weeks in advance. In this case, you’re talking 6-7 weeks. Which is within the window (1-3 months) to get the best possible prices on flights. Hotel blocks are held in advance by clubs. Especially clubs that are in the running for Open Bids At Nationals year in and year out. They don’t raise the price for certain age groups that might be waiting for an at large bid. Have to agree to disagree with your assessment financially here. All that said, the bottom line for me is that I don’t buy that rumor that multiple clubs were turning down open level bids. Other levels I can see it. Priorities are different and competitiveness of parents are different at other levels. Based off the teams that ended up getting the At-large bids at the open level, and the teams people are angry about getting passed over for at large bids at the open level, I don’t see any evidence other than the rumor on this message board that clubs were actively turning those at large open bids down.
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Post by vbtalk on Jun 1, 2023 12:24:10 GMT -5
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Post by westie13 on Jun 5, 2023 11:52:30 GMT -5
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