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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 25, 2022 22:22:33 GMT -5
I'm going to quote Sheffield post match interview about the 6-2 v the 5-1.
Basically, he points out that it is a very different style of scoring. In a 5-1, the badgers have been about the best team in the country the last 6 or 7 years in first ball side out percentage. When they are in system, they have been very hard to stop. The question is whether that would still be true in a 5-1 now, without Carlini or Hilley setting.
That is not the same in a 6-2. They become less effective at first ball side out. But that gets balanced against a much stronger presence at the net and an overall better defensive performance. He feels their defensive numbers are the best since he has been at UW. More points are scored in transition, which he says the badgers are also much better at than in prior years. They have never had a libero who can set as well OOS when the setter gets attacked in the backrow, so that is a lot of it.
All that said, it's all a work in progress. He said that the passers (which means GG) were really jumpy at the beginning of this match. GG was calling balls really early and taking them off Franklin and Orzol even though they had a much better line. He sees this as youthful exuberance in a loud environment. It will get better. It took them a while to adjust. They needed to serve well, and they just had too many errors ("We gave away 17 points on errors in the first set!"). He wasn't that happy with the connections to the hitters. And felt the block was not very good tonight.That negates the value of the 6-2.
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Post by volleystan on Sept 25, 2022 22:23:02 GMT -5
Weird to me that no one is mentioning blocking - WI’s block was non-existent. We’ve talked setter, liberos, Smrek, but the blocking difference was the real culprit here. Yes, I mentioned it but in the Wisconsin thread. Sets 2 and 3 the Gophers hit .400 and .432. Shall we say teeing off. The Badgers started off in Set 1 with better formed blocking but things went to hell from there. Yes exact same thoughts |
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Post by ndodge on Sept 25, 2022 22:33:21 GMT -5
To those who have now seen both play, how does Shanel bump setting compare to GG ? - given Sheffield’s post game comments. If GG is notably better that could keep her spot obviously. I also wonder how much long term development goals play into a potential decision ? As in letting GG grow vs swapping. And Shanel initial comments upon announcing her commitment were that she’d be fine in any role whatsoever even just being in the gym, so that’s a plus for chemistry / competition factor
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2022 22:37:25 GMT -5
I'm going to quote Sheffield post match interview about the 6-2 v the 5-1. Basically, he points out that it is a very different style of scoring. In a 5-1, the badgers have been about the best team in the country the last 6 or 7 years in first ball side out percentage. When they are in system, they have been very hard to stop. The question is whether that would still be true in a 5-1 now, without Carlini or Hilley setting. That is not the same in a 6-2. They become less effective at first ball side out. But that gets balanced against a much stronger presence at the net and an overall better defensive performance. He feels their defensive numbers are the best since he has been at UW. More points are scored in transition, which he says the badgers are also much better at than in prior years. They have never had a libero who can set as well OOS when the setter gets attacked in the backrow, so that is a lot of it. All that said, it's all a work in progress. He said that the passers (which means GG) were really jumpy at the beginning of this match. GG was calling balls really early and taking them off Franklin and Orzol even though they had a much better line. He sees this as youthful exuberance in a loud environment. It will get better. It took them a while to adjust. They needed to serve well, and they just had too many errors ("We gave away 17 points on errors in the first set!"). He wasn't that happy with the connections to the hitters. And felt the block was not very good tonight.That negates the value of the 6-2. So much of the improvement starts with the libero. Things would have been so different had Gülce been able to ease into the 6-2 system with the Badgers as a backrow DS for Franklin with Bramshreiber stablizing at libero during season start. We were OOS so often I'm not sure how much you can bag on the setters this evening. Poor blocking mystifies me. Were we outcoached. We seemed to be in the wrong place quite often in sets 2 and 3. |
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 25, 2022 22:49:11 GMT -5
To those who have now seen both play, how does Shanel bump setting compare to GG ? - given Sheffield’s post game comments. If GG is notably better that could keep her spot obviously. I also wonder how much long term development goals play into a potential decision ? As in letting GG grow vs swapping. And Shanel initial comments upon announcing her commitment were that she’d be fine in any role whatsoever even just being in the gym, so that’s a plus for chemistry / competition factor This is a good question. I don't remember Bramschreiber setting OOS so I can't say. That said, I think Sheffield's mindset is development from his comments. He thinks GG just has to learn to play in these environments, and to trust her teammates a little. I think they have to figure out the space that she will take up. I remember Clark took most of a season to get to that point. She was a dicey passer, and couldn't set OOS worth anything when she started and wasn't great defensively to begin. She was way too reactive and passive. That changed at some point, almost on a dime. Shoulder injury may have played a role. Barnes also struggled to pass her first season, and into the beginning of her second. He's clearly a bit frustrated with the discipline of the block and the passing, serving and the hitting errors tonight. As at the Kohl Center, some of the team got wound too tight. But he's clearly acting like these are all things they can get better at. He credited the gophers with hitting some amazing shots out of system in the final set. The badgers had the upper hand in many of those points and lost em. But they put themselves in the position of having to win a final do or die set. |
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Post by bballnut90 on Sept 25, 2022 22:52:23 GMT -5
Just watched--what an entertaining third set. Huge props to Shaffmaster, this was the best I've seen her play. Located sets well, attacked brilliantly and had some good middle sets early to open things up for the pins. She's quite fun to watch when she plays like this so I hope she keeps it up. Landfair is an absolute beast, she reminds me of Haneef on the pin. Just hits over the block with ease and seems to be really coming into her own this year. Wucherer I thought was fantastic too. Cannon of an arm and one of the smoothest approaches I've seen. Minnesota will be a handful with those 2 for a long time.
Wisconsin just didn't look good, plain and simple. I thought Franklin had a really nice night mixing up shots and she had McGraw's number most of the match. As for the rest of the Badgers, it just wasn't pretty. The libero looked quite mediocre IMO. Had some nice digs but couldn't pass and missed a couple of serves too. The setting was just bad unless Ashburn got a perfect pass. Her setting down the stretch looked timid as she went to Franklin over and over and over instead of mixing it up.
Players rarely looked like they were able to get full swings in system, and middles and RS were not utilized nearly enough. Hammill just didn't look good at all. Badgers will have up and down games but this was definitely a step back tonight.
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Post by vbdiva2 on Sept 25, 2022 22:56:29 GMT -5
Baby girl... he's running a %*$#ty 6-2 to apiece a 9 year program member (Izzy) ... he has Shrek, which clearly is unstoppable in the middle, trying to run her on RS like she's doing something there... Has the best potential Libero (Orzol) and likely one of the best freshman OH's (Wrobel) riding the pine and yet he chooses this garbage line up... Are we really going to depend on 80 swings from Franklin every match, 40 of which will be out or blocked... he's not a visionary, lacks the fortitude, that's very apparent. Winning a national championship as nothing to do with the coach, just look at Jerrod Elliot... I'm a little confused by this sentence as it pertains to your argument. Are you saying that Texas was lucky to have won one national championship in 2012 despite their coach? Or that they should've won more by now with the quality of coach they have in Elliot? I've always sort of raised an eyebrow at anyone describing Elliot as an amazing coach, as with the level of recruits he gets, he doesn't translate that into national championships the way Nebraska, Penn State or Stanford have, historically. He's a joke, the latter, if he was remotely a decent coach, he would have 4+ NCAA titles hanging from those rafters. He's a choke artist! |
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Post by gopherhim on Sept 25, 2022 22:57:10 GMT -5
”Parity” = no one is great. That’s what that means. What if everyone's great? Post of the century |
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Post by vbdiva2 on Sept 25, 2022 22:59:35 GMT -5
Baby girl... he's running a %*$#ty 6-2 to apiece a 9 year program member (Izzy) ... he has Shrek, which clearly is unstoppable in the middle, trying to run her on RS like she's doing something there... Has the best potential Libero (Orzol) and likely one of the best freshman OH's (Wrobel) riding the pine and yet he chooses this garbage line up... Are we really going to depend on 80 swings from Franklin every match, 40 of which will be out or blocked... he's not a visionary, lacks the fortitude, that's very apparent. Winning a national championship as nothing to do with the coach, just look at Jerrod Elliot... Your takes get dumber as the season progresses . . . You pressed hunty?? Take a seat |
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Post by zero-rotation outside hitter on Sept 25, 2022 23:08:17 GMT -5
I'm a little confused by this sentence as it pertains to your argument. Are you saying that Texas was lucky to have won one national championship in 2012 despite their coach? Or that they should've won more by now with the quality of coach they have in Elliot? I've always sort of raised an eyebrow at anyone describing Elliot as an amazing coach, as with the level of recruits he gets, he doesn't translate that into national championships the way Nebraska, Penn State or Stanford have, historically. He's a joke, the latter, if he was remotely a decent coach, he would have 4+ NCAA titles hanging from those rafters. He's a choke artist! Got it. So by that logic, it would've made more sense for you to write that winning a national championship has everything to do with the coaching. |
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Post by scarletandcream on Sept 25, 2022 23:23:21 GMT -5
Diva diva diva: last year you lose your stud MH he adjusts with a high bread MB RS tactic and a back row attacker specialist !!! And now he’s out of his league?? Wow Stay in your lane diva! Baby girl... he's running a %*$#ty 6-2 to apiece a 9 year program member (Izzy) ... he has Shrek, which clearly is unstoppable in the middle, trying to run her on RS like she's doing something there... Has the best potential Libero (Orzol) and likely one of the best freshman OH's (Wrobel) riding the pine and yet he chooses this garbage line up... Are we really going to depend on 80 swings from Franklin every match, 40 of which will be out or blocked... he's not a visionary, lacks the fortitude, that's very apparent. Winning a national championship as nothing to do with the coach, just look at Jerrod Elliot... Wait Orzol as libero for Wisc? Is this something Sheffield has actually thought of? My guess is it will probably go to Shanel after her 14 games, but hmm. |
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Post by savannahbadger on Sept 25, 2022 23:43:20 GMT -5
Wait Orzol as libero for Wisc? Is this something Sheffield has actually thought of? Yes, she was one of the Liberos in the spring season for one match, before GG arrived. |
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Post by robtearle on Sept 26, 2022 0:02:53 GMT -5
Wait Orzol as libero for Wisc? Is this something Sheffield has actually thought of? Yes, she was one of the Liberos in the spring season for one match, before GG arrived. Notes that I took (and have almost thrown away a number of times, but haven't): Orzol was libero for one set vs UWGB, and one set vs UIC. Otherwise it was Boyer. I wasn't able to go to the other two. |
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Post by Draco_MN on Sept 26, 2022 0:10:53 GMT -5
I like this Minnesota team actually. I just want this consistently. Is that too much to ask ? girl you and me both |
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Post by Draco_MN on Sept 26, 2022 0:23:14 GMT -5
Shaff was at another level tonight! You love to see it! she is the moment 👏🏼👏🏼 |
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