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Post by newbeach on Sept 27, 2022 8:16:49 GMT -5
I will agree completely that the team needs a lot of passing reps (whether the players like it or not).  It's interesting that you know why Winzer's "practices and time-outs consist of empty platitudes". I think she is filled with "empty platitudes" because she doesn't know her stuff from a technical standpoint. She does not know how to coach at this level. Some of the retired players didn't like Abbondanza, I think, because the younger players were getting more opportunity and he actually worked and trained the team hard. The younger players like Van Ryk, Maglio, Veltman, and Bailey, liked Abbondanza (or we wouldn't see both Van Ryk and Maglio signing on to play with him this year and Van Ryk for the third time as a pro). I believe there are players who want to practice as hard as possible and learn as much as they can so they can get better. There are players who would love to qualify for the Olympics (which is becoming a longer and longer shot at this point). What is unfortunate is that the louder voices seemed to convince VC to not extend Abbondanza's contract and long-term hired a cheaper, less experienced coach who, perhaps, a few players can have more of a say in how things are run. As a person, Winzer may not be completely disliked by the whole team, but I don't believe she is respected either. I think players are starting to get frustrated and I expect that we will see many players leave the team after next year if the team does not qualify for the Olympics. If VC is smart, they will step in NOW and hire a good coach (like so many of the top teams have done - Serbia, Poland, etc.). They will not be successful with Winzer as a coach and we will continually see an exodus of players. You cannot keep a program relevant if all your top players leave every few years. Winzer really needs to go now. We'll miss her Winzerlations, but that's about it. VC has proven they’re are not smart so it would be wishful thinking that they would terminate Winzer’s contract. The exodus of players should have happened after two events that Winzer was at the helm (more than likely just one event but I will cut them some slack there). Many are here for a third go under Winzer’s “guidance” — those players are getting what they deserve. If it’s obvious that she will remain then nobody can feel sorry for anyone who continues to put their head in that noose so to speak. I see they got close in one set tonight and I hope that zero of them are happy about that. I may be wrong but it seems results are meeting expections (and possibly vice versa). You have zero understanding of what it means to be an athlete at a high level much less part of a team. |
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Post by enchantress on Sept 27, 2022 9:19:45 GMT -5
anyone notice how JWO’s twitter only has one tweet from 2011 lol I recommend y’all go look at it She actually uses a different twitter account now jwongorantes but USVA still links to the one she clearly made in her youth  |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Sept 27, 2022 9:22:31 GMT -5
anyone notice how JWO’s twitter only has one tweet from 2011 lol I recommend y’all go look at it She actually uses a different twitter account now jwongorantes but USVA still links to the one she clearly made in her youth
ok, it's a little funny...
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Post by enchantress on Sept 27, 2022 9:30:56 GMT -5
She actually uses a different twitter account now jwongorantes but USVA still links to the one she clearly made in her youth
ok, it's a little funny...
Definitely funny and definitely on brand for USAV to be so out of touch  |
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Post by bounce22 on Sept 27, 2022 10:05:04 GMT -5
VC has proven they’re are not smart so it would be wishful thinking that they would terminate Winzer’s contract. The exodus of players should have happened after two events that Winzer was at the helm (more than likely just one event but I will cut them some slack there). Many are here for a third go under Winzer’s “guidance” — those players are getting what they deserve. If it’s obvious that she will remain then nobody can feel sorry for anyone who continues to put their head in that noose so to speak. I see they got close in one set tonight and I hope that zero of them are happy about that. I may be wrong but it seems results are meeting expections (and possibly vice versa). You have zero understanding of what it means to be an athlete at a high level much less part of a team. [br. There are plenty of high level, team players out there I guess. Some of them change their course when presented with a continuous parade of internal roadblocks and some don’t. I suppose it depends on what each athlete is looking for in the experience. I am thinking “High Level” is referencing the world stage. If so, you are correct - I do know know what it means to be a high level athlete. However, there are still athletes on some of these rosters that may not qualify as high level either but they can definitely be a big role player on a team. All I am suggesting is that it’s going to be tough for ANY team to be successful when they continually accept a situation such as this. No argument that they deserve better coaching in the Canadian program but, the only way we will get to see if this team IS high level would be if a very good coach came in for a year or so with the exact same athletes. No point in debating the outcome really because history suggests that remains a long shot at best. When Canada starts getting the qualified coaches the athletes need and deserve, I truly hope they assign those coaches to the younger ages. If so, then those athletes might possibly grow up with some on court success which has a much better chance of carrying forward through the years. You can’t make everyone happy in life but you can certainly try. Whether I understand high level or being part of a team is irrelevant when we are talking about the last decades of womens vball in Canada (national program) - it makes not one bit of difference if anyone understands it. We can be happy with the effort but must admit that most of the players that have gone before did understand it and maybe it’s they, and the current players, who need to lead the charge for change. You and I can write letters but who are we? It’s tiresome for you Newbeach when I post and I get that; I really do. I’m pretty negative about things in general but I am also realistic about the state of our programs. The athletes themselves need to do something to affect change and that can be scary for them considering, if it did get coaches to improve the team, many of those athletes involved may not find themselves on the roster. No magic bullet here but the chamber needs a couple. |
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Post by bvrtail on Sept 27, 2022 12:34:15 GMT -5
You have zero understanding of what it means to be an athlete at a high level much less part of a team. [br. There are plenty of high level, team players out there I guess. Some of them change their course when presented with a continuous parade of internal roadblocks and some don’t. I suppose it depends on what each athlete is looking for in the experience. I am thinking “High Level” is referencing the world stage. If so, you are correct - I do know know what it means to be a high level athlete. However, there are still athletes on some of these rosters that may not qualify as high level either but they can definitely be a big role player on a team. All I am suggesting is that it’s going to be tough for ANY team to be successful when they continually accept a situation such as this. No argument that they deserve better coaching in the Canadian program but, the only way we will get to see if this team IS high level would be if a very good coach came in for a year or so with the exact same athletes. No point in debating the outcome really because history suggests that remains a long shot at best. When Canada starts getting the qualified coaches the athletes need and deserve, I truly hope they assign those coaches to the younger ages. If so, then those athletes might possibly grow up with some on court success which has a much better chance of carrying forward through the years. You can’t make everyone happy in life but you can certainly try. Whether I understand high level or being part of a team is irrelevant when we are talking about the last decades of womens vball in Canada (national program) - it makes not one bit of difference if anyone understands it. We can be happy with the effort but must admit that most of the players that have gone before did understand it and maybe it’s they, and the current players, who need to lead the charge for change. You and I can write letters but who are we? It’s tiresome for you Newbeach when I post and I get that; I really do. I’m pretty negative about things in general but I am also realistic about the state of our programs. The athletes themselves need to do something to affect change and that can be scary for them considering, if it did get coaches to improve the team, many of those athletes involved may not find themselves on the roster. No magic bullet here but the chamber needs a couple. So…if I understand your view correctly, you want the current crop of A team players to stage a coup with VC in the attempt to get a more qualified coach or broader coaching regime, is that it? Should they stage a coup, would there be money in the pot for an upgrade? Is there really head and assistant coaching talent out there available and interested? Do you thing mass resignations would increase the funding? Do you think it’s fair for players who’ve trained all their lives for this to risk everything when there is no obvious solution in sight? Timing - when do you think this coup be staged given where we are in the quad? I get so tired of all the negativity (and hostility from some) about Team Canada at times. This is not a volleyball nation people (no pro league structure or feeder infrastructure as in Europe or elsewhere); we are 1/10 the population of the mighty USA; training facilities and resources (great coaches) are not available the way they are for youngsters looking to improve their skills with private lessons and so on; and so on. So why the high expectations and bitter commentary on players who have a fraction of international experience compared to their competition? They’re not stacked with All Americans and players playing semi-pro since high school. Seriously folks. My expectation is for the team to put their best effort forward - cut down the unforced errors and compete hard. That’s it. I am hopeful that the overall caliber of athletes chosen is improving. Anyone wishing to play for the national team must cut their teeth after graduation in the pro leagues, which means a deepening pool of qualified athletes to select from. I agree that the coaching at this time is insufficient, at all levels frankly. Yes, we need better coaching to retain top athletes. It’s a vicious circle - how to get more funding when performance isn’t there? |
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Post by bounce22 on Sept 27, 2022 14:14:16 GMT -5
[br. There are plenty of high level, team players out there I guess. Some of them change their course when presented with a continuous parade of internal roadblocks and some don’t. I suppose it depends on what each athlete is looking for in the experience. I am thinking “High Level” is referencing the world stage. If so, you are correct - I do know know what it means to be a high level athlete. However, there are still athletes on some of these rosters that may not qualify as high level either but they can definitely be a big role player on a team. All I am suggesting is that it’s going to be tough for ANY team to be successful when they continually accept a situation such as this. No argument that they deserve better coaching in the Canadian program but, the only way we will get to see if this team IS high level would be if a very good coach came in for a year or so with the exact same athletes. No point in debating the outcome really because history suggests that remains a long shot at best. When Canada starts getting the qualified coaches the athletes need and deserve, I truly hope they assign those coaches to the younger ages. If so, then those athletes might possibly grow up with some on court success which has a much better chance of carrying forward through the years. You can’t make everyone happy in life but you can certainly try. Whether I understand high level or being part of a team is irrelevant when we are talking about the last decades of womens vball in Canada (national program) - it makes not one bit of difference if anyone understands it. We can be happy with the effort but must admit that most of the players that have gone before did understand it and maybe it’s they, and the current players, who need to lead the charge for change. You and I can write letters but who are we? It’s tiresome for you Newbeach when I post and I get that; I really do. I’m pretty negative about things in general but I am also realistic about the state of our programs. The athletes themselves need to do something to affect change and that can be scary for them considering, if it did get coaches to improve the team, many of those athletes involved may not find themselves on the roster. No magic bullet here but the chamber needs a couple. So…if I understand your view correctly, you want the current crop of A team players to stage a coup with VC in the attempt to get a more qualified coach or broader coaching regime, is that it? Should they stage a coup, would there be money in the pot for an upgrade? Is there really head and assistant coaching talent out there available and interested? Do you thing mass resignations would increase the funding? Do you think it’s fair for players who’ve trained all their lives for this to risk everything when there is no obvious solution in sight? Timing - when do you think this coup be staged given where we are in the quad? I get so tired of all the negativity (and hostility from some) about Team Canada at times. This is not a volleyball nation people (no pro league structure or feeder infrastructure as in Europe or elsewhere); we are 1/10 the population of the mighty USA; training facilities and resources (great coaches) are not available the way they are for youngsters looking to improve their skills with private lessons and so on; and so on. So why the high expectations and bitter commentary on players who have a fraction of international experience compared to their competition? They’re not stacked with All Americans and players playing semi-pro since high school. Seriously folks. My expectation is for the team to put their best effort forward - cut down the unforced errors and compete hard. That’s it. I am hopeful that the overall caliber of athletes chosen is improving. Anyone wishing to play for the national team must cut their teeth after graduation in the pro leagues, which means a deepening pool of qualified athletes to select from. I agree that the coaching at this time is insufficient, at all levels frankly. Yes, we need better coaching to retain top athletes. It’s a vicious circle - how to get more funding when performance isn’t there? Risk everything? Not quite sure there’s anything to risk. I can understand your expectations but it seems expectations like that by many people are a big part of maybe why Canada remains “not a volleyball nation.” It obviously takes more than high expectations to achieve but we need to start there yes? Their efforts are very admirable; don’t think on court or training efforts are in question. If we are going to approach it this way then let’s just say it leans closer to participatory and be happy with that. If everyone is happy like that then great. I guess the people to really ask about it all are the players. And maybe not just Canadian players. Maybe they are all having a great time with all of this and maybe not. Cutting down on unforced errors may not be possible without correction and instruction either (depending on if it is physical or mental) so that’s a lot to hope for. We always hope it will get better and hope DOES count for a lot but that hope ultimately has to have some foundation. There’s really no point in continuing the debate —- our bar is set pretty low by a ton of people and it gets learned early. Maybe one day a group of amazing athletes will come together and overcome that …. We can always hope 😁. In the end, people will decide on their own what is important - I just wish we defined better what this is supposed to be. Ciao. |
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Post by nonathleticperson on Sept 27, 2022 15:23:35 GMT -5
Y'all are jumping ahead a bit here. bvrtail is absolutely correct, we are a tiny country always punching above our weight in almost every sport and people forget that. All Canadian sports team have a vicious funding cycle. Volleyball Canada has their hands tied due to financial problems and we're left with Shannon.
As volleyball fans we can see them becoming much more than they are now and it's frustrating seeing us being held back. It is especially frustrating because we see how much potential this group in particular has, and what they've done in their professional careers (KVR, Maglio, Gray, King). This is why I continue to echo that the loss of Autumn was massive. With her on the team, I'm positive the results are much more acceptable that what they are now, and we wouldn't be having this discussion at all.
The unfortunate reality is these results may push away this current core into early NT retirement; but that's the choice VC has decided to make. It happens all the time (Pavan). Eventually a core group strong enough and fortunate enough will break through.
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Post by kurtndiego on Sept 27, 2022 15:33:42 GMT -5
The connection between Poulter and Ogbogu looked pretty good yesterday!!!!
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Post by Reach on Sept 27, 2022 15:36:22 GMT -5
The connection between Poulter and Ogbogu looked pretty good yesterday!!!! yes... we just want more of that each and every game! |
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