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Post by volleyguy on Dec 20, 2022 23:52:45 GMT -5
and you guys joke about it and make fun of the governors trying to find solutions and in the meantime the rapes and assaults continue and these innocents keep getting swindled and treated like garbage because your leaders care more about politics than lives. You people are frankly as disgraceful as joe. Most Republicans don’t want to vote for immigration reform—they simply won’t do it. These problems have been going on for years regardless of which party is in charge. There are labor shortages and a lot of good reasons to reform immigration. Why won’t they propose their plan and look for a solution? Because it’s good politics for them—and for you to blame it all on Democrats and Biden—and you know it.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Dec 21, 2022 0:05:02 GMT -5
Let's be honest. It doesn't matter if the President goes to the border or not, you're going to whine no matter what. If the President doesn't go, you'll complain he doesn't care. If he does go, you'll complain it's just for a photo op - kind of like this a$$hole who showed up in Texas even though he's the governor of Florida. The reality is that a Presidential visit to, say, El Paso, is more trouble than it's worth. It's expensive, it takes away local resources, and a few hours later the President is back on AF1 headed to D.C. Being President is being the CEO of a huge organization. There's a cabinet-level department with 240,000 employees and a director who has direct access to the President whose job is largely focused on America's borders. At any given hour the President has detailed real-time reports of conditions at the border on which to base decisions. This is how the executive branch is supposed to work, and it's far more effective than just showing up at a border facility for a press conference. you missed the point Ged....these communities are struggling and drowning due to his decisions. Thats a fact. They do not have enough rescources, agents or money. They are being overrun with people. And....these poor people just wanting a better life. They have given their life saving to Coyotes, drug lord slimeballs who could care less about the value of life. The administration has made it incredible luctrative and easy for those miserable human being to operate and thrive. Do you know what disappoints me the most about your thoughts. Do you have idea idea what these border agents are going through on a daily basis. They have families and little girls and to see these young girls that are five or six with dead eyes that show no emotion because they have been raped repeatedly by the very people that have taken all their famililies money? What do you think that does to these fathers and mothers who use their own wages often to cloth, feed and take care of these kids and young woman? And your president cannot be bothered. Your leader has enabled this and I am so effing sick of you people making excuses for a President who could care less about those little girls and he can't even be bothered to come down and tell the agents," I know its hell down here and we are trying to change up things to make it better for you?" Nope. None of you people care enough to make the changes to keep these people safe. You close down the border not because its politically advantageous but because you care. You take away the coyotes business of smuggling these folks and you have numerious secure check points to take care of this people who just want a chance at a future. They deserve it and they sure as hell don't deserve to be poltical pawns by Joe. This disingenuous mess of self-righteousness largely ignores what I actually wrote. It also completely ignores the fact that the current administration has largely kept the policies of the prior administration intact, minus the dumb-ass wall and the intentional cruelty of family separation. It also completely ignores what the requested funds are earmarked for: More agents, more security, more enforcement, and more resources to process asylum requests in a more timely manner (which means faster deportations, which should warm your heart). While we're on the topic, you have also ignored the complete lack of interest the Republican party has shown in actually addressing immigration reform. You'll likely come up with some deflection or non-sequitur, but those are the facts. But you keep those Tucker Carlson-approved blinders on and continue to lecture all of us about the conditions at the border from the safety of your barcalounger in Nebraska.
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Post by oldnewbie on Dec 21, 2022 0:24:50 GMT -5
you missed the point Ged....these communities are struggling and drowning due to his decisions. Thats a fact. They do not have enough rescources, agents or money. They are being overrun with people. And....these poor people just wanting a better life. They have given their life saving to Coyotes, drug lord slimeballs who could care less about the value of life. The administration has made it incredible luctrative and easy for those miserable human being to operate and thrive. Do you know what disappoints me the most about your thoughts. Do you have idea idea what these border agents are going through on a daily basis. They have families and little girls and to see these young girls that are five or six with dead eyes that show no emotion because they have been raped repeatedly by the very people that have taken all their famililies money? What do you think that does to these fathers and mothers who use their own wages often to cloth, feed and take care of these kids and young woman? And your president cannot be bothered. Your leader has enabled this and I am so effing sick of you people making excuses for a President who could care less about those little girls and he can't even be bothered to come down and tell the agents," I know its hell down here and we are trying to change up things to make it better for you?" Nope. None of you people care enough to make the changes to keep these people safe. You close down the border not because its politically advantageous but because you care. You take away the coyotes business of smuggling these folks and you have numerious secure check points to take care of this people who just want a chance at a future. They deserve it and they sure as hell don't deserve to be poltical pawns by Joe. Sounds like you are advocating for an open border to take away business from the coyotes? If not that, then what? The border ranches that are being overrun? Yes, overrun with cheap labor. Ranchers just hate cheap labor. Republicans just hate cheap labor. That is why they don't want a real solution. Democrats hope to increase their voting base in the future, so they don't want a real solution. You are complaining about it. What is your real solution? Whatever it is, the Republicans are not acting on it. They are just trying to make a pretend issue out of it as a wedge, just like they have done for many decades now.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 21, 2022 1:21:32 GMT -5
The GOP has no interest in immigration reform. They also have no interest in actually eliminating undocumented workers. They like things just the way they are right now, with the workers here working (for less money, and with a lot less legal protection, and with no vote), and they also like being able to use this as fodder for the GOP voter base.
If our immigration issues were actually fixed, then how would they be able to blame the Democrats?
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Dec 21, 2022 1:45:10 GMT -5
and you guys joke about it and make fun of the governors trying to find solutions and in the meantime the rapes and assaults continue and these innocents keep getting swindled and treated like garbage because your leaders care more about politics than lives. You people are frankly as disgraceful as joe. I'm absolutely making fun of a Governor from a non-border state showing up in Texas in a cheesy windbreaker with "Governor of Florida" stenciled on it, and for no other reason than to attempt to burnish his cred with the MAGA crowd. No solutions, no policy recommendations, just trying to fire another shot in the culture wars. Oh, and photo ops. Lots of photo ops.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 21, 2022 4:17:41 GMT -5
and you guys joke about it and make fun of the governors trying to find solutions and in the meantime the rapes and assaults continue and these innocents keep getting swindled and treated like garbage because your leaders care more about politics than lives. You people are frankly as disgraceful as joe. Most Republicans don’t want to vote for immigration reform—they simply won’t do it. These problems have been going on for years regardless of which party is in charge. There are labor shortages and a lot of good reasons to reform immigration. Why won’t they propose their plan and look for a solution? Because it’s good politics for them—and for you to blame it all on Democrats and Biden—and you know it. Once again this is dissolved into a political pissing match which is exactly what I said was the problem. You’ve offered zero solutions. Big surprise.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 21, 2022 4:21:27 GMT -5
you missed the point Ged....these communities are struggling and drowning due to his decisions. Thats a fact. They do not have enough rescources, agents or money. They are being overrun with people. And....these poor people just wanting a better life. They have given their life saving to Coyotes, drug lord slimeballs who could care less about the value of life. The administration has made it incredible luctrative and easy for those miserable human being to operate and thrive. Do you know what disappoints me the most about your thoughts. Do you have idea idea what these border agents are going through on a daily basis. They have families and little girls and to see these young girls that are five or six with dead eyes that show no emotion because they have been raped repeatedly by the very people that have taken all their famililies money? What do you think that does to these fathers and mothers who use their own wages often to cloth, feed and take care of these kids and young woman? And your president cannot be bothered. Your leader has enabled this and I am so effing sick of you people making excuses for a President who could care less about those little girls and he can't even be bothered to come down and tell the agents," I know its hell down here and we are trying to change up things to make it better for you?" Nope. None of you people care enough to make the changes to keep these people safe. You close down the border not because its politically advantageous but because you care. You take away the coyotes business of smuggling these folks and you have numerious secure check points to take care of this people who just want a chance at a future. They deserve it and they sure as hell don't deserve to be poltical pawns by Joe. This disingenuous mess of self-righteousness largely ignores what I actually wrote. It also completely ignores the fact that the current administration has largely kept the policies of the prior administration intact, minus the dumb-ass wall and the intentional cruelty of family separation. It also completely ignores what the requested funds are earmarked for: More agents, more security, more enforcement, and more resources to process asylum requests in a more timely manner (which means faster deportations, which should warm your heart). While we're on the topic, you have also ignored the complete lack of interest the Republican party has shown in actually addressing immigration reform. You'll likely come up with some deflection or non-sequitur, but those are the facts. But you keep those Tucker Carlson-approved blinders on and continue to lecture all of us about the conditions at the border from the safety of your barcalounger in Nebraska. are you on crack cocaine? These are the policies that Donald Trump had? The same president he was trying to build the wall because he understood that it wasn’t really about the wall, it’s about having some control over your own border and not allowing other people to call the shots ,And you all use this idiotic term of doing immigration reform when none of you mean it. You want your version of immigration reform. Not the logical step of immigration reform. It’s a effing disaster.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 21, 2022 4:22:55 GMT -5
and you guys joke about it and make fun of the governors trying to find solutions and in the meantime the rapes and assaults continue and these innocents keep getting swindled and treated like garbage because your leaders care more about politics than lives. You people are frankly as disgraceful as joe. I'm absolutely making fun of a Governor from a non-border state showing up in Texas in a cheesy windbreaker with "Governor of Florida" stenciled on it, and for no other reason than to attempt to burnish his cred with the MAGA crowd. No solutions, no policy recommendations, just trying to fire another shot in the culture wars. Oh, and photo ops. Lots of photo ops. Pissing match number two. Congratulations, you’ve solved nothing.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 21, 2022 4:23:35 GMT -5
The GOP has no interest in immigration reform. They also have no interest in actually eliminating undocumented workers. They like things just the way they are right now, with the workers here working (for less money, and with a lot less legal protection, and with no vote), and they also like being able to use this as fodder for the GOP voter base. If our immigration issues were actually fixed, then how would they be able to blame the Democrats? Pissing match number three, as usual, no solutions.
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Post by longboards on Dec 21, 2022 8:22:08 GMT -5
The GOP has no interest in immigration reform. They also have no interest in actually eliminating undocumented workers. They like things just the way they are right now, with the workers here working (for less money, and with a lot less legal protection, and with no vote), and they also like being able to use this as fodder for the GOP voter base. If our immigration issues were actually fixed, then how would they be able to blame the Democrats? Pissing match number three, as usual, no solutions. What specifically did Biden do to enable drugs and smuggling? Do you support the $3.5 billion to improve the border?
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 21, 2022 8:28:36 GMT -5
Pissing match number three, as usual, no solutions. What specifically did Biden do to enable drugs and smuggling? Do you support the $3.5 billion to improve the border? it depends on what the 3.5 billion is? Liberals always have all kinds of crap that has nothing to do with stopping the flow of millions of people. It’s not going to matter if you have all kinds of cameras or whatever else if people are just walking over the border.Nothing, absolutely nothing, is going to change unless you build a solid wall and have checkpoints. Anything else is just stupid and you know it.But, you people just can’t grasp that and you will continue spending money on idiotically things and the massive amount of people will continue. Because honestly that’s what you really want.
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Post by moody on Dec 21, 2022 8:36:22 GMT -5
What specifically did Biden do to enable drugs and smuggling? Do you support the $3.5 billion to improve the border? it depends on what the 3.5 billion is? Liberals always have all kinds of crap that has nothing to do with stopping the flow of millions of people. It’s not going to matter if you have all kinds of cameras or whatever else if people are just walking over the border.Nothing, absolutely nothing, is going to change unless you build a solid wall and have checkpoints. Anything else is just stupid and you know it.But, you people just can’t grasp that and you will continue spending money on idiotically things and the massive amount of people will continue. Because honestly that’s what you really want. Are people currently "just walking over the border?" What type of wall are you planning to build that people are incapable of scaling?
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 21, 2022 8:55:34 GMT -5
it depends on what the 3.5 billion is? Liberals always have all kinds of crap that has nothing to do with stopping the flow of millions of people. It’s not going to matter if you have all kinds of cameras or whatever else if people are just walking over the border.Nothing, absolutely nothing, is going to change unless you build a solid wall and have checkpoints. Anything else is just stupid and you know it.But, you people just can’t grasp that and you will continue spending money on idiotically things and the massive amount of people will continue. Because honestly that’s what you really want. Are people currently "just walking over the border?" What type of wall are you planning to build that people are incapable of scaling? you can build fences that keep people in prison but yet we can’t build a fence to keep people out of our country?
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Post by moody on Dec 21, 2022 9:14:01 GMT -5
Are people currently "just walking over the border?" What type of wall are you planning to build that people are incapable of scaling? you can build fences that keep people in prison but yet we can’t build a fence to keep people out of our country? size matters.
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 21, 2022 9:23:48 GMT -5
Most Republicans don’t want to vote for immigration reform—they simply won’t do it. These problems have been going on for years regardless of which party is in charge. There are labor shortages and a lot of good reasons to reform immigration. Why won’t they propose their plan and look for a solution? Because it’s good politics for them—and for you to blame it all on Democrats and Biden—and you know it. Once again this is dissolved into a political pissing match which is exactly what I said was the problem. You’ve offered zero solutions. Big surprise. The guy who blames everything on Biden and Democrats is complaining about pissing matches. I’ve offered my take several times, but also, I’m not Congress and don’t make laws. And of course, you didn’t offer any solutions because that limits your ability to complain about the other side.
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