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Post by donut on Feb 7, 2023 21:06:31 GMT -5
At the Olympics, who between JL and MBH was the ball-control and who was the terminator? Larson was the terminator between the two in Tokyo. |
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Post by manyshaped on Feb 7, 2023 21:10:44 GMT -5
At the Olympics, who between JL and MBH was the ball-control and who was the terminator? Seems to me like it worked for USA to have two ball-control OHs so we were always in-system and could set tempo and middle and rarely face fully formed blocks. The other option being go with two terminators that can kill OOS when front row - if you're going to have a weaker serve receive OH on the floor you might as well have two as the opponent can only serve one at a time and you'd at least have a terminal OH front row at all times to clean up the mess. Having JT instead of Annie would help as well with the OOS cleanup. this would be a nightmare...carlini, put on your track shoes or else:  |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Feb 7, 2023 21:18:01 GMT -5
meaningful challengers (Rettke, Stevenson, whoever) to Haleigh is going to be important. USA needs better blocking alongside Chi. They were getting touches on everything in the OG (with Foluke)
JT returning to the lineup will help that (sorry Annie). Carlini over Poulter too.
Left side will be interesting. Kelsey isn't a great blocker, but her defense makes up for it.
I don't think Frantti/Plummer/etc has any significant blocking advantage over the other. (Plummer might just cause she's tall)
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Post by donut on Feb 7, 2023 21:22:05 GMT -5
I don't think their narratives are the same at all. Please elaborate. I'm happy to hear what you think here. I'm not 100% sure that Kingdon will make a splash this summer with the NT. I'm just here for it if it happened for her, or anyone else really. I just want the team to make the podium and get some glittery hardware. Oops, missed this, sorry!
Kingdon's biggest strength has always been serve receive and defense. She's a bit undersized and lacks explosiveness in the front row, IMO. That being said, if Larson, KRob, Hill and MBH weren't in the gym from 2015-2020, she might have seen more A-Team chances. She's an incredible athlete, but there were other players with her strengths in the USA gym, who also tended to be better offensively.
When SWP graduated, on the other hand, her biggest strength was she could hit quick (see: Minnesota). IIRC, the rest of her game needed work. Now, I'd say her value add is her all-around game, she's a good (not the best) passer, she's a good (not the best) hitter, and she's an excellent server and blocker. She's also broken into the A-Team much more than Kingdon ever has.
Honestly, if there's a narrative comparison here (with regards to always being on the outside looking in), the best one I can think of is Hildebrand.
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Post by bruinsgold on Feb 7, 2023 21:23:23 GMT -5
meaningful challengers (Rettke, Stevenson, whoever) to Haleigh is going to be important. USA needs better blocking alongside Chi. They were getting touches on everything in the OG (with Foluke)Â JT returning to the lineup will help that ( sorry Annie). Carlini over Poulter too. Left side will be interesting. Kelsey isn't a great blocker, but her defense makes up for it. I don't think Frantti/Plummer/etc has any significant blocking advantage over the other. (Plummer might just cause she's tall) what she lacks in blocking, she makes up for with fierce... er, gum chewing... no, I mean defense! Yeah. Definitely.  |
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Post by jiggs on Feb 7, 2023 21:23:44 GMT -5
imo usa needs to put their most terminal OH alongside krob I think this is empirically proven to be a bad plan. The problem is there isn’t one way to do anything, you have to do with what you have. Krob is a defensive outside who can score occasionally,that is why one of the terminal outsides is needed. USA won with basically two all Rounders. The problem with having one of the more offensive outsides who can’t pass as well is that when they are in the back row or front row for that matter and make a bad pass you need JT to be able to score those OS balls. USA didn’t have only one problem last summer, I can name about 4, but JT getting more OS hitting reps in monza and doing well recently is great for USA and frantii/Plummer getting a lot of passing reps this year and not looking too bad is a good look for team USA. At the end of the day they have until 2024 to make it work, that’s a lot of time for the younger players to develop they will be fine |
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Post by donut on Feb 7, 2023 21:32:45 GMT -5
I think this is empirically proven to be a bad plan. The problem is there isn’t one way to do anything, you have to do with what you have. Krob is a defensive outside who can score occasionally,that is why one of the terminal outsides is needed. USA won with basically two all Rounders. The problem with having one of the more offensive outsides who can’t pass as well is that when they are in the back row or front row for that matter and make a bad pass you need JT to be able to score those OS balls. USA didn’t have only one problem last summer, I can name about 4, but JT getting more OS hitting reps in monza and doing well recently is great for USA and frantii/Plummer getting a lot of passing reps this year and not looking too bad is a good look for team USA. At the end of the day they have until 2024 to make it work, that’s a lot of time for the younger players to develop they will be fine I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say.
KRob + most terminal outside does not work because most terminal outside gets picked on in SR and we will lose the OOS game against the top teams. If that most terminal outside is also a solid enough passer, woo hoo let's go. But we need to get our middles involved, and set KRob and JT/Annie in-system, and simply throwing our heaviest arm into OH1 without caring about passing won't enable that to happen.
That's all I'm saying really.
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Post by donut on Feb 7, 2023 21:34:24 GMT -5
meaningful challengers (Rettke, Stevenson, whoever) to Haleigh is going to be important. USA needs better blocking alongside Chi. They were getting touches on everything in the OG (with Foluke) this needs to be said 20 times
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Post by khcoogs on Feb 7, 2023 21:37:02 GMT -5
At the Olympics, who between JL and MBH was the ball-control and who was the terminator? Larson was the terminator between the two in Tokyo. MBH outscored Larson against Argentina, China, Italy, DR, and Brazil so 5/8 matches at the OG. The point being that there really wasn't a "ball-control" and a "terminator". It was two great ball-control OH with adequate attacking. There's no evidence that the "one-of-each" path wins the US anything. Frankly, I'm just tired of seeing KRook get stuffed or try weak easily-picked-up tips anytime she's faced with a formed block. She's a complete liability in the front row when you don't have Haak or Egonu on the other pin to take care of everything. Bring her in as a back-row sub for Plummer who's too slow in defense. |
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Post by volleyguy on Feb 7, 2023 21:39:34 GMT -5
you think karch is using that noggin and actually thinking? plz. that's like 2 pay grades too high The pay grade is top tier, it’s definitely the noggin. |
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Post by jiggs on Feb 7, 2023 21:41:15 GMT -5
The problem is there isn’t one way to do anything, you have to do with what you have. Krob is a defensive outside who can score occasionally,that is why one of the terminal outsides is needed. USA won with basically two all Rounders. The problem with having one of the more offensive outsides who can’t pass as well is that when they are in the back row or front row for that matter and make a bad pass you need JT to be able to score those OS balls. USA didn’t have only one problem last summer, I can name about 4, but JT getting more OS hitting reps in monza and doing well recently is great for USA and frantii/Plummer getting a lot of passing reps this year and not looking too bad is a good look for team USA. At the end of the day they have until 2024 to make it work, that’s a lot of time for the younger players to develop they will be fine I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say.
KRob + most terminal outside does not work because most terminal outside gets picked on in SR and we will lose the OOS game against the top teams. If that most terminal outside is also a solid enough passer, woo hoo let's go. But we need to get our middles involved, and set KRob and JT/Annie in-system, and simply throwing our heaviest arm into OH1 without caring about passing won't enable that to happen.
That's all I'm saying really.
Lol that’s literally what I just said. I said the heavy arm bad passers lead to more OS scenarios and I said the way to solve that is for JT to be atleast more terminal than she was last summer and i think she will be . I also said the bad passing might not be as bad anymore with Plummer and Frantii improving. If u want to go with krob as your lock at outside I think you need a terminal outside beside her, it’s just as simple as that. Also if you play Plummer you need to sub her atleast once back row for defense, karch needs to stop thinking he is a genius and just follow santarelli |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Feb 7, 2023 21:53:42 GMT -5
KRob (and her offense) is not even the top 5 of issues from the WCHs
KRob will be a 2023 starter.
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Post by donut on Feb 7, 2023 21:59:12 GMT -5
Larson was the terminator between the two in Tokyo. MBH outscored Larson against Argentina, China, Italy, DR, and Brazil so 5/8 matches at the OG. The point being that there really wasn't a "ball-control" and a "terminator". It was two great ball-control OH with adequate attacking. There's no evidence that the "one-of-each" path wins the US anything. What a weird way to make your point when they scored the same # of points. But check those hitting percentages! At that point in time, MBH was moreso on the court for "ball-control" than Larson was. Oh, I'm also not convinced re: KRob's front row play. |
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Post by donut on Feb 7, 2023 22:00:43 GMT -5
KRob (and her offense) is not even the top 5 of issues from the WCHs KRob will be a 2023 starter. If I had to list our biggest problems right now, particularly looking at the WCH, I'd say: 1. Karch's refusal to sub out struggling players 1a. Karch's refusal to sub out Poulter 1b. Karch's refusal to sub out Washington 1c. Karch's refusal to sub out Cook 2. Opposite inconsistency/depth 3. Opposite roster selection (I'd switch 1c and 2 but 1c goes with 1 and my OCD refuses to let me mess that up) According to a random (yet knowledgeable) poster, it's #5. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Feb 7, 2023 22:12:09 GMT -5
the problem with taking Kelsey out is it amplifies the issues they had in Poland even more. (yes I know SWP should've at least had somewhat of a bigger role, but we have to accept that she just wasnt... which is another problem bigger than Kelsey's offense)
Other than the Poland match (and the Thai match which she got pulled)... Kelsey's offense was fine at the WCHs.
Frantti/Bajema/SWP taking a roster spot were all more problematic by the end.
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