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Post by slxpress on Dec 5, 2022 18:09:42 GMT -5
The simplest answer is they've played fewer sets. Not saying that's the answer, but that would be the most obvious one. They've played 2 less sets than the Gophers (Neb 104 to MN 106).
MN is #14 in total team blocks and & #4 on blocks per set on 106 sets.
Nebraksa is #41 total team blocks & #6 on blocks per set on 104 sets. Even if they played two more sets at ~3 blocks per set, they still would only be #30 or something in total team blocks. Whereas all the other teams with high blocks per set are in the top 15 (even with lower set count). Don't understand the math on that one. 🤷
To me that just shows how close the numbers are. Multiply by 2x the number of blocks per set, subtract that from Minnesota’s total block number, and see where that puts them. Sometimes the actual ranking isn’t nearly as important as putting teams into tiers and classifying teams with similar stats in a category as probably comparable. But we like our measurements and rankings, so we’re naturally going to cite that even when it can tell a misleading story. Shoot, I know I do it. It’s natural. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Dec 5, 2022 18:10:42 GMT -5
The simplest answer is they've played fewer sets. Not saying that's the answer, but that would be the most obvious one. They've played 2 less sets than the Gophers (Neb 104 to MN 106).
MN is #14 in total team blocks and & #4 on blocks per set on 106 sets.
Nebraksa is #41 total team blocks & #6 on blocks per set on 104 sets. Even if they played two more sets at ~3 blocks per set, they still would only be #30 or something in total team blocks. Whereas all the other teams with high blocks per set are in the top 15 (even with lower set count). Don't understand the math on that one. 🤷
Minnesota has 309.5 blocks on the season. Nebraska has 287.5 the reason there's a large difference between #14 and #41 is because there's a lot of teams between 287.5 and 309.5 that have played way more sets than nebraska (18 of those teams have played more than 115 sets) |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Dec 5, 2022 18:10:44 GMT -5
Nebraska probably gets more blocks than Minnesota because they are less terminal. What's the rate of blocks to opponent swings?
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Post by slxpress on Dec 5, 2022 18:12:17 GMT -5
I get it. Texas has played 85 sets on the entire year. Using total numbers ends up being a worthless comparison. I’m not surprised that’s the correct answer. I think we ought to crank out a "sets per match" metric to see which teams love chaos the most. The answer has to be Rice. Just has to be. I don’t know this, but I can’t imagine someone playing more 5 set matches. UH is calling themseves the “Cardiac Cougs” on their social media. Nothing wrong with that. But there’s another school a 20 minute drive away that’s been even more nail biting this year. |
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Post by uofaGRAD on Dec 5, 2022 18:15:31 GMT -5
Nebraska probably gets more blocks than Minnesota because they are less terminal. What's the rate of blocks to opponent swings? Minnesota: 309.5 blocks / 3791 opponent swings = 8.16% block rate Nebraska: 287.5 blocks / 3790 opponent swings = 7.59% block rate |
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Post by trojansc on Dec 5, 2022 18:26:29 GMT -5
I think we ought to crank out a "sets per match" metric to see which teams love chaos the most. The answer has to be Rice. Just has to be. I don’t know this, but I can’t imagine someone playing more 5 set matches. UH is calling themseves the “Cardiac Cougs” on their social media. Nothing wrong with that. But there’s another school a 20 minute drive away that’s been even more nail biting this year. Both Rice and LSU played 11 five-set matches this season. Of course, Rice and LSU played each other, and that match went 5-sets! |
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Post by slxpress on Dec 5, 2022 18:29:02 GMT -5
No, I’m saying us Big Ten fans literally saw Colyer and Nunneviller play when they lost to Minnesota and Penn State. Ok, excited for B1G fans to watch the best OH duo in the country for the first time since preseason? It wasn't even a dig, really. PAC volleyball is hard to watch for most of the country.
Colyer and Nuneviller are the most complete OH duo in the country. I agree that Texas and Louisville are up there, but Brooke and Mimi have the best all-around stats, in a tougher conference than the Big 12 or ACC.
Oregon outsides: Kills/set: 4.12
Digs/set: 2.45
Blocks/set: .46
Hitting percentage: .282
Texas outsides: Kills/set: 3.95 Digs/set: 1.25 Blocks/set: .53 Hitting percentage: .300
Louisville outsides***:
Kills/set: 3.25 Digs/set: 1.88 Blocks/set: .392 Hitting percentage: .295 ***I took out games where Debeer only played backrow, but obviously have to point out her injury here.
And this doesn't even take into account passing... Subjectively you may feel the others are better players, but again, not sure you can argue that they do as much for their team as Brooke and Mimi do. Plus, I'll always favor 6-rotation hitters and I think the fact that Oregon is so unbalanced as compared to Texas and Louisville actually makes Brooke and Mimi's stats more impressive.
Help me understand your reasoning that Oregon being so unbalanced makes Colyer/Nuneviller's kills per set stat even more impressive. What's really impressive is to compare Colyer/Nuneviller's digs per set total when only one of Skinner or Eggleston plays 6 rotations for Texas. That said, anyone who would try to argue either Skinner or Eggleston is in Nuneviller's league as a defensive 6 rotation player is out of their mind. But if we're only going by these stats, while understanding that Oregon is more dependent on Colyer/Nuneviller for attacks, and that this duo is going to get way more chances at digs per set, I like Eggleston/Skinner even more. I admit I'm unsure of the value of this conversation on a Nebraska/Oregon match thread. I'm going to chalk it up to my contributions to a 30 page thread before the match starts. You're welcome! |
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Post by slxpress on Dec 5, 2022 18:29:30 GMT -5
The answer has to be Rice. Just has to be. I don’t know this, but I can’t imagine someone playing more 5 set matches. UH is calling themseves the “Cardiac Cougs” on their social media. Nothing wrong with that. But there’s another school a 20 minute drive away that’s been even more nail biting this year. Both Rice and LSU played 11 five-set matches this season. Of course, Rice and LSU played each other, and that match went 5-sets! I mean, was it going to go any other way? |
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Post by stanfordvb on Dec 5, 2022 18:34:15 GMT -5
No, I’m saying us Big Ten fans literally saw Colyer and Nunneviller play when they lost to Minnesota and Penn State. Ok, excited for B1G fans to watch the best OH duo in the country for the first time since preseason? It wasn't even a dig, really. PAC volleyball is hard to watch for most of the country.
Colyer and Nuneviller are the most complete OH duo in the country. I agree that Texas and Louisville are up there, but Brooke and Mimi have the best all-around stats, in a tougher conference than the Big 12 or ACC.
Oregon outsides: Kills/set: 4.12
Digs/set: 2.45
Blocks/set: .46
Hitting percentage: .282
Texas outsides: Kills/set: 3.95 Digs/set: 1.25 Blocks/set: .53 Hitting percentage: .300
Louisville outsides***:
Kills/set: 3.25 Digs/set: 1.88 Blocks/set: .392 Hitting percentage: .295 ***I took out games where Debeer only played backrow, but obviously have to point out her injury here.
And this doesn't even take into account passing... Subjectively you may feel the others are better players, but again, not sure you can argue that they do as much for their team as Brooke and Mimi do. Plus, I'll always favor 6-rotation hitters and I think the fact that Oregon is so unbalanced as compared to Texas and Louisville actually makes Brooke and Mimi's stats more impressive.
its hard to look at Louisvilles outsides stats this year and compare them to what they could be when they let debeer go all 6 for a match. it will change a lot of things for them including the passing formation in certain rotations and having some more flexibility there when Hendricks is in because they'll have 4 good options in SR for 3 rotations. it also adds an extra passer (debeer) into 3 more rotations of SR if they choose to utilize her. these are big changes in the lineup that would create a lot of opportunities we haven't even seen yet. not saying they would be better passers than Oregons OHs, but stronger passing for their team should also theoretically improve their individual offensive opportunities as well I agree Oregons OHs are as good as anyone but no one really knows what 6 rotation debeer and chaussee look like for a full match with the way chausse improved in debeers absence |
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Post by donut on Dec 5, 2022 19:05:02 GMT -5
Ok, excited for B1G fans to watch the best OH duo in the country for the first time since preseason? It wasn't even a dig, really. PAC volleyball is hard to watch for most of the country.
Colyer and Nuneviller are the most complete OH duo in the country. I agree that Texas and Louisville are up there, but Brooke and Mimi have the best all-around stats, in a tougher conference than the Big 12 or ACC.
Oregon outsides: Kills/set: 4.12
Digs/set: 2.45
Blocks/set: .46
Hitting percentage: .282 Texas outsides: Kills/set: 3.95 Digs/set: 1.25 Blocks/set: .53 Hitting percentage: .300
Louisville outsides***:
Kills/set: 3.25 Digs/set: 1.88 Blocks/set: .392 Hitting percentage: .295 ***I took out games where Debeer only played backrow, but obviously have to point out her injury here.
And this doesn't even take into account passing... Subjectively you may feel the others are better players, but again, not sure you can argue that they do as much for their team as Brooke and Mimi do. Plus, I'll always favor 6-rotation hitters and I think the fact that Oregon is so unbalanced as compared to Texas and Louisville actually makes Brooke and Mimi's stats more impressive.
Help me understand your reasoning that Oregon being so unbalanced makes Colyer/Nuneviller's kills per set stat even more impressive. I didn't specifically say kills/set, but I should have been more specific. It primarily makes their hitting percentage more impressive.
I'm sorry, but none of this makes any sense? You're docking Colyer/Nuneviller because they both play 6-rotations? Do you have stats to back up your suggestion that if Eggleston/Skinner had the same number of chances at digs per set, they'd have the same numbers? Eggleston does play 6-rotations, and Colyer/Nuneviller both have more digs/set than her.
Perhaps there are differing philosophies here. When I say "most complete OH duo" I do not mean "best offensive OH duo." Texas most years can probably claim that latter category. But OHs' role is more than just offense, and I'm going to reward players who excel at other facets of the game. Plus, even at offense, Mimi and Brooke are contributing more than Eggleston and Skinner as a duo (Skinner has the lowest kills/set out of any of the OHs mentioned here, minus Debeer).
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Post by donut on Dec 5, 2022 19:08:25 GMT -5
Ok, excited for B1G fans to watch the best OH duo in the country for the first time since preseason? It wasn't even a dig, really. PAC volleyball is hard to watch for most of the country.
Colyer and Nuneviller are the most complete OH duo in the country. I agree that Texas and Louisville are up there, but Brooke and Mimi have the best all-around stats, in a tougher conference than the Big 12 or ACC.
Oregon outsides: Kills/set: 4.12
Digs/set: 2.45
Blocks/set: .46
Hitting percentage: .282
Texas outsides: Kills/set: 3.95 Digs/set: 1.25 Blocks/set: .53 Hitting percentage: .300
Louisville outsides***:
Kills/set: 3.25 Digs/set: 1.88 Blocks/set: .392 Hitting percentage: .295 ***I took out games where Debeer only played backrow, but obviously have to point out her injury here.
And this doesn't even take into account passing... Subjectively you may feel the others are better players, but again, not sure you can argue that they do as much for their team as Brooke and Mimi do. Plus, I'll always favor 6-rotation hitters and I think the fact that Oregon is so unbalanced as compared to Texas and Louisville actually makes Brooke and Mimi's stats more impressive.
its hard to look at Louisvilles outsides stats this year and compare them to what they could be when they let debeer go all 6 for a match. it will change a lot of things for them including the passing formation in certain rotations and having some more flexibility there when Hendricks is in because they'll have 4 good options in SR for 3 rotations. it also adds an extra passer (debeer) into 3 more rotations of SR if they choose to utilize her. these are big changes in the lineup that would create a lot of opportunities we haven't even seen yet. not saying they would be better passers than Oregons OHs, but stronger passing for their team should also theoretically improve their individual offensive opportunities as well I agree Oregons OHs are as good as anyone but no one really knows what 6 rotation debeer and chaussee look like for a full match with the way chausse improved in debeers absence I agree with this^^^. Again, tried to roughly account for this by only including matches when Debeer played all 6-rotations.
I'm sure their numbers wouldn't be at Nuneviller/Colyer's levels because of Louisville's offensive balance. And to start the season I definitely wouldn't have included Louisville's pins here, but Chaussee had such an explosive year.
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Post by stanfordvb on Dec 5, 2022 19:14:45 GMT -5
its hard to look at Louisvilles outsides stats this year and compare them to what they could be when they let debeer go all 6 for a match. it will change a lot of things for them including the passing formation in certain rotations and having some more flexibility there when Hendricks is in because they'll have 4 good options in SR for 3 rotations. it also adds an extra passer (debeer) into 3 more rotations of SR if they choose to utilize her. these are big changes in the lineup that would create a lot of opportunities we haven't even seen yet. not saying they would be better passers than Oregons OHs, but stronger passing for their team should also theoretically improve their individual offensive opportunities as well I agree Oregons OHs are as good as anyone but no one really knows what 6 rotation debeer and chaussee look like for a full match with the way chausse improved in debeers absence And to start the season I definitely wouldn't have included Louisville's pins here, but Chaussee had such an explosive year.
im so excited to potentially see both of them play 6 with debeer playing well and chausse playing up to her new standard. should have a good effect of the rest of the hitters as well |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Dec 5, 2022 19:21:05 GMT -5
Ok, guys, I'm going to need someone to make some derogatory statements against Texas' coaching here. Texas fans will come to defend themselves and then start bickering with the Husker homers.
Then we can insult the Wisconsin OHs.
Finally, @madden55 is going to antagonize the Hawaii fanbase with an out-of-left-field read.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2022 19:22:57 GMT -5
Ok, guys, I'm going to need someone to make some derogatory statements against Texas' coaching here. Texas fans will come to defend themselves and then start bickering with the Husker homers. Then we can insult the Wisconsin OHs. Finally, @madden55 is going to antagonize the Hawaii fanbase with an out-of-left-field read. #30PagesBeforeFirstServe did you see my latest one about the history books? That was sone of my best work |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Dec 5, 2022 19:24:10 GMT -5
Ok, guys, I'm going to need someone to make some derogatory statements against Texas' coaching here. Texas fans will come to defend themselves and then start bickering with the Husker homers. Then we can insult the Wisconsin OHs. Finally, @madden55 is going to antagonize the Hawaii fanbase with an out-of-left-field read. #30PagesBeforeFirstServe did you see my latest one about the history books? That was sone of my best work You can repost it here, and you can also @ some folks. It's an option. |
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