|
Post by n00b on Aug 30, 2022 22:10:21 GMT -5
There is no reason KU shouldn't be among the top VB programs in the country. I strongly disagree.
|
|
|
Post by vbjustice on Aug 31, 2022 3:54:05 GMT -5
In my opinion, the hottest seats; Oregon St, Georgia, Loyola, Nevada, and Michigan. Again, all my opinion, but I've seen contracts. I predicted 7 correct last year Posting my opinions... -keep in mind, this is women's volleyball, not men's basketball or football. The majority of the coaches won't have their contract renewed not fired or resigned. Not unless a donor is willing to buy out the contract, no one is being given money to not coach volleyball. -Hot Seat can always turn warm or cold. -contracts will expire unless something happens -just my opinion, I don't think anyone should be fired, I think the following has a warm seat at least. Pac-12 Oregon St. 11-47 in the P12 the last 3 years Colorado (29-51 last 4 pac12) Big 10 Michigan (39-34 last 4, big 10) Big12 Kansas St (28-52 big 12 last 5) Kansas (28-36 big 12 last 4) SEC Georgia (new ad, 44-50 in sec) Arkansas (34-46 in the last four sec seasons) Mississippi St (8-52 in sec) WCC Loyola (24-28 in wcc the last 3 years, 1st losing season in 10 years) St Marys (34-38 in wcc last four) Pacific (25-38 in wcc last four) If Miss St were to get rid of Darty, I would be astonished. She's done more with that program than anyone else ever has. I think you're off base with this prediction. Could not agree more! And she got major senior performers to return rather than transfer. Recruiting outlook looks positive. She’s definitely safe.
|
|
|
Post by vbjustice on Aug 31, 2022 3:59:33 GMT -5
Thinking Byrd’s seat is a bit warm at A&M. Think this is her contract year and seems like the program has dropped a bit since they forced the Corbelli’s out. Hmmm she has the right talent this year to improve things in her favor but let’s see what happens.
|
|
|
Post by gibbyb1 on Aug 31, 2022 7:39:46 GMT -5
There is no reason KU shouldn't be among the top VB programs in the country. I strongly disagree. It really depends on what the definition of top programs is.
|
|
bluepenquin
Hall of Fame
4-Time VolleyTalk Poster of the Year (2019, 2018, 2017, 2016), All-VolleyTalk 1st Team (2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016)
Posts: 12,446
Member is Online
|
Post by bluepenquin on Aug 31, 2022 8:02:36 GMT -5
There is no reason KU shouldn't be among the top VB programs in the country. I strongly disagree. I am curious as to why? Seems like they should be similar to a Kentucky (who I consider one of the top programs in the country just outside that elite tier). The amount of talent in their backyard is huge.
|
|
|
Post by n00b on Aug 31, 2022 8:15:02 GMT -5
I am curious as to why? Seems like they should be similar to a Kentucky (who I consider one of the top programs in the country just outside that elite tier). The amount of talent in their backyard is huge. Kentucky's recruiting is very much not limited to their backyard. But SEC money and SEC branding dwarfs the Big 12, especially going forward with Texas in the SEC. I wonder how big you are considering Kansas's "backyard"? If we're just talking KC, ok. There's a decent amount of talent there. But there isn't another city with a big amount of talent for miles. Kentucky has Louisville and Cincinnati within 90 minutes. And Indianapolis and Columbus within 3.
|
|
|
Post by SayonaraTachikara on Aug 31, 2022 8:21:26 GMT -5
I am curious as to why? Seems like they should be similar to a Kentucky (who I consider one of the top programs in the country just outside that elite tier). The amount of talent in their backyard is huge. Kentucky's recruiting is very much not limited to their backyard. But SEC money and SEC branding dwarfs the Big 12, especially going forward with Texas in the SEC. I wonder how big you are considering Kansas's "backyard"? If we're just talking KC, ok. There's a decent amount of talent there. But there isn't another city with a big amount of talent for miles. Kentucky has Louisville and Cincinnati within 90 minutes. And Indianapolis and Columbus within 3. Along with KC, I would include the states of NE, CO and IA ( Not huge cities I get it). I would consider those pretty close, and deep with talent to pull from. Granted, there is a ton of schools to compete with in the area but I think that was the point.
|
|
|
Post by mervinswerved on Aug 31, 2022 8:27:09 GMT -5
I think Kansas has overperformed the last ten years. That final four in 2015 was a hell of an accomplishment.
|
|
|
Post by SayonaraTachikara on Aug 31, 2022 8:51:50 GMT -5
I think Kansas has overperformed the last ten years. That final four in 2015 was a hell of an accomplishment. I would agree with this, but I don't agree that there is not an area to pull talent from in the vicinity.
|
|
|
Post by n00b on Aug 31, 2022 8:52:00 GMT -5
Kentucky's recruiting is very much not limited to their backyard. But SEC money and SEC branding dwarfs the Big 12, especially going forward with Texas in the SEC. I wonder how big you are considering Kansas's "backyard"? If we're just talking KC, ok. There's a decent amount of talent there. But there isn't another city with a big amount of talent for miles. Kentucky has Louisville and Cincinnati within 90 minutes. And Indianapolis and Columbus within 3. Along with KC, I would include the states of NE, CO and IA ( Not huge cities I get it). I would consider those pretty close, and deep with talent to pull from. Granted, there is a ton of schools to compete with in the area but I think that was the point. Sure. But if we're expanding that radius, Kentucky's "backyard" gets even better too with some REALLY good midwest volleyball cities.
|
|
bluepenquin
Hall of Fame
4-Time VolleyTalk Poster of the Year (2019, 2018, 2017, 2016), All-VolleyTalk 1st Team (2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016)
Posts: 12,446
Member is Online
|
Post by bluepenquin on Aug 31, 2022 9:03:16 GMT -5
I am curious as to why? Seems like they should be similar to a Kentucky (who I consider one of the top programs in the country just outside that elite tier). The amount of talent in their backyard is huge. Kentucky's recruiting is very much not limited to their backyard. But SEC money and SEC branding dwarfs the Big 12, especially going forward with Texas in the SEC. I wonder how big you are considering Kansas's "backyard"? If we're just talking KC, ok. There's a decent amount of talent there. But there isn't another city with a big amount of talent for miles. Kentucky has Louisville and Cincinnati within 90 minutes. And Indianapolis and Columbus within 3. I am in no way saying that Bechard should be on the hot seat or Kansas has underperformed. We disagree on the relevancy of Kansas backyard. The Kansas City pipeline of talent is easily large enough to sustain a top VB program. However, the SEC money and branding is interesting as it relates to the future of VB. I have considered KU, Kentucky and North Carolina to be in a similar position to move up (over the past 10 years). But how much impact will/does the SEC and money play? Will there be any 'top' VB teams outside of B1G/SEC within the next 5-10 years? I guess we could already say that the B1G/PAC has dominated VB for the previous ~ 20 years. Curious if this will make its way down to MBB?
|
|
|
Post by mervinswerved on Aug 31, 2022 9:34:07 GMT -5
I think Kansas has overperformed the last ten years. That final four in 2015 was a hell of an accomplishment. I would agree with this, but I don't agree that there is not an area to pull talent from in the vicinity. There's certainly talent in the area. I didn't see anyone say otherwise.
|
|
bluepenquin
Hall of Fame
4-Time VolleyTalk Poster of the Year (2019, 2018, 2017, 2016), All-VolleyTalk 1st Team (2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016)
Posts: 12,446
Member is Online
|
Post by bluepenquin on Aug 31, 2022 9:41:25 GMT -5
I think Kansas has overperformed the last ten years. That final four in 2015 was a hell of an accomplishment. One could think that 2015 was a major accomplishment (which it was) and still believe that 2015 offered a huge opportunity coupled with the rise of the KC talent for the program to make a big step forward.
|
|
|
Post by mervinswerved on Aug 31, 2022 9:43:14 GMT -5
Kentucky's recruiting is very much not limited to their backyard. But SEC money and SEC branding dwarfs the Big 12, especially going forward with Texas in the SEC. I wonder how big you are considering Kansas's "backyard"? If we're just talking KC, ok. There's a decent amount of talent there. But there isn't another city with a big amount of talent for miles. Kentucky has Louisville and Cincinnati within 90 minutes. And Indianapolis and Columbus within 3. I am in no way saying that Bechard should be on the hot seat or Kansas has underperformed. We disagree on the relevancy of Kansas backyard. The Kansas City pipeline of talent is easily large enough to sustain a top VB program. Define "top." If we're talking about top ten, then there definitely isn't enough talent in KC to support that. When KU made the final four in 2015, only Soucie, Wait, and Church are from Kansas. They built that run on kids from out of their region. It's unscientific, but I think volleyball "mattering" to a school is at least as important as the money they put behind it. Often that's synonymous, but not always. If you gave Rashinda Reed a blank check I'm sure that'd go a long way, but you're going to run into the fact I don't think volleyball really matters to Alabama. Or Ole Miss, or any number of SEC schools in the way it matters to Wisconsin or Penn State or Florida. Of course, you can argue those teams made their programs matter to their schools, but it's a pretty saturated sport and anyone trying to break into those ranks has a real climb in front of them. Kentucky poured a ton of resources into volleyball because of what Craig was building, but they also had Craig Skinner to deploy those resources effectively.
|
|
|
Post by vbnerd on Aug 31, 2022 9:44:05 GMT -5
You nailed 7 out of 58 coaching changes and that's supposed to be impressive? And when you are putting first-year coaches, and interim coaches, and a coach who signed a 5 year extension THIS MONTH on a hot seat list, you are just throwing darts. my hot seat list didn’t include 58 but nice try. You did boast about a win over the 161 ranked Santa Clara team. I did notice you ignored my fact based conference record post. Yeah, I couldn't comment on something I didn't understand. I am not aware of anyone playing a conference game yet this season (it's 8/31/22 as I write this). If you are putting someone on the hot seat in anticipation of them losing conference games, either you have cracked the multiverse and can see the future, or you are throwing darts. And I'll explain the throwing darts analogy. If you throw enough darts you'll hit something, but when you name Alabama and Maryland and Fresno and Mississippi State, you've already shown that you don't really know where the board is. Even if you hit something, it's not about skill. And there are 58 new coaches in D1 this fall. You said you called 7 of them, that's 7 of 58.
|
|