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Post by nellynel on Feb 14, 2023 13:38:27 GMT -5
Sounds like excuses to me. According to the experts on VT Texas plays in a JV league. Lol Didn't stop San Diego making a Final 4 run. Hasn’t stopped Gonzaga becoming a national power in Men’s Basketball. Baylor is in Waco (trust me I lived there as a kid), Texas, had no real volleyball history, yet McGuire has brought them into the discussion with a FF, Elite 8 and Sweet 16 the last 3 years. If Baylor in a JV league can get into the national discussion Hawaii has no excuse except the ones you allow yourself to make instead of addressing the possible real reason, maybe it’s your coach? JE has proven he can take non-elite raw talent (Amy Neal, Jhenna Gabriel, etc.) and develop them enough to compete for NC’s. Hell SKT was playing as well if not better than any setter in the country by the end of the NC game and no one thought SKT was the best setter in the country. But go ahead and keep believing he can only recruit not develop or coach, while I’ll keep watching him compete for championships. You made that whole stupid ass post on the presumption that anyone takes the Big12 being a JV league as a serious statement. But go ahead, set your own argument parameters so you come out on top or whatever. Maybe you should try making an argument instead of posting a stupid opinion with no facts and b&tching no one is countering you with facts to your ever changing point. Oh I forgot Molly can’t hit out system is your proof JE can’t develop talent. Well done, I stand corrected. WTF
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Post by braque on Feb 14, 2023 15:36:49 GMT -5
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Post by braque on Feb 14, 2023 16:16:36 GMT -5
I don't know what happened immediately above == some sort of error when I was trying to edit my post!
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Post by mln59 on Feb 14, 2023 16:18:36 GMT -5
I don't know what happened immediately above == some sort of error when I was trying to edit my post!
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Post by texaslonghorns on Feb 14, 2023 16:47:50 GMT -5
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Post by slxpress on Feb 14, 2023 16:57:39 GMT -5
Lol. We're going to get crushed. I want the girls to have fun, bond, work on skills, enjoy the trip to Hawaii, and don't take the losses too personally. This is a lot of added time working together with the coaches out there, so I'm all on board. I hope they get a lot out of it.
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Post by mln59 on Feb 14, 2023 16:58:31 GMT -5
Lol. We're going to get crushed. I want the girls to have fun, bond, work on skills, enjoy the trip to Hawaii, and don't take the losses too personally. This is a lot of added time working together with the coaches out there, so I'm all on board. I hope they get a lot out of it. they're just funnin' a bit
(don't get hurt)
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Post by hornfanaustin on Feb 14, 2023 17:02:19 GMT -5
Lol. We're going to get crushed. I want the girls to have fun, bond, work on skills, enjoy the trip to Hawaii, and don't take the losses too personally. This is a lot of added time working together with the coaches out there, so I'm all on board. I hope they get a lot out of it. The coaches have come out and said as much. Essentially this first year of beach is extended Spring Training for indoor. JE has said that this will be the first time for some players ever to play beach and some of them might not make the final cut for the team. And he also said that some of them, quite frankly, won't be good enough to make a college beach team. I think this year's team will start with very low expectations.
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Post by braque on Feb 14, 2023 17:05:59 GMT -5
Looks hard to run around in that soft sand, probably very tiring especially for players used to hard courts. But fun anyway!
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Post by slxpress on Feb 14, 2023 17:50:06 GMT -5
Lol. We're going to get crushed. I want the girls to have fun, bond, work on skills, enjoy the trip to Hawaii, and don't take the losses too personally. This is a lot of added time working together with the coaches out there, so I'm all on board. I hope they get a lot out of it. The coaches have come out and said as much. Essentially this first year of beach is extended Spring Training for indoor. JE has said that this will be the first time for some players ever to play beach and some of them might not make the final cut for the team. And he also said that some of them, quite frankly, won't be good enough to make a college beach team. I think this year's team will start with very low expectations. I've had low expectations since the team was announced. Don't care. I like it anyway. Someone else came on and said something along the lines of, "These are talented, proud players. This is Texas. You guys are going to be surprised!" Nope. I'm not going to be surprised at all. They're going to get crushed. There's a reason Nebraska isn't competitive in beach. They don't have a beach coach. They don't recruit beach players dedicated to beach. Beach volleyball is there simply for the additional training with coaches it provides. We're in the same situation this year. Thank goodness that's not our tack as a program. To me if we field a program, we should have the aspiration of competing at the highest level. I don't care if they made tiddlywinks a varsity sport. I want to win the tiddlywinks national championship. I'm proud that that's always been what the athletic department at Texas aspires to, even if varying levels of incompetence gets in the way of that at times. Next year is when things start to get serious. This year should be about the extra training, bonding, and having some fun with it.
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Post by stevehorn on Feb 14, 2023 18:36:44 GMT -5
The coaches have come out and said as much. Essentially this first year of beach is extended Spring Training for indoor. JE has said that this will be the first time for some players ever to play beach and some of them might not make the final cut for the team. And he also said that some of them, quite frankly, won't be good enough to make a college beach team. I think this year's team will start with very low expectations. I've had low expectations since the team was announced. Don't care. I like it anyway. Someone else came on and said something along the lines of, "These are talented, proud players. This is Texas. You guys are going to be surprised!" Nope. I'm not going to be surprised at all. They're going to get crushed. There's a reason Nebraska isn't competitive in beach. They don't have a beach coach. They don't recruit beach players dedicated to beach. Beach volleyball is there simply for the additional training with coaches it provides. We're in the same situation this year. Thank goodness that's not our tack as a program. To me if we field a program, we should have the aspiration of competing at the highest level. I don't care if they made tiddlywinks a varsity sport. I want to win the tiddlywinks national championship. I'm proud that that's always been what the athletic department at Texas aspires to, even if varying levels of incompetence gets in the way of that at times. Next year is when things start to get serious. This year should be about the extra training, bonding, and having some fun with it. And a couple of nice trips.
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Post by widdledumpling on Feb 14, 2023 18:55:36 GMT -5
everyone else: *foaming at the mouth clawing at each other* mln: yay we won a championship
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Post by hornfanaustin on Feb 14, 2023 19:02:42 GMT -5
everyone else: *foaming at the mouth clawing at each other* mln: yay we won a championship SKT's wide smile and hugging her mini-trophy at the bottom right is the best.
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Post by slxpress on Feb 14, 2023 19:15:59 GMT -5
everyone else: *foaming at the mouth clawing at each other* mln: yay we won a championship SKT's wide smile and hugging her mini-trophy at the bottom right is the best.
Where is she from originally?
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Post by widdledumpling on Feb 14, 2023 19:50:36 GMT -5
Okay so I’m re-studying for the LSAT to become a tutor: allow me to nerd out a bit on the arguments we’re having in this thread.
A lot of people like coming onto this thread and saying that JE is a “bad” coach or isn’t a “good” coach.
1) we’ve got a definitional problem here. What is a good coach or a bad coach? Everyone has their own definitions—post-season success, individual player development, recruiting, overall program management. Very few people actually say what their definition is up front. I suspect many don’t know, and if they’re not specific, they get to ignore any contrary evidence and go “well, he’s not good at THIS thing.”
2) “JE isn’t a good coach” is a conclusion. We need support for that conclusion. I have seen only like four reasons for this conclusion across all the threads I’ve been on. Note: I’m not saying anyone currently on this thread has said all of these.
A) “he’s not a good coach. If he was, he would have won more national championships.” First, this is severely weakened by the second NC. You can argue he should have won more (how many more?? Be specific) but two in ten years is elite and puts him in a very small group of coaches. It also disqualifies many of your faves from being “good coaches”
B) “he’s not a good coach. Just look at him/the way he coaches.” Uhhh. It should be obvious that this isn’t a valid argument. Or really an argument at all. That doesn’t stop people
C) “he’s not a good coach. He doesn’t develop players.” This isn’t so much support for the argument as it is an entire separate conclusion that needs its own support. Players have developed at Texas. Whether they would have developed more at other programs is a counter factual that can’t ever actually take place (if a player transfers and improves at another program, there is no guarantee they wouldn’t have improved just as much at Texas). There is also the definitional issue above—if good coach = player development, you should 1) state that upfront and 2) clarify how good of a developer you need to be—presumably you don’t have to be the best developer to be a good coach, otherwise there’s one good coach in the country.
D) “he’s not a good coach. Everyone on Volleytalk who isn’t a Longhorn homer would agree with me.” 1) would they? Really? Every single poster? Doubtful. 2) ah, the 1000 Frenchmen can’t be wrong defense. First, volleytalk isn’t really the most impartial place to poll people. And a lot of people on here have sour grapes. Second, other groups of people with arguably higher expertise have voted JE Coach of the Year in his conference and nationally. Hypothetically polling a bunch of randos on an Internet forum isn’t the slam dunk you think it is
I’m getting offline for today, so feel free to formulate other reasons in my absence. Just be ready to defend, to a bunch of Texas fans, whatever your reasoning is.
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