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Post by stanfankev on Sept 10, 2022 22:28:40 GMT -5
To those who watched this match, what would you say was the difference tonight for Stanford compared to last night? Seems like they passed better and got more serves in. Is that it??
Also what did Rubin do differently tonight to be successful? More variety in hitting/not hitting into the block?
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Post by HappyVolley on Sept 10, 2022 22:36:51 GMT -5
Predictions for tomorrow anyone? MN 3-1 Stanford ORE 3-1 PSU Stanford will be hungry tomorrow no doubt but feel like they might be out of gas. Tall order for MN, especially Landfair though after such a hard fought match. Oregon I feel like will be Penn State rather easily. OK, Zoomer.
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Post by mcmike on Sept 10, 2022 22:49:57 GMT -5
VB is fundamentally a serve and pass game If you can give your pins 1 on 1 opportunities you are a favorite They served with pace and we didn’t pass Aside from Shaff and McGhie (a bit) we rarely forced the Card OOS We were outplayed in every phase What lessons will be learned from a shellacking? The 3rd set comeback showed resiliency life signs shortly extinguished at the start of the 4th Poor passing exposes Shaff’s limitations and, yes, bettering the ball is not one of her strengths. The middle connection looked to be much improved until this weekend. The game has evolved such that good teams are attacking after poor first contacts. Fleck for Texas a case in point. We’ve done it too but it wasn’t happening today. Credit to Stanford. I suspect they, maybe to nearly all, outperformed their average to this point. Let’s see how they respond.
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Post by Cruz'n on Sept 10, 2022 22:56:42 GMT -5
Am I seeing this correctly? 23 blocks by Stanford? Yikes. Stanford had 13 blocks. (10 blocks where 2 blockers contributed; and 3 solo blocks)
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Post by vbcoltrane on Sept 10, 2022 22:58:31 GMT -5
I can't believe MN managed to win game 3 after being down, only to lose at 12 in set 4. WTF?
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Post by letsbeclear on Sept 10, 2022 23:00:21 GMT -5
Minnesota I thought you were so good what happened 😭 This might be the most enlightening post I’ve ever seen on a website ever.
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Post by CompSci87 on Sept 10, 2022 23:09:20 GMT -5
Minnesota I thought you were so good what happened 😭 This might be the most enlightening post I’ve ever seen on a website ever. Or it might not.
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Post by courtwatchers on Sept 10, 2022 23:51:57 GMT -5
I've tried to keep an open mind on Shaffmaster, and she's made improvements since her freshman year. But I can't help but think that she's the greatest liability for the MN team. She does many things well: serving, blocking(usually), defense. But she doesn't consistently better the ball. She canNOT set a ball above a player's shoulder if it's not passed on top of her own head. She literally has the opposite of soft hands. And she's the starting setter. Compare that with Miner tonight. She almost always puts her hitters (especially outside hitters) in a position where they can take a rip. If the low sets are a coaching choice, then Hugh seems to be asking a player to perform something they've repeatedly demonstrated they cannot do. If Shaffmaster CAN set a hittable ball out of transiion, and the reason she isn't is because she's been coached to do something different, it should've been a pretty easy fix by now. The tempo doesn't work. Minnesota has some of the best hitters in the country and a serviceable back court. They have a B1G player of the year candidate (again) this year in Landfair. And it feels like they'll work really hard to make it to the elite eight if they're lucky. It doesn't seem like it's a lineup issue in regard to the hitters. The only players Shaffmaster is deceiving with her choices are her own teammates, and it's seeming more and more likely that it's not a question of coaching. It's Katie Schau all over again from 2014. You take basically the same team and replace their setter and you go from not making the tournament to the final four. I hope I'm wrong. I totally agree with you on all of this. What would this Gopher team look like? 6R OH Wenaas 6R OH Shaffmaster Opp Landfair with Kilkelly DS MB Gros bringing in great stats/blocking/effective slide MB Husemann much improved on her blocking and can hit a quickset when properly set Libero CC Setter either Mir Wu or Elise
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Post by gophsstudent on Sept 11, 2022 0:51:10 GMT -5
I've tried to keep an open mind on Shaffmaster, and she's made improvements since her freshman year. But I can't help but think that she's the greatest liability for the MN team. She does many things well: serving, blocking(usually), defense. But she doesn't consistently better the ball. She canNOT set a ball above a player's shoulder if it's not passed on top of her own head. She literally has the opposite of soft hands. And she's the starting setter. Compare that with Miner tonight. She almost always puts her hitters (especially outside hitters) in a position where they can take a rip. If the low sets are a coaching choice, then Hugh seems to be asking a player to perform something they've repeatedly demonstrated they cannot do. If Shaffmaster CAN set a hittable ball out of transiion, and the reason she isn't is because she's been coached to do something different, it should've been a pretty easy fix by now. The tempo doesn't work. Minnesota has some of the best hitters in the country and a serviceable back court. They have a B1G player of the year candidate (again) this year in Landfair. And it feels like they'll work really hard to make it to the elite eight if they're lucky. It doesn't seem like it's a lineup issue in regard to the hitters. The only players Shaffmaster is deceiving with her choices are her own teammates, and it's seeming more and more likely that it's not a question of coaching. It's Katie Schau all over again from 2014. You take basically the same team and replace their setter and you go from not making the tournament to the final four. I hope I'm wrong. I totally agree with you on all of this. What would this Gopher team look like? 6R OH Wenaas 6R OH Shaffmaster Opp Landfair with Kilkelly DS MB Gros bringing in great stats/blocking/effective slide MB Husemann much improved on her blocking and can hit a quickset when properly set Libero CC Setter either Mir Wu or Elise Wenaas seems much more comfortable on the right than Landfair. But I would be so curious to see how something like this would work!
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Post by jojonito on Sept 11, 2022 2:53:20 GMT -5
I can't believe MN managed to win game 3 after being down, only to lose at 12 in set 4. WTF? The only reason MN won the 3rd set was because MN went on a 10-1 run when down 17-12. That run seemed to be an anomaly as MN didn't play that well during any other part of the match.
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Post by Sbilo on Sept 11, 2022 3:22:05 GMT -5
Oh Stanford…
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Post by wonderwarthog79 on Sept 11, 2022 7:04:39 GMT -5
OK. One more time: Don’t overrate these early non-conference matches. Very nice win for Stanford. Didn’t see the match, but the stats suggest that the Card served and blocked very well,pretty much what I claim determines every game. Clearly, Minnesota was off their feed. They hit worse than Lipscomb, I think! None of this may transfer to Nebraska, but it was nice to see.
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Post by zero-rotation outside hitter on Sept 11, 2022 9:17:26 GMT -5
I've tried to keep an open mind on Shaffmaster, and she's made improvements since her freshman year. But I can't help but think that she's the greatest liability for the MN team. She does many things well: serving, blocking(usually), defense. But she doesn't consistently better the ball. She canNOT set a ball above a player's shoulder if it's not passed on top of her own head. She literally has the opposite of soft hands. And she's the starting setter. Compare that with Miner tonight. She almost always puts her hitters (especially outside hitters) in a position where they can take a rip. If the low sets are a coaching choice, then Hugh seems to be asking a player to perform something they've repeatedly demonstrated they cannot do. If Shaffmaster CAN set a hittable ball out of transiion, and the reason she isn't is because she's been coached to do something different, it should've been a pretty easy fix by now. The tempo doesn't work. Minnesota has some of the best hitters in the country and a serviceable back court. They have a B1G player of the year candidate (again) this year in Landfair. And it feels like they'll work really hard to make it to the elite eight if they're lucky. It doesn't seem like it's a lineup issue in regard to the hitters. The only players Shaffmaster is deceiving with her choices are her own teammates, and it's seeming more and more likely that it's not a question of coaching. It's Katie Schau all over again from 2014. You take basically the same team and replace their setter and you go from not making the tournament to the final four. I hope I'm wrong. I totally agree with you on all of this. What would this Gopher team look like? 6R OH Wenaas 6R OH Shaffmaster Opp Landfair with Kilkelly DS MB Gros bringing in great stats/blocking/effective slide MB Husemann much improved on her blocking and can hit a quickset when properly set Libero CC Setter either Mir Wu or Elise Honestly, I wouldn't even want Shaffmaster setting for half the rotation if she cannot consistently improve her location. I'd be more interested to see: 6R OH Landfair (six rotations) 6R OH Wenaas (I'd actually probably prefer her on the right but with the below lineup we'd need her 6 rotations) Opp Wucherer Opp Hanson (or Crowl, but good lord she seems timid) L McGraw MB Huseman MB Gros (or Booth) Then double subbing setters in the back row (take your pick of McGhie, the elder Wucherer or Ng). BUT AGAIN! I'd love to see Mel stay in there if she's the best chance this team has at scoring wins. From what I've seen in her career up to this point, however, I'm growing increasingly doubtful that her best will bring the Gophers into a final four. I realize I'm singling out a single player rather pointedly. But I'm convinced that with a setter who maybe doesn't block or defend or even serve as well Shaffmaster does, but can SET a clean, accurate ball, the Gophers would be a superior team. Time to clean it up (if you can), Mel and Hugh.
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Post by pavsec5row10 on Sept 11, 2022 9:18:01 GMT -5
Landfair with the worst play of the 2022 season No worse than Wenaas' jump serve that didn't make the 3 meter line, or any of the sets to nobody, or Husemann somehow whiffing on an overpass, she thought should be blocked, rather than put down.
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Post by pavsec5row10 on Sept 11, 2022 9:26:18 GMT -5
I only caught bits and pieces of this match, it was too painful to watch full on. Why didn't Hugh put in Naya or Crowl or someone to give some spark to MN? The whole team just looked tired. They both started. He subbed Hanson for Crowl, tried all the middles at some point, switched to McGhie for serving sub. Too bad he doesn't have 2 more DS he could have subbed for Kilkelly.
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