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Post by raian13 on Jan 31, 2023 13:33:02 GMT -5
It one thing to be able to recruit but it’s also another thing to be able to coach and train. Give Walters a Fields or Eggleston type of player and they’re still going to be in the middle of Big West. She just got extremely lucky to have inherited the Van Windens but that’s the end of an era at CP. She needs to go in a couple years. and so you must BELIEVE that Poly can get a better coach? and I'm not necessarily saying they cannot. the Nelson/Van Winden situation was much more complex that an 'inheriting' statement suggests. Crosson was the one that actually lucked into that situation more than Walters. Walters didn't screw it up at least, and actually built on that. If you are the AD, what could you do to sell CP to attract top coaches to come? I think a part of the reason why Walters was promoted to HC is because they probably did not want to go through the hassle of looking nationally. But I do wonder if they considered hiring someone else. CP is not a bad school, they should be considered too 75-100 every year. And they are in CA which is hot bed for recruits. Bottomline is if Walters can’t get her team out of the funk on the next 2 years, CP might never recover. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jan 31, 2023 14:02:37 GMT -5
and so you must BELIEVE that Poly can get a better coach? and I'm not necessarily saying they cannot. the Nelson/Van Winden situation was much more complex that an 'inheriting' statement suggests. Crosson was the one that actually lucked into that situation more than Walters. Walters didn't screw it up at least, and actually built on that. If you are the AD, what could you do to sell CP to attract top coaches to come? I think a part of the reason why Walters was promoted to HC is because they probably did not want to go through the hassle of looking nationally. But I do wonder if they considered hiring someone else. CP is not a bad school, they should be considered too 75-100 every year. And they are in CA which is hot bed for recruits. Bottomline is if Walters can’t get her team out of the funk on the next 2 years, CP might never recover. well, they are top 75-100 this year. so to your point, they ARE 75-100, sometimes better each year under Walters. It's like some perception being created that's different than reality. and yeah, I get some 'concern' that next year could be tough unless she's got 1 to 2 impact frosh. However, I think Poly has to build with frosh, so I'm not as concerned about not landing xfers right now, and next year could be a bit rough, but Poly has a really good setter. again, some have brought up as if Walters is not performing and a bit of 'panic' and these random postings/musing with no real specific 'plan' of what a change would actually mean. I just don't think that's the situation, frankly, I don't get the 'panic'. They finished 3rd the last two years. Yeah, it's not the goal of winning the Big West and a NCAA bid. But they've been a good solid program that dealt with some untimely injuries. But they are a good team and program. Walters has a very good overall record. yeah, they ain't Hawaii so to answer your question, if I'm the AD of Cal Poly, what would I do? first of all, if I'm the current AD, I'd RESIGN, I've done a crappy job, lol. Football and Basketball are an absolute mess and joke. John Madden's family is agreeing to spend some $20-$30 mil for a training facility (which is nice, don't get me wrong) which IMO is gonna a monument to a disaster. As to VB, VB is one of the few solid programs (with Cross Country!! & Baseball) at Cal Poly. Getting rid of Walters would be a dumb move, UNLESS as the AD I had a plan in place WITH SPECIFICs for a) NIL funding to attract some impact transfers, b) willing to pay more to land and keep a better coach, and even then I'm not sure who out there would be a greater fit right now. I think it is incorrect to say they didn't want to go thru the 'hassle' of a national coach selection. Walters did have a solid record, and yeah her background with teh program was a plus, but that's just too simplistic to put it to not going thru a national search process, which is no guarantee anyway. the fact Walters WANTS to stay at Poly has value, a lot of value IMO. so given all that, if I'm the AD, actually I'd be going to Walters and asking how I can help her recruiting, particularly to draw more elite Socal talent (Poly has been heavily Norcal oriented the last decade understandably) and Out of State talent. I think #1 for the AD is facilitating (same for other Big West schools) NIL associations to draw some other talent. that's my view of it, vs. these regular 'gnashing of the teeth' posts, lol, about alluding to a need to change the coach. as to "may never recover" OMG what a bunch of doomsday malarchy. They rcovered from Stevenson fiasco, they didn't miss a bit from Crosson moving on (how did that work out for Cal?), the issues Cal Poly, like Long Beach & Irvine face is competing for and maintaining top talent in the new era of free agency. The basic answer is if you want to compete I believe you have to have a mechansim for some NIL (doesn't have to be huge) to throw around to supplement a solid reputation, a losing season won't kill a program with a good reputation. Poly can compete academically with anybody except maybe Stanford, that's not an issue. |
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 31, 2023 14:14:54 GMT -5
If you are the AD, what could you do to sell CP to attract top coaches to come? I think a part of the reason why Walters was promoted to HC is because they probably did not want to go through the hassle of looking nationally. But I do wonder if they considered hiring someone else. CP is not a bad school, they should be considered too 75-100 every year. And they are in CA which is hot bed for recruits. Bottomline is if Walters can’t get her team out of the funk on the next 2 years, CP might never recover. well, they are top 75-100 this year. so to your point, they ARE 75-100, sometimes better each year under Walters. It's like some perception being created that's different than reality. and yeah, I get some 'concern' that next year could be tough unless she's got 1 to 2 impact frosh. However, I think Poly has to build with frosh, so I'm not as concerned about not landing xfers right now, and next year could be a bit rough, but Poly has a really good setter. again, some have brought up as if Walters is not performing and a bit of 'panic' and these random postings/musing with no real specific 'plan' of what a change would actually mean. I just don't think that's the situation, frankly, I don't get the 'panic'. They finished 3rd the last two years. Yeah, it's not the goal of winning the Big West and a NCAA bid. But they've been a good solid program that dealt with some untimely injuries. But they are a good team and program. Walters has a very good overall record. yeah, they ain't Hawaii so to answer your question, if I'm the AD of Cal Poly, what would I do? first of all, if I'm the current AD, I'd RESIGN, I've done a crappy job, lol. Football and Basketball are an absolute mess and joke. John Madden's family is agreeing to spend some $20-$30 mil for a training facility (which is nice, don't get me wrong) which IMO is gonna a monument to a disaster. As to VB, VB is one of the few solid programs (with Cross Country!! & Baseball) at Cal Poly. Getting rid of Walters would be a dumb move, UNLESS as the AD I had a plan in place WITH SPECIFICs for a) NIL funding to attract some impact transfers, b) willing to pay more to land and keep a better coach, and even then I'm not sure who out there would be a greater fit right now. I think it is incorrect to say they didn't want to go thru the 'hassle' of a national coach selection. Walters did have a solid record, and yeah her background with teh program was a plus, but that's just too simplistic to put it to not going thru a national search process, which is no guarantee anyway. the fact Walters WANTS to stay at Poly has value, a lot of value IMO. so given all that, if I'm the AD, actually I'd be going to Walters and asking how I can help her recruiting, particularly to draw more elite Socal talent (Poly has been heavily Norcal oriented the last decade understandably) and Out of State talent. I think #1 for the AD is facilitating (same for other Big West schools) NIL associations to draw some other talent. that's my view of it, vs. these regular 'gnashing of the teeth' posts, lol, about alluding to a need to change the coach. Athletic staff facilitating NIL deals is prohibited in California. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jan 31, 2023 14:19:45 GMT -5
well, they are top 75-100 this year. so to your point, they ARE 75-100, sometimes better each year under Walters. It's like some perception being created that's different than reality. and yeah, I get some 'concern' that next year could be tough unless she's got 1 to 2 impact frosh. However, I think Poly has to build with frosh, so I'm not as concerned about not landing xfers right now, and next year could be a bit rough, but Poly has a really good setter. again, some have brought up as if Walters is not performing and a bit of 'panic' and these random postings/musing with no real specific 'plan' of what a change would actually mean. I just don't think that's the situation, frankly, I don't get the 'panic'. They finished 3rd the last two years. Yeah, it's not the goal of winning the Big West and a NCAA bid. But they've been a good solid program that dealt with some untimely injuries. But they are a good team and program. Walters has a very good overall record. yeah, they ain't Hawaii so to answer your question, if I'm the AD of Cal Poly, what would I do? first of all, if I'm the current AD, I'd RESIGN, I've done a crappy job, lol. Football and Basketball are an absolute mess and joke. John Madden's family is agreeing to spend some $20-$30 mil for a training facility (which is nice, don't get me wrong) which IMO is gonna a monument to a disaster. As to VB, VB is one of the few solid programs (with Cross Country!! & Baseball) at Cal Poly. Getting rid of Walters would be a dumb move, UNLESS as the AD I had a plan in place WITH SPECIFICs for a) NIL funding to attract some impact transfers, b) willing to pay more to land and keep a better coach, and even then I'm not sure who out there would be a greater fit right now. I think it is incorrect to say they didn't want to go thru the 'hassle' of a national coach selection. Walters did have a solid record, and yeah her background with teh program was a plus, but that's just too simplistic to put it to not going thru a national search process, which is no guarantee anyway. the fact Walters WANTS to stay at Poly has value, a lot of value IMO. so given all that, if I'm the AD, actually I'd be going to Walters and asking how I can help her recruiting, particularly to draw more elite Socal talent (Poly has been heavily Norcal oriented the last decade understandably) and Out of State talent. I think #1 for the AD is facilitating (same for other Big West schools) NIL associations to draw some other talent. that's my view of it, vs. these regular 'gnashing of the teeth' posts, lol, about alluding to a need to change the coach. Athletic staff facilitating NIL deals is prohibited in California. I didn't say deals. I said associations. if you think ADs & coaches don't talk to those running NILs and 'foster the climate' (whatever plausible deniable behaviour is needed) for NIL 'deals, I don't know what to say, it's naive. the left hand does know what the right hand is doing in regards to NIL, even in California |
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 31, 2023 14:26:34 GMT -5
Athletic staff facilitating NIL deals is prohibited in California. I didn't say deals. I said associations. if you think ADs & coaches don't talk to those running NILs and 'foster the climate' (whatever plausible deniable behaviour is needed) for NIL 'deals, I don't know what to say, it's naive. the left hand does know what the right hand is doing in regards to NIL, even in California I know what AD's and coaches are doing. I just wasn't sure you did. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jan 31, 2023 14:30:42 GMT -5
I didn't say deals. I said associations. if you think ADs & coaches don't talk to those running NILs and 'foster the climate' (whatever plausible deniable behaviour is needed) for NIL 'deals, I don't know what to say, it's naive. the left hand does know what the right hand is doing in regards to NIL, even in California I know what AD's and coaches are doing. I just wasn't sure you did. glad to hear you have the inside scoop on what coaches and ADs are doing. |
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Post by raian13 on Jan 31, 2023 14:42:26 GMT -5
They have rpi 106.
My point is if you are an impact transfer and aware of CP’s struggles to make the NCAA’s (they missed the last 3), would you take chances to come CP? It really sucks that Big West is only a 1 bid league but I honestly think that her clock is ticking. We will see since Dvoracek is gone and it’s still long ways until next season.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 31, 2023 14:51:13 GMT -5
They have rpi 106. My point is if you are an impact transfer and aware of CP’s struggles to make the NCAA’s (they missed the last 3), would you take chances to come CP? It really sucks that Big West is only a 1 bid league but I honestly think that her clock is ticking. We will see since Dvoracek is gone and it’s still long ways until next season. Her clock isn’t ticking any faster than Ashlie Hain’s or Don Connors’s or Lantagne Welch’s. Maybe a non-renewal when actual contracts expire, but the expectations aren’t that high for any of them. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jan 31, 2023 14:56:21 GMT -5
They have rpi 106. My point is if you are an impact transfer and aware of CP’s struggles to make the NCAA’s (they missed the last 3), would you take chances to come CP? It really sucks that Big West is only a 1 bid league but I honestly think that her clock is ticking. We will see since Dvoracek is gone and it’s still long ways until next season. that's RPI. RPI is not a good indicator. Massey is lower along your reasoning, why would anybody go to a mid-major for the most part?. let's just stop sponsoring WVB in the Big West. why go? academics. solid non-conf schedule, compete for a title. avoid the myth that one has to have some 'guaranteed' shot at a natty or playing a NCAA match. Maybe because it's a good career move overall. |
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Post by raian13 on Jan 31, 2023 15:43:16 GMT -5
They have rpi 106. My point is if you are an impact transfer and aware of CP’s struggles to make the NCAA’s (they missed the last 3), would you take chances to come CP? It really sucks that Big West is only a 1 bid league but I honestly think that her clock is ticking. We will see since Dvoracek is gone and it’s still long ways until next season. that's RPI. RPI is not a good indicator. Massey is lower along your reasoning, why would anybody go to a mid-major for the most part?. let's just stop sponsoring WVB in the Big West. why go? academics. solid non-conf schedule, compete for a title. avoid the myth that one has to have some 'guaranteed' shot at a natty or playing a NCAA match. Maybe because it's a good career move overall. Gotta set higher standards if you think you deserve them |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jan 31, 2023 16:13:41 GMT -5
that's RPI. RPI is not a good indicator. Massey is lower along your reasoning, why would anybody go to a mid-major for the most part?. let's just stop sponsoring WVB in the Big West. why go? academics. solid non-conf schedule, compete for a title. avoid the myth that one has to have some 'guaranteed' shot at a natty or playing a NCAA match. Maybe because it's a good career move overall. Gotta set higher standards if you think you deserve them ok, so you think it's a matter of Cal Poly not having high standards? lol actually I think a lot of it is perceived standards, and priorities. chasing a sweet 16 or natty to me can be a very narrow standard, but that's my opinion |
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Post by VTK on Jan 31, 2023 17:24:01 GMT -5
Gotta set higher standards if you think you deserve them ok, so you think it's a matter of Cal Poly not having high standards? lol actually I think a lot of it is perceived standards, and priorities. chasing a sweet 16 or natty to me can be a very narrow standard, but that's my opinion I completely agree with your last statement! |
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 31, 2023 17:31:38 GMT -5
ok, so you think it's a matter of Cal Poly not having high standards? lol actually I think a lot of it is perceived standards, and priorities. chasing a sweet 16 or natty to me can be a very narrow standard, but that's my opinion I completely agree with your last statement! Maybe it's semantics, but I wouldn't call a goal of being a Sweet 16 or National Champion a narrow standard. To be a top 16, Final Four or NC team, you have to exceed all the other lesser standards--it's simply a lofty, and even unrealistic, standard for just about every Big West team. |
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Post by VTK on Jan 31, 2023 17:37:35 GMT -5
I completely agree with your last statement! Maybe it's semantics, but I wouldn't call a goal of being a Sweet 16 or National Champion a narrow standard. To be a top 16, Final Four or NC team, you have to exceed all the other lesser standards--it's simply a lofty, and even unrealistic, standard for just about every Big West team. To clarify, I think it’s narrow to be the only standard to have. I think all teams at any age or level should have a desire to win and many great life lessons come from that. I do also agree with you about winning something like a NC or making an FF is a lofty goal but it is that way for many teams outside of the Big West as well. But to make that your only standard may cause an athlete(s) to put their heads down and grind and miss all the great things that comes with the journey towards such a lofty goal whether it’s achieved or not. |
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 31, 2023 17:42:03 GMT -5
Maybe it's semantics, but I wouldn't call a goal of being a Sweet 16 or National Champion a narrow standard. To be a top 16, Final Four or NC team, you have to exceed all the other lesser standards--it's simply a lofty, and even unrealistic, standard for just about every Big West team. To clarify, I think it’s narrow to be the only standard to have. I think all teams at any age or level should have a desire to win and many great life lessons come from that. I do also agree with you about winning something like a NC or making an FF is a lofty goal but it is that way for many teams outside of the Big West as well. But to make that your only standard may cause an athlete(s) to put their heads down and grind and miss all the great things that comes with the journey towards such a lofty goal whether it’s achieved or not. Agreed. Again, it semantics with the word "standard". I think the idea that judging solely on wins or success in the post-season is a narrow focus, or narrow priority, or narrow standard for judging success for most Big West teams. |
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