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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 4, 2023 13:19:19 GMT -5
DeSantis inauguration speech
Eloquent, powerful, and it’s easy to see why he’s so incredibly popular.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jan 4, 2023 13:25:03 GMT -5
Holy's shining star in a world of GOP hurt. lmao
GOP has gotten so bad gotta start looking for a shiny new object to latch onto.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 4, 2023 13:35:55 GMT -5
DeSantis inauguration speech Eloquent, powerful, and it’s easy to see why he’s so incredibly popular. LOL
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jan 4, 2023 13:45:01 GMT -5
I read it, and saw a bit of it. He sullenly droned on about "wokeness" blah blah blah, "law and order" blah blah...a lot of broad platitudes and attacks, not a single policy proposal. This stuff might play among his constituents in Florida, but he's going to have to up his game if he wants to go national.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 4, 2023 14:10:04 GMT -5
I read it, and saw a bit of it. He sullenly droned on about "wokeness" blah blah blah, "law and order" blah blah...a lot of broad platitudes and attacks, not a single policy proposal. This stuff might play among his constituents in Florida, but he's going to have to up his game if he wants to go national. DeSantis plays very well to a very large % of the Republicans. This is very reminiscent to me of Reagan in the 70's and early 80's. This is nothing like Trump. He is the only Republican I can see as being a force on the political stage nationally.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jan 4, 2023 14:11:06 GMT -5
I read it, and saw a bit of it. He sullenly droned on about "wokeness" blah blah blah, "law and order" blah blah...a lot of broad platitudes and attacks, not a single policy proposal. This stuff might play among his constituents in Florida, but he's going to have to up his game if he wants to go national. DeSantis plays very well to a very large % of the Republicans. This is very reminiscent to me of Reagan in the 70's and early 80's. This is nothing like Trump. He is the only Republican I can see as being a force on the political stage nationally. Reagan at least had charisma. DeSantis is closer to Scott Walker.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 4, 2023 14:20:12 GMT -5
DeSantis plays very well to a very large % of the Republicans. This is very reminiscent to me of Reagan in the 70's and early 80's. This is nothing like Trump. He is the only Republican I can see as being a force on the political stage nationally. Reagan at least had charisma. DeSantis is closer to Scott Walker. Reagan was finger nails on a chalk board to most Democrats and some portions of the Republican party. I don't see DeSantis anything like a Scott Walker - I see him as a very savvy politician that can speak directly and eloquently to the issues that most Republicans care about. He can be confrontational and no compromise w/o being mentally off the rails and making everything about himself (Trump).
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 4, 2023 14:28:31 GMT -5
Reagan at least had charisma. DeSantis is closer to Scott Walker. Reagan was finger nails on a chalk board to most Democrats and some portions of the Republican party. I don't see DeSantis anything like a Scott Walker - I see him as a very savvy politician that can speak directly and eloquently to the issues that most Republicans care about. He can be confrontational and no compromise w/o being mentally off the rails and making everything about himself (Trump). His only issues are CULTURE WARS, culture wars, culture wars, and culture wars. "Woke" this, trans that, "I'll save you from the horror of watching a drag show" the other. Unfortunately, you may be correct that he is speaking directly to the issues that most Republicans care about, but that doesn't reflect well on "most Republicans".
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jan 4, 2023 14:42:10 GMT -5
Reagan at least had charisma. DeSantis is closer to Scott Walker. Reagan was finger nails on a chalk board to most Democrats and some portions of the Republican party. I don't see DeSantis anything like a Scott Walker - I see him as a very savvy politician that can speak directly and eloquently to the issues that most Republicans care about. He can be confrontational and no compromise w/o being mentally off the rails and making everything about himself (Trump). DeSantis comes off as equal parts sullen and arrogant. He's quite poor as a debater, and would struggle in that format both in the primary and general, FWIW. But he certainly isn't stupid, and knows how to play to the base. However, as a Presidential contender, he needs much more than the base, and can he sell his brand in PA, AZ, WI? While he's likely somewhat more palatable to moderates than Trump (a low bar, admittedly), I don't think he has the "it factor." We'll see, I suppose.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 4, 2023 14:52:38 GMT -5
Reagan was finger nails on a chalk board to most Democrats and some portions of the Republican party. I don't see DeSantis anything like a Scott Walker - I see him as a very savvy politician that can speak directly and eloquently to the issues that most Republicans care about. He can be confrontational and no compromise w/o being mentally off the rails and making everything about himself (Trump). His only issues are CULTURE WARS, culture wars, culture wars, and culture wars. "Woke" this, trans that, "I'll save you from the horror of watching a drag show" the other. Unfortunately, you may be correct that he is speaking directly to the issues that most Republicans care about, but that doesn't reflect well on "most Republicans". I would say that the way he handled Covid (and being right) is his #1 positive issue to most Republicans and what launched him. And yes - Woke is also a huge issue. These two issues tie into Public education and the major appeal that came from Glenn Youngkin's win in Virginia that was very successful in a Purple to Blueish state. And what DeSantis did in Florida (not previously considered a deep red state).
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 4, 2023 14:59:10 GMT -5
Reagan was finger nails on a chalk board to most Democrats and some portions of the Republican party. I don't see DeSantis anything like a Scott Walker - I see him as a very savvy politician that can speak directly and eloquently to the issues that most Republicans care about. He can be confrontational and no compromise w/o being mentally off the rails and making everything about himself (Trump). DeSantis comes off as equal parts sullen and arrogant. He's quite poor as a debater, and would struggle in that format both in the primary and general, FWIW. But he certainly isn't stupid, and knows how to play to the base. However, as a Presidential contender, he needs much more than the base, and can he sell his brand in PA, AZ, WI? While he's likely somewhat more palatable to moderates than Trump (a low bar, admittedly), I don't think he has the "it factor." We'll see, I suppose. To moderate and establishment conservatives - he is wildly more palatable than Trump (admittedly a low bar). He is at the right time. Large favorable among Republicans with very low negatives - and more importantly, he is well liked among all segments of the party (the only person that can do this). The ideal candidate to follow Trump (well-liked by MAGA folks).
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 4, 2023 14:59:57 GMT -5
His only issues are CULTURE WARS, culture wars, culture wars, and culture wars. "Woke" this, trans that, "I'll save you from the horror of watching a drag show" the other. Unfortunately, you may be correct that he is speaking directly to the issues that most Republicans care about, but that doesn't reflect well on "most Republicans". I would say that the way he handled Covid (and being right) is his #1 positive issue to most Republicans and what launched him. And yes - Woke is also a huge issue. These two issues tie into Public education and the major appeal that came from Glenn Youngkin's win in Virginia that was very successful in a Purple to Blueish state. And what DeSantis did in Florida (not previously considered a deep red state). The response to COVID is 100% part of the culture wars. And no, his response to it was not "right". Florida was #13 in terms of COVID deaths per capita (and almost all of those higher on the list were other "red" states -- Arizona, Mississippi, Oklahoma, West Virginia, Alabama, Arkansas, New Mexico, Tennessee, Michigan, New Jersey, Kentucky, Louisiana, Florida. Almost all of them in the "old South", almost all of the deep "red" states, almost all of them that did their utmost to reject the recommendations from the CDC. Like you.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jan 4, 2023 15:08:27 GMT -5
I would say that the way he handled Covid (and being right) is his #1 positive issue to most Republicans and what launched him. And yes - Woke is also a huge issue. These two issues tie into Public education and the major appeal that came from Glenn Youngkin's win in Virginia that was very successful in a Purple to Blueish state. And what DeSantis did in Florida (not previously considered a deep red state). The response to COVID is 100% part of the culture wars. And no, his response to it was not "right". Florida was #13 in terms of COVID deaths per capita (and almost all of those higher on the list were other "red" states -- Arizona, Mississippi, Oklahoma, West Virginia, Alabama, Arkansas, New Mexico, Tennessee, Michigan, New Jersey, Kentucky, Louisiana, Florida. Almost all of them in the "old South", almost all of the deep "red" states, almost all of them that did their utmost to reject the recommendations from the CDC. Like you. It's hard to pin down accurate Covid stats in Florida since DeSantis started manipulating and/or quashing data from the Florida Department of Health two years ago, but even so, it's still apparent that Florida did not do Covid "right" comparatively speaking.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jan 4, 2023 15:09:48 GMT -5
Just think, if DeSantis becomes president in 2024 he will become the first president to implement gerrymandering on a national scale. He will promise new houses and high paying jobs to all Democrats from Wisconsin, Arizona, Georgia and Pennsylvania and then fly them to Martha's Vineyard, therefor assuring that Republicans win all future elections.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jan 4, 2023 15:17:41 GMT -5
DeSantis comes off as equal parts sullen and arrogant. He's quite poor as a debater, and would struggle in that format both in the primary and general, FWIW. But he certainly isn't stupid, and knows how to play to the base. However, as a Presidential contender, he needs much more than the base, and can he sell his brand in PA, AZ, WI? While he's likely somewhat more palatable to moderates than Trump (a low bar, admittedly), I don't think he has the "it factor." We'll see, I suppose. To moderate and establishment conservatives - he is wildly more palatable than Trump (admittedly a low bar). He is at the right time. Large favorable among Republicans with very low negatives - and more importantly, he is well liked among all segments of the party (the only person that can do this). The ideal candidate to follow Trump (well-liked by MAGA folks). I wouldn't disagree with any of that. Not to mention the other names floating around - Pence, Youngkin, Pompeo, Haley etal - aren't very exciting, to say the least. But my point is DeSantis still needs more than those groups to win a general, and in order to do that he has to move beyond his go-to's of wokeness/CRT/drag queens/book-banning. That stuff played very poorly in the midterms.
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