bluepenquin
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 31, 2022 10:17:58 GMT -5
I am in no way saying that Bechard should be on the hot seat or Kansas has underperformed. We disagree on the relevancy of Kansas backyard. The Kansas City pipeline of talent is easily large enough to sustain a top VB program. Define "top." If we're talking about top ten, then there definitely isn't enough talent in KC to support that. When KU made the final four in 2015, only Soucie, Wait, and Church are from Kansas. They built that run on kids from out of their region. This may be more of a sign that the KC talent wasn't as good back then? Since then: 2016: Pittman, Fitzmorris, Grey, A.Hart 2017: Madison Lilly, Cooney, Omazic, Sweet 2019: Tillman, Bichelmyer, Dixon 2020: Crawford 2021: Bien, Wait, Turner I am missing several, many of these players above were/are foundational type players. And then the 2023-25 classes are outstanding. I am not saying that one only has to recruit from their home base (top programs have to be able to recruit everywhere), but that it offers a foundation. The KU 2024 class is taking talent out of Chicago, Minneapolis, and Des Moines.
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 31, 2022 10:22:44 GMT -5
Define "top." If we're talking about top ten, then there definitely isn't enough talent in KC to support that. When KU made the final four in 2015, only Soucie, Wait, and Church are from Kansas. They built that run on kids from out of their region. This may be more of a sign that the KC talent wasn't as good back then? Since then: 2016: Pittman, Fitzmorris, Grey, A.Hart 2017: Madison Lilly, Cooney, Omazic, Sweet 2019: Tillman, Bichelmyer, Dixon 2020: Crawford 2021: Bien, Wait, Turner I am missing several, many of these players above were/are foundational type players. And then the 2023-25 classes are outstanding. I am not saying that one only has to recruit from their home base (top programs have to be able to recruit everywhere), but that it offers a foundation. The KU 2024 class is taking talent out of Chicago, Minneapolis, and Des Moines. How many of those kids went to Kansas? If you get all the players from the KC region, then sure, you're a top level team. But even the elite teams don't do that.
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Post by Friday on Aug 31, 2022 10:52:13 GMT -5
Kentucky's recruiting is very much not limited to their backyard. But SEC money and SEC branding dwarfs the Big 12, especially going forward with Texas in the SEC. I wonder how big you are considering Kansas's "backyard"? If we're just talking KC, ok. There's a decent amount of talent there. But there isn't another city with a big amount of talent for miles. Kentucky has Louisville and Cincinnati within 90 minutes. And Indianapolis and Columbus within 3. I am in no way saying that Bechard should be on the hot seat or Kansas has underperformed. We disagree on the relevancy of Kansas backyard. The Kansas City pipeline of talent is easily large enough to sustain a top VB program. However, the SEC money and branding is interesting as it relates to the future of VB. I have considered KU, Kentucky and North Carolina to be in a similar position to move up (over the past 10 years). But how much impact will/does the SEC and money play? Will there be any 'top' VB teams outside of B1G/SEC within the next 5-10 years? I guess we could already say that the B1G/PAC has dominated VB for the previous ~ 20 years. Curious if this will make its way down to MBB? I think SEC money, facilities, sports enthusiasm is going to be a big factor going forward. Throw in NIL - several SEC programs are leading the charge in that arena too. They largely benefit from the football revenue and that will be even more true once OU and UT join the SEC.
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Post by SayonaraTachikara on Aug 31, 2022 14:35:07 GMT -5
I would agree with this, but I don't agree that there is not an area to pull talent from in the vicinity. There's certainly talent in the area. I didn't see anyone say otherwise. Sorry, The talent comment was directed toward n00b's commentary about only pulling from KC.
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Post by n00b on Aug 31, 2022 19:48:46 GMT -5
Kentucky's recruiting is very much not limited to their backyard. But SEC money and SEC branding dwarfs the Big 12, especially going forward with Texas in the SEC. I wonder how big you are considering Kansas's "backyard"? If we're just talking KC, ok. There's a decent amount of talent there. But there isn't another city with a big amount of talent for miles. Kentucky has Louisville and Cincinnati within 90 minutes. And Indianapolis and Columbus within 3. I am in no way saying that Bechard should be on the hot seat or Kansas has underperformed. We disagree on the relevancy of Kansas backyard. The Kansas City pipeline of talent is easily large enough to sustain a top VB program. However, the SEC money and branding is interesting as it relates to the future of VB. I have considered KU, Kentucky and North Carolina to be in a similar position to move up (over the past 10 years). But how much impact will/does the SEC and money play? Will there be any 'top' VB teams outside of B1G/SEC within the next 5-10 years? I guess we could already say that the B1G/PAC has dominated VB for the previous ~ 20 years. Curious if this will make its way down to MBB? I suppose how big of a group you're talking about when you say 'among the top volleyball programs in the country'. Top 30? Sure. Top 10 (like Kentucky), I just don't see it.
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Post by jaypak on Sept 10, 2022 12:19:36 GMT -5
Wyoming, picked 4th in the MWC, is struggling. Lost to Winthrop today. Now 2-7.
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Post by calvin23 on Oct 4, 2022 8:32:05 GMT -5
Some P5 teams that are struggling early this conference season (with coaches that have been there 4+ years):
Boston College Duke UNC West Virginia Mizzou Arizona Cal UCLA
Any of these seats warmer than most?
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Post by n00b on Oct 4, 2022 8:35:34 GMT -5
Some P5 teams that are struggling early this conference season (with coaches that have been there 4+ years): Boston College Duke UNC West Virginia Mizzou Arizona Cal UCLA Any of these seats warmer than most? West Virginia got an at large last year for the first time in forever. No way Reed is on the hot seat for results.
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Post by trojansc on Oct 4, 2022 8:39:46 GMT -5
Some P5 teams that are struggling early this conference season (with coaches that have been there 4+ years): Boston College Duke UNC West Virginia Mizzou Arizona Cal UCLA Any of these seats warmer than most? West Virginia got an at large last year for the first time in forever. No way Reed is on the hot seat for results. Wasn't it the first ever for West Virginia? Maybe BC needs to go internationally. Still wanna believe in Jason Kennedy!
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Post by mervinswerved on Oct 4, 2022 9:02:41 GMT -5
lol at having Reed and Joe on a hot seat list.
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on Oct 4, 2022 9:37:54 GMT -5
I don't know that Rubio or Sagula would ever be on the hot seat at this point. More likely close to retirement.
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Post by notvballdad on Oct 4, 2022 10:26:34 GMT -5
lol at having Reed and Joe on a hot seat list. Agreed on this one. WVU lost a ton of upperclassmen from last year, completely reloaded this year, are basically starting all freshmen that had never played together and in a short period are taking Texas Tech to 5 sets and a TCU team with tons of experience and super seniors to 5 sets on the road shows growth in a really short period of time, which, to me is a testament to coaching. Inexperience has gotten them in both matches in terms of poise and learning to close but when you have a bunch of 18 years olds playing against 22 and 23 year olds, there is a maturity difference. Let's talk about WVU next year or in 2 years and if they still aren't over the hump, then we have something to discuss.
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Post by mervinswerved on Oct 4, 2022 10:51:27 GMT -5
lol at having Reed and Joe on a hot seat list. Agreed on this one. WVU lost a ton of upperclassmen from last year, completely reloaded this year, are basically starting all freshmen that had never played together and in a short period are taking Texas Tech to 5 sets and a TCU team with tons of experience and super seniors to 5 sets on the road shows growth in a really short period of time, which, to me is a testament to coaching. Inexperience has gotten them in both matches in terms of poise and learning to close but when you have a bunch of 18 years olds playing against 22 and 23 year olds, there is a maturity difference. Let's talk about WVU next year or in 2 years and if they still aren't over the hump, then we have something to discuss. Making an NCAA tournament at West Virginia counts as "over the hump."
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Post by c4ndlelight on Oct 4, 2022 11:01:35 GMT -5
Some P5 teams that are struggling early this conference season (with coaches that have been there 4+ years): Boston College Duke UNC West Virginia Mizzou Arizona Cal UCLA Any of these seats warmer than most? Are we just assuming Oregon St. is making a change?
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Post by hipsterfilth on Oct 4, 2022 11:06:50 GMT -5
The only reason Segula's seat would be hot is because he won't have left it. We can all only dream of that level of job security.
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