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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Mar 15, 2023 12:42:11 GMT -5
You appear to put 100% rights to the mother and 0% rights to the unborn child. Should a child that is 8 to 9 months in the womb have no rights and the mother gets 100% control to kill the baby? I think there is a point where the unborn baby should have rights to live. My view has no more to do with religion than your view. Where does 'one man at the top' dictating school come from? Why does a Democrat run state that makes decisions termed a democratic process and a Republican run state doing the same thing considered a dictatorship? Is Democracy dead in the state of Florida? Is democracy dead in Florida? I don't think so yet, but he is certainly working hard to disenfranchise a large percentage of the state and to increase his power. For democracy to be dead, wouldn’t that mean people no longer have the ability to vote or that their vote doesn’t matter? That doesn’t seem to be the case in Florida yet.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Mar 15, 2023 12:45:35 GMT -5
Is democracy dead in Florida? I don't think so yet, but he is certainly working hard to disenfranchise a large percentage of the state and to increase his power. For democracy to be dead, wouldn’t that mean people no longer have the ability to vote or that their vote doesn’t matter? That doesn’t seem to be the case in Florida yet. I don't know, ask Trump or any of his fake electors. And didn't Desantis campaign heavily for 2020 election deniers?
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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 15, 2023 12:55:12 GMT -5
You appear to put 100% rights to the mother and 0% rights to the unborn child. Should a child that is 8 to 9 months in the womb have no rights and the mother gets 100% control to kill the baby? I think there is a point where the unborn baby should have rights to live. My view has no more to do with religion than your view. Where does 'one man at the top' dictating school come from? Why does a Democrat run state that makes decisions termed a democratic process and a Republican run state doing the same thing considered a dictatorship? Is Democracy dead in the state of Florida? My view is irrelevant because I am not asking you to abide by it. You continue to ignore that very basic fact that is supposed to be fundamental to the laws of our country. I don't care where you want to draw what line, and I am not asking you to agree to my line. Yes, the woman is the sole advocate, and any rights of the "unborn child" come from her and through her. Why do you think you know better than the woman involved and that you should be in control of her health and well being? Why do you have such an inherent distrust of women? Your view wants to impose your will to murder unborn children w/o any consideration for their life. My view is that there are two very important competing rights going on.
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Post by oldnewbie on Mar 15, 2023 12:57:14 GMT -5
My view is irrelevant because I am not asking you to abide by it. You continue to ignore that very basic fact that is supposed to be fundamental to the laws of our country. I don't care where you want to draw what line, and I am not asking you to agree to my line. Yes, the woman is the sole advocate, and any rights of the "unborn child" come from her and through her. Why do you think you know better than the woman involved and that you should be in control of her health and well being? Why do you have such an inherent distrust of women? Your view wants to impose your will to murder unborn children w/o any consideration for their life. My view is that there are two very important competing rights going on. My view is no such thing. Your statement is a load of crap, both now and historically.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Mar 15, 2023 13:07:30 GMT -5
For democracy to be dead, wouldn’t that mean people no longer have the ability to vote or that their vote doesn’t matter? That doesn’t seem to be the case in Florida yet. I don't know, ask Trump or any of his fake electors. And didn't Desantis campaign heavily for 2020 election deniers? Did any of what you said, actually pertain to democracy dying in Florida? Do people of Florida, have the ability to vote DeSantis out of office in the same manner that he was voted in?
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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 15, 2023 13:08:38 GMT -5
Your view wants to impose your will to murder unborn children w/o any consideration for their life. My view is that there are two very important competing rights going on. My view is no such thing. Your statement is a load of crap, both now and historically. Did I misunderstand - you believe that the unborn child has rights?
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Post by moody on Mar 15, 2023 13:16:57 GMT -5
I don't know, ask Trump or any of his fake electors. And didn't Desantis campaign heavily for 2020 election deniers? Did any of what you said, actually pertain to democracy dying in Florida? Do people of Florida, have the ability to vote DeSantis out of office in the same manner that he was voted in? Can you just ever make a point without beating to death your passive aggressive line of questioning. You’re truly not quick enough for what you think are “gotcha questions “
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Post by oldnewbie on Mar 15, 2023 13:26:16 GMT -5
My view is no such thing. Your statement is a load of crap, both now and historically. Did I misunderstand - you believe that the unborn child has rights? "impose your will to murder unborn children" That is an insulting, loaded, piece of crap misstatement of what I said. I have no "will to murder unborn children" and I am certainly not imposing my "will to murder unborn children" on anybody. That is the kind of hateful, divisive rhetoric that causes this non-issue to become super-charged. What I did say is that the rights of the woman come first and foremost and any decision she makes is between her, her doctor and her God. She doesn't need to consult me, you or DeSantis. It is just not a political issue. Never was in the past, and should not be now.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Mar 15, 2023 13:32:20 GMT -5
I don't know, ask Trump or any of his fake electors. And didn't Desantis campaign heavily for 2020 election deniers? Did any of what you said, actually pertain to democracy dying in Florida? Do people of Florida, have the ability to vote DeSantis out of office in the same manner that he was voted in? uh, yea. Guys like this have shown a propensity to go great lengths to retain power outside the democratic process. This along with Desantis's history of removing elected officials who have conflicting political stances sends a pretty chilling message. Wake-up dude, have you been smoking the Hoolie dust?
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Post by moody on Mar 15, 2023 13:49:53 GMT -5
Did any of what you said, actually pertain to democracy dying in Florida? Do people of Florida, have the ability to vote DeSantis out of office in the same manner that he was voted in? uh, yea. Guys like this have shown a propensity to go great lengths to retain power outside the democratic process. This along with Desantis's history of removing elected officials who have conflicting political stances sends a pretty chilling message. Wake-up dude, have you been smoking the Hoolie dust? Let’s not forget Desantis’ highly publicized political stunt of arresting several people for illegally voting after they were told they could vote.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Mar 15, 2023 14:11:19 GMT -5
uh, yea. Guys like this have shown a propensity to go great lengths to retain power outside the democratic process. This along with Desantis's history of removing elected officials who have conflicting political stances sends a pretty chilling message. Wake-up dude, have you been smoking the Hoolie dust? Let’s not forget Desantis’ highly publicized political stunt of arresting several people for illegally voting after they were told they could vote. Did those “several people” turn the tide in DeSantis’ favor? Is that why he won his last election?
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Mar 15, 2023 14:15:39 GMT -5
Did any of what you said, actually pertain to democracy dying in Florida? Do people of Florida, have the ability to vote DeSantis out of office in the same manner that he was voted in? uh, yea. Guys like this have shown a propensity to go great lengths to retain power outside the democratic process. This along with Desantis's history of removing elected officials who have conflicting political stances sends a pretty chilling message. Wake-up dude, have you been smoking the Hoolie dust? So you’re accusing DeSantis of winning his last election by something like 19 percentage points by rigging the whole system in his favor? And that he will use whatever nefarious means necessary to maintain that power? Is that what you’re saying?
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Mar 15, 2023 14:18:00 GMT -5
Did any of what you said, actually pertain to democracy dying in Florida? Do people of Florida, have the ability to vote DeSantis out of office in the same manner that he was voted in? Can you just ever make a point without beating to death your passive aggressive line of questioning. You’re truly not quick enough for what you think are “gotcha questions “ Asking if people in Florida still have the ability to vote DeSantis out of office is not a “gotcha question”. Hope that helps. 🙄
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Post by moody on Mar 15, 2023 14:18:31 GMT -5
Let’s not forget Desantis’ highly publicized political stunt of arresting several people for illegally voting after they were told they could vote. Did those “several people” turn the tide in DeSantis’ favor? Is that why he won his last election? The intent of my post wasn’t to chase you down you silly assed rabbit holes. It’s that everyone understands your questions are just silly assed rabbit holes.
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Post by moody on Mar 15, 2023 14:19:49 GMT -5
uh, yea. Guys like this have shown a propensity to go great lengths to retain power outside the democratic process. This along with Desantis's history of removing elected officials who have conflicting political stances sends a pretty chilling message. Wake-up dude, have you been smoking the Hoolie dust? So you’re accusing DeSantis of winning his last election by something like 19 percentage points by rigging the whole system in his favor? And that he will use whatever nefarious means necessary to maintain that power? Is that what you’re saying? And this is your problem. It was a general statement about the current GOP. Move on.
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