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Post by legolas9 on Nov 27, 2022 14:08:05 GMT -5
I am still shocked they got extended… Just looked at the recap from last night's season ending loss to TCU. Interesting quote from Gray-Walton: "Man, I think the competitive spirit is at an all-time high. What we learned this season is success takes time and is process oriented. This group really did buy into it, and I hope that they can find a way to re-engage and kind of dive deeper into that … because then, we're a scary group." Weird quote after the little I watched tcu dominated them. Tcu was third and lowa state was right behind at 4. So they are far behind the fourth place spot. Now they have talent and could see a jump next year.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 27, 2022 14:12:14 GMT -5
Duke's traditional recruiting ground isn't North Carolina. It's the BOS-WASH corridor - which is the worst recruiting area in the country for VB (but very good for other sports where Duke is consistently good and can ride Jersey kids). Outside of Stanford, none of the P5 high-academic private schools (Duke, ND, Northwestern, BC, Wake?) have been all that successful despite common thinking that they should be able to be elite. Stanford might be a bit of an outlier based on tradition, and maybe the high-academics isn't the advantage commonly thought. It can be a big draw for recruits - but maybe for recruits who are less focused on volleyball? This will also be interesting with Vandy launching. Hmm, I don't really buy the argument that Duke shouldn't be expected to recruit its own state, even if they've historically recruited elsewhere. I just looked at their women's basketball, women's soccer and softball rosters, and there are lots of athletes from all over the country. UNC owns the state. WBB has one in-state player (transfer from UGA) and softball has one in-state player (transfer from MSU). Soccer has three (on a roster of 25), but I don't think they're beating UNC for many/any of those recruits. Obviously Duke gets players from all over, but the base is the Northeast, and they are strongest at sports where that region is strong in preps. Look at the MLax roster, for example.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 14:17:39 GMT -5
This is what you post if your fighting to convince administration to keep you another year Indiana overperformed this year; Aird is secure as he has ever been. Do people really still think that one walkon’s tirade from before this overperforming season started is going to change anything at Indiana? It was more than 1 and more than Indiana kids. But she got the attention bec of the Tik Toks. There is another former player in a new program still throwing shade at him on tik tok
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Post by bbg95 on Nov 27, 2022 14:21:45 GMT -5
Hmm, I don't really buy the argument that Duke shouldn't be expected to recruit its own state, even if they've historically recruited elsewhere. I just looked at their women's basketball, women's soccer and softball rosters, and there are lots of athletes from all over the country. UNC owns the state. WBB has one in-state player (transfer from UGA) and softball has one in-state player (transfer from MSU). Soccer has three (on a roster of 25), but I don't think they're beating UNC for many/any of those recruits. Obviously Duke gets players from all over, but the base is the Northeast, and they are strongest at sports where that region is strong in preps. Look at the MLax roster, for example. I understand what you're saying. But I don't think the Duke administration will accept the excuse that there isn't enough talent in the Northeast forever. Again, if that's the case, then they have to recruit other parts of the country to get enough talent that they can be competitive in their conference.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Nov 27, 2022 14:33:42 GMT -5
UNC owns the state. WBB has one in-state player (transfer from UGA) and softball has one in-state player (transfer from MSU). Soccer has three (on a roster of 25), but I don't think they're beating UNC for many/any of those recruits. Obviously Duke gets players from all over, but the base is the Northeast, and they are strongest at sports where that region is strong in preps. Look at the MLax roster, for example. I understand what you're saying. But I don't think the Duke administration will accept the excuse that there isn't enough talent in the Northeast forever. Again, if that's the case, then they have to recruit other parts of the country to get enough talent that they can be competitive in their conference. I agree with that. My post was to question the common knowledge that a super-high academic private should be an elite/top team (since all of them except Stanford regularly struggle to make the tournament) and especially point out that Duke isn't even well-positioned compared to say, ND or Northwestern.
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Post by madden55 on Nov 27, 2022 14:37:04 GMT -5
Lots of mizzou players are entering the portal soon. Cox would be a good pick up for most schools
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2022 14:37:12 GMT -5
Love the quality reporting here. The first para says they are parting with the women’s volleyball coach lol
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Post by mervinswerved on Nov 27, 2022 14:37:17 GMT -5
Duke's best years were when their team was full of kids from Florida and the Midwest. Volleyball hasn't typically drawn from the northeast, nor should it have to.
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Post by bbg95 on Nov 27, 2022 14:38:30 GMT -5
I understand what you're saying. But I don't think the Duke administration will accept the excuse that there isn't enough talent in the Northeast forever. Again, if that's the case, then they have to recruit other parts of the country to get enough talent that they can be competitive in their conference. I agree with that. My post was to question the common knowledge that a super-high academic private should be an elite/top team (since all of them except Stanford regularly struggle to make the tournament) and especially point out that Duke isn't even well-positioned compared to say, ND or Northwestern. Fair enough. I agree with you that the jury is still out on whether non-Stanford elite private schools can compete at the highest levels of women's volleyball. Edit: Now that I think of it, USC has done very well for a top private school too, but they had a huge geographic advantage over the others except Stanford.
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Post by InfoBot on Nov 27, 2022 14:38:58 GMT -5
I understand what you're saying. But I don't think the Duke administration will accept the excuse that there isn't enough talent in the Northeast forever. Again, if that's the case, then they have to recruit other parts of the country to get enough talent that they can be competitive in their conference. I agree with that. My post was to question the common knowledge that a super-high academic private should be an elite/top team (since all of them except Stanford regularly struggle to make the tournament) and especially point out that Duke isn't even well-positioned compared to say, ND or Northwestern. I never said they should be elite or top, just that they should be better than they have been (10th in the ACC this year).
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Post by hornshouse23 on Nov 27, 2022 14:45:28 GMT -5
Lots of mizzou players are entering the portal soon. Cox would be a good pick up for most schools Literally surprising no one but I’m not ready for the red hats to ask what’s wrong with the Taylor’s all summer long.
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Post by juancook on Nov 27, 2022 14:46:29 GMT -5
To be fair, some of the best high school players in California come from the highly-regarded and academically rigorous prep/private schools in California (Mater Dei, Cathedral Catholic in San Diego, Harvard-Westlake, etc). Thus why Stanford regularly (and almost exclusively) recruits in California and from these schools. They know they have the grades and smarts to get into Stanford because of that prep education and environment.
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Post by mervinswerved on Nov 27, 2022 14:51:37 GMT -5
. Thus why Stanford regularly (and almost exclusively) recruits in California and from these schools. Almost half their volleyball team is from outside California.
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Post by bbg95 on Nov 27, 2022 15:00:18 GMT -5
. Thus why Stanford regularly (and almost exclusively) recruits in California and from these schools. Almost half their volleyball team is from outside California. Right. Stanford can easily recruit the entire country.
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Post by vbnerd on Nov 27, 2022 15:57:45 GMT -5
. Thus why Stanford regularly (and almost exclusively) recruits in California and from these schools. Almost half their volleyball team is from outside California. I thought he meant that the university recruits California, not necessarily the volleyball or athletic programs. The volleyball team hasn't been California based for a long time - Fokl, Tom, Nnamani (x2), Richards, Kehoe, Faluke, Girard, Okagbaa, Lutz, Spelman, Inky, Hentz, Grey, Fitzmaurice... just to name a few of the better out to state players. Now, why can't Duke land these players? I don't know. They've all ended up at Stanford for a reason. I know a player who ended up at Stanford who visited Duke, and she was surprised how many players were away for the summer, working in Congress, doing research, traveling abroad, etc. I have the impression that Duke has been more focused on the student part than the athlete part. I'm not sure if that direction is set by Jolie or the admin, or if that was a one year thing when they didn't think they'd be good anyway - no idea - but if you have national team or pro aspirations I could see that being a problem. If you are planning to be a CEO or member of Congress, I could see that being a bonus. The big picture is that Duke finally appears to have a direction in football. Men's and women's basketball don't appear to need a lot of attention, they are winning in soccer. If they choose to spend some more time and resources on volleyball and field hockey, they could. They brought in two assistant coaches in May so I hope they don't dump the staff yet but I see it and the rest of the department is stable enough that if the admin are looking for a project, this could be it.
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