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Post by robtearle on Sept 17, 2022 0:53:53 GMT -5
She also missed a crucial kill in the 5th ( hit it out of bounds #13 that is) AND what was her hitting percentage for the entire match? Jade is not nearly as erratic and would have solidified the back row. We had a few lapses in the 5th set. We are a few games from regular season we have several players regressing. Put your most consistant players in in crunchtime when prudent. We are not doing that. In the place where robtearle said they write all this stuff down.. it says she got a kill to make it 13-14. I don’t know about you but I usually think four kills in the fifth set with no errors is pretty much the definition of being a consistent player in a crunchtime situation 🤷♀️ Especially with one of those kills happening when the other team is at match point. "she got a kill to make it 13-14" It was that one that crawled down the net and for a second nobody - including the officials - seemed sure which side of the net it had crawled down. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2022 0:54:23 GMT -5
She also missed a crucial kill in the 5th ( hit it out of bounds #13 that is) AND what was her hitting percentage for the entire match? Jade is not nearly as erratic and would have solidified the back row. We had a few lapses in the 5th set. We are a few games from regular season we have several players regressing. Put your most consistant players in in crunchtime when prudent. We are not doing that. In the place where robtearle said they write all this stuff down.. it says she got a kill to make it 13-14. I don’t know about you but I usually think four kills in the fifth set with no errors is pretty much the definition of being a consistent player in a crunchtime situation 🤷♀️ Especially with one of those kills happening when the other team is at match point. I already said I had the wrong set for the error. Demps in for 6 rotations would help solidify the back row. She is a difference maker on defense. She would help for when Hammill and Gülce are back there and struggling. |
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Post by bucky415 on Sept 17, 2022 0:56:29 GMT -5
Okay, I will say this. Franklin was off tonight overall. Having Franklin/Orzol/Robinson/Smrek/Demps/Wrobel/Gregorski on the potential depth chart for pin hitters for Wisconsin is an amount of depth of talent the program has never had or approached in my watching it closely since 1999. This is a huge reason for the 6-2 in my opinion, which I see as less about the setters and more about so many good hitters.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2022 0:59:48 GMT -5
She had her share so maybe it was the 4th. Whatever the case the main points importance do not hinge on which set one of Franklins 7 errors were in. Franklin - first set: two kills, two errors second set: two kills, three errors third set: two kills, two errors fourth set: zero kills, zero errors fifth set: four kills, zero errors Demps (since you are fixated on her) - first set: one kill, zero errors second set: one kill, one error third set: zero kills, zero errors fourth set: two kills, one error fifth set: zero kills, zero errors Now do the hitting percentages and something stats do not always measure unless Demps would get comparable playing time for 6 rotations is effect on fellow backrow mates. Hammill whiffs on many attacks hit in her area and Gülce for almost 3 sets was putting some major pressure on setters. Demps stabilizes the backrow. |
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Post by bucky415 on Sept 17, 2022 1:03:06 GMT -5
Franklin - first set: two kills, two errors second set: two kills, three errors third set: two kills, two errors fourth set: zero kills, zero errors fifth set: four kills, zero errors Demps (since you are fixated on her) - first set: one kill, zero errors second set: one kill, one error third set: zero kills, zero errors fourth set: two kills, one error fifth set: zero kills, zero errors Now do the hitting percentages and something stats do not always measure unless Demps would get comparable playing time for 6 rotations is effect on fellow backrow mates. Hammill whiffs on many attacks hit in her area and Gülce for almost 3 sets was putting some major pressure on setters. Demps stabilizes the backrow. |
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Post by robtearle on Sept 17, 2022 1:04:01 GMT -5
In the place where robtearle said they write all this stuff down.. it says she got a kill to make it 13-14. I don’t know about you but I usually think four kills in the fifth set with no errors is pretty much the definition of being a consistent player in a crunchtime situation 🤷♀️ Especially with one of those kills happening when the other team is at match point. I already said I had the wrong set for the error. Yeah, you started with it in the 4th, then moved it to the 5th. You're so anxious to trash Franklin in favor of Demps, I guess you're seeing things. Franklin had an off night, she only hit 0.086. Robinson hit zero, 7 kills, 7 errors. Why aren't you calling for her to be benched in favor of Demps? |
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Post by bucky415 on Sept 17, 2022 1:08:10 GMT -5
Yeah, Demps serving from a back row right side position was huge in the comeback in the third set. She did well in the fourth from the left side. Fifth sets are so random. At any rate, Demps is a great option off the bench from either pin!
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Post by Del Bocavista on Sept 17, 2022 1:27:41 GMT -5
I think the team is better with Demps on the court. I have no idea how all these pieces fit together to become a top 5 team. At this point i think they probably don't.
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Post by bucky415 on Sept 17, 2022 1:33:38 GMT -5
I think the team is better with Demps on the court. I have no idea how all these pieces fit together to become a top 5 team. At this point i think they probably don't. Demps is not a great blocker from either pin, sadly, so that is an issue. Of course, I will never, ever, ever discount how important her emergence in the role she played was in Wisconsin winning the national title in 2021! That said, Franklin and healthy Orzol, when on, give the Badgers an OOS strength I have not seen ever, watching them regularly since 1999. Having Demps/Wrobel/Gregorski off the bench is extraordinarily comforting, though! I hope none of my post is seen as discounting how great Demps is for the Badgers! |
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Post by mcmike on Sept 17, 2022 2:13:50 GMT -5
I find it remarkable that a team can win a match when the left pins hit negative over 5 sets.
That being said Wisconsin put on a show of resiliency coming back from 13-19 to win the third set.
Minnesota did something similar in their third set against Pepperdine, but had zero followthrough in the fourth.
Someone up thread cried 'chaos'. Lower ranked teams have been performing like top 10 teams against top 10 teams the last two weeks.
Extra eligibility via Covid has created a measure of chaos. It will be fascinating to see which schools will find a way to peak at tournament time because it looks like there are 15 or so teams right now that can win on any given night.
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Post by bucky415 on Sept 17, 2022 2:24:18 GMT -5
I think the team is better with Demps on the court. I have no idea how all these pieces fit together to become a top 5 team. At this point i think they probably don't. Franklin gets going, which I think is a reasonable part of the answer! |
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Post by volleyball90 on Sept 17, 2022 2:59:55 GMT -5
100% GG was terrible tonight. That was one of the worst libero performances I’ve ever seen from a top 25 team. The 3rd set and 4th set were won by just utter domination at the net. id like to see the stats around that claim….thought her passing & covesge was solid. She played at a level where I’m not sure I’d want to rewatch and grade. One thing was clear is that she was being targeted by Florida. If you are libero being targeted while playing next to Orzol and Franklin (2 players who are solid but not great passers), that is a very bad sign. For example against Nebraska in title game, Barnes only passed the ball in serve receive 13 times compared to 46 for Orzol. Orzol actually did very well that match, but Nebraska wanted no business serving to Barnes. GG’s confidence in serve receive was completely shot. She looked hesitant and scared to pass any serve and it affected whoever was next to her passing as well. Her bad passing also led to constant out of system off serve receive and snowballed into poor setting and then difficult hitting for the attackers against a very big team. The only reason we got to 5 sets is thanks to superb blocking which basically could hide our poor passing and inefficient attacking. When the Badgers had Clarke and Barnes they would literally pass with only 2 backrow players when both where there, and they could completely get away with it. That is the level of libero we want from GG. GG has been great this year and had been improving every match with Kentucky being her best match and something that made her look special. Today was not her day, it was a real freshmen moment. I expect her to bounce back. |
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Post by tomclen on Sept 17, 2022 4:42:10 GMT -5
Has there ever been a pre-conference match in volleyball that had a crowd with that size and intensity?
It had the look and feel of a national championship match* in mid-September. All coming just a few days after ESPN put a pre-conference match on their main channel!
Strikes me as an amazing mile-post for VB popularity.
*It was actually more exciting for a casual fan to watch than a national championship match, because those matches tend to be filled with a lot of nonpartisan big shots who are mostly sitting on their hands.
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Post by Wiswell on Sept 17, 2022 5:47:11 GMT -5
The Badgers have two losses. Both against top 20 teams, both went five sets, and both they could have won with a bounce here of there going their way. The team that wins the B1G this year is going to have maybe four, maybe five conference losses. It's gonna be a grind. Tonight's comeback will serve them well during that grind. Get ready for it. Congrats to Florida. Their block touches slowed the Badger offense greatly in the first couple sets and then again at the end. The Badgers didn't give themselves a decent chance to win for the longest time in tonights match. Unforced hitting error after error. And there were plenty of plays that Florida didn't have a good block formed and we just would hit long, hit long, hit out, rinse repeat... The Badgers are and have been overated. Some players are actually regressing. Once again a good share of our errors were unforced. Florida is a good team bit nowhere near Texas, Ohio State and so forth. Ok, so you say GG was terrible, but then go on to rant about the unforced errors. It was the unforced errors that lost them this match. Go watch set 1. It was ridiculous. Stop pointing fingers at one person. I swear, people see one shanked SR and then it's like that gets replayed over and over. And, let's play along for just one minute.... GG was playing in front of a huge crowd of 16,833 people with huge expectations. This was a group effort. Except for Hart. She had a good match. |
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Post by VolleyFanFL on Sept 17, 2022 7:20:28 GMT -5
Has there ever been a pre-conference match in volleyball that had a crowd with that size and intensity? It had the look and feel of a national championship match* in mid-September. All coming just a few days after ESPN put a pre-conference match on their main channel! Strikes me as an amazing mile-post for VB popularity. *It was actually more exciting for a casual fan to watch than a national championship match, because those matches tend to be filled with a lot of nonpartisan big shots who are mostly sitting on their hands.Agree, exciting times for volleyball in the US. Hopefully this will translate to Mens VB and mean greater TV exposure! |
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