USA Women's NT 2023

[trojansc]

Dec 27, 2023 13:22:20 GMT -5 uofaGRAD said:

Dec 27, 2023 13:16:46 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Start a thread with a poll, Im curious to see what VT thinks / aka trigger Wisconsin fans to think it’s all about them

would 8 allow for a risky 6-2? lol you’d have to win quite a few points on serve but as long as one of your setter/opposite duos wasn’t just tragic at the net/playing back row defense, wouldn’t be toooo bad

If you start with one of your 6-2 setters in right front and one opp in left back, you’ll be able to go ~13 rotations before running out of subs. But this means no DS’s or serving subs.

[trojansc]

Dec 27, 2023 13:22:20 GMT -5 jwvolley said:

Dec 27, 2023 13:16:46 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Start a thread with a poll, Im curious to see what VT thinks / aka trigger Wisconsin fans to think it’s all about them

I'm 100% against making it international sub count for NCAA, aka not able to have any consistent DS, everyone needs to be 6 ro. etc. 

I also don't like it being possible to sub out literally all 3 pins though. 

I'd entertain arguments about subs for one DS versus two. 

Can we at least take libero serving away?

[volleyfan8288]

Dec 27, 2023 13:29:59 GMT -5 avid 2.0 said:

Dec 27, 2023 13:24:34 GMT -5 volleyfan8288 said:

Thanks. Do you have stats for the others mentioned (Larson, Krob, Frantti, Lanier, Skinner, Plummer, Jones-Perry, Brooke, Bajema, SWP)? Curious how she’s stacking up. To the eye test, her passing and floor defense is very good. She just didn’t seem as terminal. However, the last few matches I’ve seen her pull a few more offensive tools out and she’s looking more terminal. Obvs she isn’t on the 2024 agenda… but curious about her compared to others on the wide roster (like Brooke for example).

not exactly what you're asking for, but heres GP% vs attack

(Plummer doesnt have a ton of matches on here. VJP doesnt have many matches on VM) 

That’s actually pretty close to what I was wondering, thanks. Looks like she slots in right where I thought- good passer, not as terminal.

It’s crazy to me that KRob’s kill% is so high. I know she’s had great matches in Italy, but I just think back to the recent national team matches and she was not it…. I can see why she keeps getting brought back as the obvious starter though. Maybe we will see her perform at that level for USA this time around. Is it something about the USA system that’s not working as well for her? Or is she not even playing that badly based on stats and the eye test just looks bad. Only started following international play in the last year or so— sorry for the questions

[uofaGRAD]

Dec 27, 2023 13:30:47 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Dec 27, 2023 13:22:20 GMT -5 jwvolley said:

I'm 100% against making it international sub count for NCAA, aka not able to have any consistent DS, everyone needs to be 6 ro. etc. 

I also don't like it being possible to sub out literally all 3 pins though. 

I'd entertain arguments about subs for one DS versus two. 

Can we at least take libero serving away?

now what if I said I’m okay with liberos serving…

[widdledumpling]

Discussing these rule changes all seems beside the point.

The NCAA exists to provide students an opportunity to play their sport in college at a high level. It’s not a pro development league. Taking away subs limits the ability to play for both 1) basically all short players (reminder the US female average height is 5’4”) and 2) good hitters who aren’t great passers.

LOVB’s model might be interesting—it gets closer to a European model where young players actually train to go pro rather than to play D1 college ball.

[avid 2.0]

Dec 27, 2023 13:34:48 GMT -5 volleyfan8288 said:

Dec 27, 2023 13:29:59 GMT -5 avid 2.0 said:

not exactly what you're asking for, but heres GP% vs attack

(Plummer doesnt have a ton of matches on here. VJP doesnt have many matches on VM) 

That’s actually pretty close to what I was wondering, thanks. Looks like she slots in right where I thought- good passer, not as terminal.

It’s crazy to me that KRob’s kill% is so high. I know she’s had great matches in Italy, but I just think back to the recent national team matches and she was not it…. I can see why she keeps getting brought back as the obvious starter though. Maybe we will see her perform at that level for USA this time around. Is it something about the USA system that’s not working as well for her? Or is she not even playing that badly based on stats and the eye test just looks bad. Only started following international play in the last year or so— sorry for the questions

Kelsey probably was USA's best player in IOQT. 

Imoco uses her better than USA does. USA spams way too many sets to her. She's not set as much in Conegliano. Plus Wolosz is better than Carlini/Micha 

[jwvolley]

Dec 27, 2023 13:28:40 GMT -5 basil said:

Dec 27, 2023 13:22:20 GMT -5 jwvolley said:

I'm 100% against making it international sub count for NCAA, aka not able to have any consistent DS, everyone needs to be 6 ro. etc. 

I also don't like it being possible to sub out literally all 3 pins though. 

I'd entertain arguments about subs for one DS versus two. 

why?

Love the opportunity it provides to so many student athletes around the country and IMO it makes the game better/more exciting. 

[avid 2.0]

Dec 27, 2023 13:34:53 GMT -5 uofaGRAD said:

Dec 27, 2023 13:30:47 GMT -5 trojansc said:

Can we at least take libero serving away?

now what if I said I’m okay with liberos serving…

thats my hot take. i would rather see a libero serve than Chi lol

[uofaGRAD]

Dec 27, 2023 13:37:34 GMT -5 avid 2.0 said:

Dec 27, 2023 13:34:53 GMT -5 uofaGRAD said:

now what if I said I’m okay with liberos serving…

thats my hot take. i would rather see a libero serve than Chi lol

I’d have to agree with you. I’d love to see it at all levels, which is a reason I was excited for PVF, but alas, they went back on it

[jwvolley]

*Wake Forest uploads highlight video of random conference match*

15 year old in Indonesia: "Libero serve?!?"

[basil]

Dec 27, 2023 13:37:29 GMT -5 jwvolley said:

Dec 27, 2023 13:28:40 GMT -5 basil said:

why?

Love the opportunity it provides to so many student athletes around the country and IMO it makes the game better/more exciting. 

I'll agree with the first point

[trojansc]

What’s next: iron man middle?

[trojansc]

Dec 27, 2023 13:37:34 GMT -5 avid 2.0 said:

Dec 27, 2023 13:34:53 GMT -5 uofaGRAD said:

now what if I said I’m okay with liberos serving…

thats my hot take. i would rather see a libero serve than Chi lol

Not too hard on Chi, it was the other Texas middle who served in the net at 13 all in the 5th vs. Serbia in Rio

[uofaGRAD]

I guess it depends on what you want to prioritize. if you’re focusing on developing players, than less subs is better. if you’re focusing on letting as many people play as possible and having players become specialists, than more subs is better

we already have middles, liberos, setters, and even opposites (in the USA) specialized… 😭

[trojansc]

Dec 27, 2023 13:34:58 GMT -5 widdledumpling said:

Discussing these rule changes all seems beside the point.

The NCAA exists to provide students an opportunity to play their sport in college at a high level. It’s not a pro development league. Taking away subs limits the ability to play for both 1) basically all short players (reminder the US female average height is 5’4”) and 2) good hitters who aren’t great passers.

LOVB’s model might be interesting—it gets closer to a European model where young players actually train to go pro rather than to play D1 college ball.

Why does men’s D1/D2 volleyball not get the same opportunity?

Why does women’s volleyball not have unlimited subs then if its about opportunity?

Obviously the answer is some sort of “balance”?