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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jan 31, 2023 17:56:20 GMT -5
I completely agree with your last statement! Maybe it's semantics, but I wouldn't call a goal of being a Sweet 16 or National Champion a narrow standard. To be a top 16, Final Four or NC team, you have to exceed all the other lesser standards--it's simply a lofty, and even unrealistic, standard for just about every Big West team. ok, let me clarify to be more specific. I meant as stand-alone standard, as if that's the main driver for the college experience to chase a title or berth IMO that's narrow, sans factors of the university, degree, environment, teaching, all sorts of factors.. of course, the sweet 16, etc, that's a worthy goal in and of itself the NCAA games might be for vast majority of college players might be just 2-3 in an entire 4 year career for many. so having one to two weeks of a college career dictate things... and I get it, players want to be on teams that win, and players want to play. |
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Post by beachgrad on Jan 31, 2023 23:05:04 GMT -5
Of course what have you done for me lately is important but Cal Poly has been the second best program to Hawaii before and during the Walters tenure. It has been hard for a lot of teams to catch and overcome Hawaii but Poly's program can achieve this with a couple good and strategic recruits. That goes for most programs and I believe Walters is a sold coach. However, I see LBSU getting back to the top very soon... I don't see any additions to the Long Beach roster to support the idea that they'll be surpassing Hawai'i. Hawaii should once again be the favorite next season with Igiede leading the team but the following year should be interesting. Tyler had to install a new system to all new players so I expect once the system is established with all his players things will start rolling. I hope that is next season but more likely the following season will have them as a real contender. |
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 31, 2023 23:23:19 GMT -5
I don't see any additions to the Long Beach roster to support the idea that they'll be surpassing Hawai'i. Hawaii should once again be the favorite next season with Igiede leading the team but the following year should be interesting. Tyler had to install a new system to all new players so I expect once the system is established with all his players things will start rolling. I hope that is next season but more likely the following season will have them as a real contender. Tyler's system requires an athleticism that doesn't currently exist on his roster. It's also a fairly predictable system that therefore doesn't tolerate much of a learning period. The key will be Meyer's development and whether she can become flexible enough to choose judiciously between the preferred system, and her more "traditional" options--like Kennedy. That development will go a long way to determining whether Long Beach turns the corner. |
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Post by jake on Feb 1, 2023 13:43:26 GMT -5
and so you must BELIEVE that Poly can get a better coach? and I'm not necessarily saying they cannot. the Nelson/Van Winden situation was much more complex that an 'inheriting' statement suggests. Crosson was the one that actually lucked into that situation more than Walters. Walters didn't screw it up at least, and actually built on that. If you are the AD, what could you do to sell CP to attract top coaches to come? I think a part of the reason why Walters was promoted to HC is because they probably did not want to go through the hassle of looking nationally. But I do wonder if they considered hiring someone else. CP is not a bad school, they should be considered too 75-100 every year. And they are in CA which is hot bed for recruits. Bottomline is if Walters can’t get her team out of the funk on the next 2 years, CP might never recover. What is your definition of CAL POLY's team being in the "funk"? Let's not forget POLY has split the last six matches (3-3) with UH since coach Walters has been the head coach. Which other conference team has done better? |
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Post by raian13 on Feb 1, 2023 14:01:25 GMT -5
Gotta set higher standards if you think you deserve them ok, so you think it's a matter of Cal Poly not having high standards? lol actually I think a lot of it is perceived standards, and priorities. chasing a sweet 16 or natty to me can be a very narrow standard, but that's my opinion The set standards are for impact transfers. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Feb 1, 2023 14:05:59 GMT -5
ok, so you think it's a matter of Cal Poly not having high standards? lol actually I think a lot of it is perceived standards, and priorities. chasing a sweet 16 or natty to me can be a very narrow standard, but that's my opinion The set standards are for impact transfers. please enumerate those standards |
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Post by raian13 on Feb 1, 2023 14:21:56 GMT -5
The set standards are for impact transfers. please enumerate those standards If you’re an impact transfer coming from a P5 conference, you would expect to play for a team that’s expected to be winning the conference and regularly going to the post-season tournament. That could be a factor how they were able to land Stockham. So like I said, transfer recruiting will be hard for Walters unless she does a miracle in coaching/training her current roster to be at least an at-large contender year after year. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Feb 1, 2023 14:24:47 GMT -5
please enumerate those standards If you’re an impact transfer coming from a P5 conference, you would expect to play for a team that’s expected to be winning the conference and regularly going to the post-season tournament. That could be a factor how they were able to land Stockham. So like I said, transfer recruiting will be hard for Walters unless she does a miracle in coaching/training her current roster to be at least an at-large contender year after year. so define expect to win a conference to make it easy for all transfers, just list them and to be clear, you think transfers should bother with anyone on that list!? and to be clear, she needs a miracle, like it's impossible otherwise? |
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Post by raian13 on Feb 1, 2023 14:31:20 GMT -5
If you’re an impact transfer coming from a P5 conference, you would expect to play for a team that’s expected to be winning the conference and regularly going to the post-season tournament. That could be a factor how they were able to land Stockham. So like I said, transfer recruiting will be hard for Walters unless she does a miracle in coaching/training her current roster to be at least an at-large contender year after year. so define expect to win a conference to make it easy for all transfers, just list them and to be clear, you think transfers should bother with anyone on that list!? and to be clear, she needs a miracle, like it's impossible otherwise? 1. Winning the conference, Crosson had done it at least twice. 2. Winning conference or getting at large will get you quality/impact transfers. 3.  4. Walters needs a miracle this upcoming season especially Dvoracek is gone. What can she offer transfers to come to her program besides her prior years record? |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Feb 1, 2023 14:37:00 GMT -5
so define expect to win a conference to make it easy for all transfers, just list them and to be clear, you think transfers should bother with anyone on that list!? and to be clear, she needs a miracle, like it's impossible otherwise? 1. Winning the conference, Crosson had done it at least twice. 2. Winning conference or getting at large will get you quality/impact transfers. 3. 4. Walters needs a miracle this upcoming season especially Dvoracek is gone. What can she offer transfers to come to her program besides her prior years record? lol, what can any coach offer to transfers beside prior years record? better academics than most, for one i really have a hard time understanding what you are really getting at. it's like saying 'don't bother, and a team that has finished 3rd two straight years won't get better, and has no chance' Walters record in teh NCAAs is 1-1, she's only been 3 years head coach, had a solid assistant record (on that staff that won two titles), 2nd year was covid again, hard to see what point you are making, like Poly is on some 'precipice' |
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Post by VTK on Feb 1, 2023 15:59:16 GMT -5
Injuries have definitely played a substantial role in Cal Poly’s profession for seasons in a row now. If they get healthy, I say look out! Hiatt was eating Hawaii when she was inserted this past fall in Honolulu. An improved and healthy Stockham and Hiatt plus an improved Bullis doesn’t sound bad to me as a starting point.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Feb 1, 2023 18:08:06 GMT -5
This whole conversation bashing Coach Walters is dumb. All Big West programs took a step backwards with the lost year, and Walters has had to deal with injuries to key players over the years. I think she is one of the best coaches in the Big West. This is a dumb conversation.
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Post by beachgrad on Feb 1, 2023 18:19:11 GMT -5
One look at the roster reveals that Coach Walters likes to redshirt incoming players so she has more time to develop players. It looks clear to me that the coach prefers this method then go heavy in the transfer market. I think this is a solid approach and hope this works as every BW team needs to be successful.
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Post by jake on Feb 2, 2023 13:49:51 GMT -5
One look at the roster reveals that Coach Walters likes to redshirt incoming players so she has more time to develop players. It looks clear to me that the coach prefers this method then go heavy in the transfer market. I think this is a solid approach and hope this works as every BW team needs to be successful. It is a solid approach. At least it was with Maia Dvoracek,...a superstar All American! Problem, nevertheless, other schools are not waiting around to see if their true freshmen improve in one or two seasons. So, your team ends up facing teams with 5-6 experienced senior type players all the time. In order to level that playing field serious holes need to be filled from the "portal". |
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Post by jake on Feb 5, 2023 15:19:06 GMT -5
When does spring ball begin?
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