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Post by huskyvolley on Dec 18, 2022 11:52:40 GMT -5
Has anyone put together a list of VB transfers by conference? It doesn't seem like PAC schools have seen a major influx of top players from other conferences. Am I wrong about that? I don’t have the numbers, but I don’t think that’s necessarily true. It’s just that the Pac schools didn’t capitalize the transfers. USC - Fields (Texas), Miller (Notre Dame), Williams (WSU), Barry (USD, UCLA), Tuaniga (LBSU) UCLA - McCall (TCU), Cole (Duke), Dueck (Cal Poly), Forte (Cal, Florida), McKissock (GT) Utah - Van Der Werff (Middle Tennessee State), Jardine (Wisconsin), Oilar (Feather River College), Robinson (BYU), Hammond (Rhode Island) Colorado - Hadrych (UCLA), Hart (Iowa State), Arizona - Gedikoglu (Tulsa) ASU - Boiseau (CSUB), Ravnsborg (Kansas State), Shields (Louisville), Jeter (Texas A&M), McLaughlin (SUNY Geneseo)
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Dec 18, 2022 12:16:45 GMT -5
some things are counterintuitive. social media creates a lot perception for instance, the idea there will be two megaconferences, simply because two media giants can disporportionally fund two conferences more than others doesn't mean it will play out that way attendance is important, but not some end-all, it's a different culture out west, doesn't mean VB won't have powerhouses out west. Pac-12 teams still draw well, that they may not draw 4000 a game isn't a big deal, now if it is miniscule, then yeah Pac-12 is likely to add SDSU, now is that great or important for VB? probably not. in terms of VB, probably the biggest fan for that out west is Hilliard, his sales pitch will get a lot better with 11 teams, or 10, or 12, a Pac-xx does have something other larger conferences don't have, more sustainment of existing rivalries, that the new mega-conferences are destroying save for a few the Pac-12 has the draw of strong academic programs and high quality VB, that doesn't change Oregon and Stanford made the elite 8, and close to final four, hard to argue the Pac-12 wasn't top tier and isn't top tier UCLA & USC have to sell athletes now of some brutal travel. maybe ok in the age of xfers to sell for a year or two. the SEC adn B1G won't be able to shut out the Pac-xx IF it stays together. to do otherwise would make NCs a joke. while Oregon and Washing (and Utah) of course would covet B1G and maybe lesser B12 (& no they REALLY DO NOT WANT TO BE in THAT BIG12), the Pac-x can still carve a unique identity. with an expanded football playoff, now it's likely to have 1, and maybe two entrants most years in a 12 team tourney. for VB, just don't see how ORegon, Utah, Stanford, Washington suffer that much, they'll still be in a great conference. Cal could still revamp and become relevent for VB. Arizona will still have growth potential. . UCLA & USC making a money run, doesn't change that opportunity still exists for the rest of the Pac-xx, even with some (less of course) exposure in LA. In fact, it would be interesting if the Pac-xx moved their basketball and football playoffs to a neutral Socal site in the future, avoid Vegas saturation, it's not like that wouldn't generate interest. I"m sure SOfi stadium would find a Pac-xx playoff an attractive event. UCLA & USC are going to be BEGGING for non-conference matches vs. Pac-xx teams, the Pac-xx would be wise to band together to make them PAY for that opportunity on their terms now. Of course UCLA/USC will try to throw their weight around. the Pac-xx (and all western schools) should to a degree go tell them to go f*ck themselves. Lol, if you think the Pac-12 (including volleyball) won't be hurt by the loss of USC and UCLA, you're kidding yourself. Edit: the last paragraph is especially hilarious. You think USC cares if they can't play Pac-12 schools in football anymore? First of all, Pac-12 teams would be stupid to decline a game with what is likely to be a perennial top 10 blue blood. And second, USC wants to get away from the rest of the Pac-12. In football especially, I think USC is absolutely gleeful to leave Oregon behind because the Ducks have been a real thorn in their side in the last decade or so. I would be surprised if USC schedules Oregon out of conference for a while. They might be fine with playing a tune-up against Arizona or Cal or something like that. agree, USC won't care about non-conf not playing Pac-xx for FOOTBALL. it's only a couple of non-conf games anyway. but for the other sports yes, they'll care cause they'll already have enough of a travel issue with the move. not saying they won't schedule UCLA/USC for other, but they should not let those two schools dictate the terms agree USC is gleeful about this.....for FOOTBALL I doubt not so much for everything else, but this was all driven by football. and that IS USC's problem overall in this (other than Football), which again since Football is #1 by miles for USC. it's not the same for UCLA, since UCLA isn't as football centric as USC
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 18, 2022 12:22:44 GMT -5
Lol, if you think the Pac-12 (including volleyball) won't be hurt by the loss of USC and UCLA, you're kidding yourself. Edit: the last paragraph is especially hilarious. You think USC cares if they can't play Pac-12 schools in football anymore? First of all, Pac-12 teams would be stupid to decline a game with what is likely to be a perennial top 10 blue blood. And second, USC wants to get away from the rest of the Pac-12. In football especially, I think USC is absolutely gleeful to leave Oregon behind because the Ducks have been a real thorn in their side in the last decade or so. I would be surprised if USC schedules Oregon out of conference for a while. They might be fine with playing a tune-up against Arizona or Cal or something like that. agree, USC won't care about non-conf not playing Pac-xx for FOOTBALL. it's only a couple of non-conf games anyway. but for the other sports yes, they'll care cause they'll already have enough of a travel issue with the move. not saying they won't schedule UCLA/USC for other, but they should not let those two schools dictate the terms agree USC is gleeful about this.....for FOOTBALL I doubt not so much for everything else, but this was all driven by football. and that IS USC's problem overall in this (other than Football), which again since Football is #1 by miles for USC. it's not the same for UCLA, since UCLA isn't as football centric as USC I really doubt other Pac-12 schools will stop playing USC and UCLA in Olympic sports, as both schools have been historically excellent in that department. If you're a Pac-12 school looking for a good non-conference opponent in volleyball, would you really turn down USC and/or UCLA just to spite them? I don't think the Pac-12 schools should allow the terms to be onerous (e.g. home match for USC/UCLA with no return), but I think they'll still keep playing them a lot.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Dec 18, 2022 12:30:49 GMT -5
agree, USC won't care about non-conf not playing Pac-xx for FOOTBALL. it's only a couple of non-conf games anyway. but for the other sports yes, they'll care cause they'll already have enough of a travel issue with the move. not saying they won't schedule UCLA/USC for other, but they should not let those two schools dictate the terms agree USC is gleeful about this.....for FOOTBALL I doubt not so much for everything else, but this was all driven by football. and that IS USC's problem overall in this (other than Football), which again since Football is #1 by miles for USC. it's not the same for UCLA, since UCLA isn't as football centric as USC I really doubt other Pac-12 schools will stop playing USC and UCLA in Olympic sports, as both schools have been historically excellent in that department. If you're a Pac-12 school looking for a good non-conference opponent in volleyball, would you really turn down USC and/or UCLA just to spite them? I don't think the Pac-12 schools should allow the terms to be onerous (e.g. home match for USC/UCLA with no return), but I think they'll still keep playing them a lot. again, I'm not saying they stop, just that they make the conditions for playing them even and not one-sided, as you point out, as a conference they should enact conditions, even for football, such as home and aways required and broadcast rights for their media
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Dec 18, 2022 14:21:14 GMT -5
In a Pac 12 VB themed Mean Girls meme, which of the non-departing schools would be represented by each character?
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Post by redbeard2008 on Dec 18, 2022 16:09:26 GMT -5
USC and UCLA going to the B1G is ALL about FOOTBALL and HANGS OUT TO DRY all of their other sports and athletes due to being subjected to BRUTAL TRAVEL SCHEDULES across ALL FOUR Time Zones, all to serve as FARM CLUBS for the NFL. For MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, they've been SOLD DOWN THE RIVER! Anyone who claims otherwise, in my opinion, is either DISHONEST or DELUDED!
I believe that UW, UO, Stanford, and Cal are sticking together, and that they will, as a group, join a "Pacific" Division (USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, UO, U-Dub, Wisco, Nebraska, Minny, and Iowa) of the 2B1G Conference or stay in THE CONFERENCE OF CHAMPIONS.
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Post by tomclen on Dec 18, 2022 16:49:55 GMT -5
I've seen a number of posters and even one D1 coach post TV ratings numbers for some top VB matches this year, usually B1G matches.
But I've never seen a post about TV ratings for any PAC matches. To be fair, maybe I've missed them, but has the PAC12 ever released/published/promoted ratings for the VT coverage?
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Post by stablgenius on Dec 18, 2022 17:30:27 GMT -5
Pac-10 or Pac-12 (SD St and SMU) is going to be fine . . . Once the Pac is on every streaming and cable platform . . . Kids growing up on the West Coast can watch the Big 10 and SEC but can’t get the Pac. That has to stop ASAP.
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Post by hammer on Dec 18, 2022 18:07:14 GMT -5
Hambly said something interesting during one of his last chalk talks when asked about USC and UCLA going to the B1G: "Now we'll have an open date at the end of the year to schedule a good team like Texas". And, of course, as others have pointed out, in pre-conference, Stanford might attempt to schedule USC and/or UCLA (provided they are projected to be highly ranked teams).
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Post by trojansc on Dec 18, 2022 18:10:04 GMT -5
USC and UCLA going to the B1G is ALL about FOOTBALL and HANGS OUT TO DRY all of their other sports and athletes due to being subjected to BRUTAL TRAVEL SCHEDULES across ALL FOUR Time Zones, all to serve as FARM CLUBS for the NFL. For MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, they've been SOLD DOWN THE RIVER! Anyone who claims otherwise, in my opinion, is either DISHONEST or DELUDED! I believe that UW, UO, Stanford, and Cal are sticking together, and that they will, as a group, join a "Pacific" Division (USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, UO, U-Dub, Wisco, Nebraska, Minny, and Iowa) of the 2B1G Conference or stay in THE CONFERENCE OF CHAMPIONS. Lol. The travel schedule is not going to be nearly as “brutal” as you are predicting. PAC teams go east coast in the non-conference and 8 hour bus rides were not out of the ordinary. 3 hour flights (4-5 at tops for the “worst trips” are not a significant difference.
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 18, 2022 18:29:31 GMT -5
Hambly said something interesting during one of this last chalk talks when asked about USC and UCLA going to the B1G: "Now we'll have an open date at the end of the year to schedule a good team like Texas". And, of course, as others have pointed out, in pre-conference, Stanford might attempt to schedule USC and/or UCLA (provided they are projected to be highly ranked teams). I think Stanford will be fine as long as the Pac-12 holds together. They're Stanford.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Dec 18, 2022 18:35:05 GMT -5
USC and UCLA going to the B1G is ALL about FOOTBALL and HANGS OUT TO DRY all of their other sports and athletes due to being subjected to BRUTAL TRAVEL SCHEDULES across ALL FOUR Time Zones, all to serve as FARM CLUBS for the NFL. For MONEY, MONEY, MONEY, they've been SOLD DOWN THE RIVER! Anyone who claims otherwise, in my opinion, is either DISHONEST or DELUDED! I believe that UW, UO, Stanford, and Cal are sticking together, and that they will, as a group, join a "Pacific" Division (USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, UO, U-Dub, Wisco, Nebraska, Minny, and Iowa) of the 2B1G Conference or stay in THE CONFERENCE OF CHAMPIONS. Lol. The travel schedule is not going to be nearly as “brutal” as you are predicting. PAC teams go east coast in the non-conference and 8 hour bus rides were not out of the ordinary. 3 hour flights (4-5 at tops for the “worst trips” are not a significant difference. Well, we'll just have to wait and see if the mental health of non-football players is deleteriously impacted. Most of these trips (avg. every other weekend during conference-play) will involve three flights (or two flights and a bus-ride), with two, each, being ~1,500 to 2,800 miles long (~3 1/2 to ~5 hours, flight-time only), plus playing two matches. Sounds pretty gawd-awful to me.
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Post by raian13 on Dec 19, 2022 2:24:22 GMT -5
Stanford will carry the conference (again) next season.
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Post by volleyaudience on Dec 23, 2022 18:11:45 GMT -5
First, In the big picture of 300 plus schools, west coast teams and the PAC will remain relevant and competitive. UCLA and USC departing are not a cause for concern, they are an endorsement of trends. So, What are issues? In my personal opinion: Money. 16% of the population lives in Pacific Time Zone. The whole of volleyball world is no longer contained by west coast. Less national press following. Limited TV match exposure. Later matches. ....So, recruits are less exposed to the schools.
If your focus is on competition inside the west coast conferences, being competitive and in on national discussions. Not that much will change. Acquisition of schools away from the ocean mitigates some of the limitations.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Dec 23, 2022 18:26:31 GMT -5
How do you rank the western conferences in VB?
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