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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jan 5, 2023 10:09:12 GMT -5
There you go making up a false narrative again. FYI, Florida's NAEP average math scores shot down 5 points after 2019, nothing to brag about. Many states with stricter covid policies such as Hawaii, Illinois, Washington, Michigan and California did as well if not better. So your statement is spurious at best. And Florida was in the top 15 in covid mortality rate per capita. You has been drinking the kool-aid again. If your position is that education is best when done remotely - then I can see where you find what Florida did to be against better education. That's a pretty simplistic view of education, but hey, whatever gets a politician elected.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 5, 2023 10:34:56 GMT -5
Trump is messy wherever he goes. You have a really hard time accepting that, and have gone to amazing extremes to rationalize his failures (and your love for him.) Your coping mechanism is to accuse everyone of the exact things that Trump was responsible for. It’s both fascinating and tragic. You got conned, and you’ve completely lost your way. What will be interesting is how 'the left' treats someone like DeSantis (frankly any Republican). My suspicion is that he will be hated as equally as Trump. Policy wise - there may not be a difference. But there really is a difference in many of the self-inflicted wounds from Trump. Things such as election denying, coziness to white supremist and antisemites, and many other social norms in human decency. I also don't think Trump was hated by the left once he walked down the aisle. He quickly became a media superstar, and the Democratic party mostly enjoyed the havoc he was creating within the Republican party during the 2016 primary. It was only after he won his primary and particularly once he won the Presidency that he became truly hated. Agree with most of this but, Trump would not have been elected without some very controversial opinions on immigration, the border wall, etc. So by the time he walked down that escalator, the media and the Democrats had their knives out. So yes, he was hated right out of the chute
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 5, 2023 10:47:04 GMT -5
What will be interesting is how 'the left' treats someone like DeSantis (frankly any Republican). My suspicion is that he will be hated as equally as Trump. Policy wise - there may not be a difference. But there really is a difference in many of the self-inflicted wounds from Trump. Things such as election denying, coziness to white supremist and antisemites, and many other social norms in human decency. I also don't think Trump was hated by the left once he walked down the aisle. He quickly became a media superstar, and the Democratic party mostly enjoyed the havoc he was creating within the Republican party during the 2016 primary. It was only after he won his primary and particularly once he won the Presidency that he became truly hated. Agree with most of this but, Trump would not have been elected without some very controversial opinions on immigration, the border wall, etc. So by the time he walked down that escalator, the media and the Democrats had their knives out. So yes, he was hated right out of the chute I think Trump was mostly viewed as a joke at the time he announced (remember Obama's swipe at he Correspondent's dinner). The walk down the escalator and the racist immigrant rant in his announcement speech helped to solidify this view, but most people at that time, Republican and Democrat, didn't think he would or could win.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jan 5, 2023 10:57:38 GMT -5
What will be interesting is how 'the left' treats someone like DeSantis (frankly any Republican). My suspicion is that he will be hated as equally as Trump. Policy wise - there may not be a difference. But there really is a difference in many of the self-inflicted wounds from Trump. Things such as election denying, coziness to white supremist and antisemites, and many other social norms in human decency. I also don't think Trump was hated by the left once he walked down the aisle. He quickly became a media superstar, and the Democratic party mostly enjoyed the havoc he was creating within the Republican party during the 2016 primary. It was only after he won his primary and particularly once he won the Presidency that he became truly hated. Agree with most of this but, Trump would not have been elected without some very controversial opinions on immigration, the border wall, etc. So by the time he walked down that escalator, the media and the Democrats had their knives out. So yes, he was hated right out of the chute huh? Let me count the ways of why I would never have voted for Trump pre-2016. He was a bully with sociolpathic tendencies from the get go. "Finally, by 1959, Donald's misbehavior—fighting, bullying, arguing with teachers—had gone too far," "Penchant for "name-calling and teasing kids too young to fight back" that helped land him at the New York Military Academy" Corporate welfare magnate extraordinaire. "PolitiFact uncovered two more bankruptcies filed after 1992, totaling six." Well documented business corruption and failures (to name a few out of several). "On August 24, 2013, the State of New York filed a $40 million civil suit against Trump University alleging illegal business practices and false claims made by the company." "The high debt forced Trump to default on his loans, and ownership of the company was turned over to creditors. The Trump Shuttle ceased to exist in 1992 when it was merged into a new corporation, Shuttle Inc." One of the dumbest TV shows to ever air. If one didn't see the stupidity of electing him president then you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 5, 2023 11:34:38 GMT -5
Agree with most of this but, Trump would not have been elected without some very controversial opinions on immigration, the border wall, etc. So by the time he walked down that escalator, the media and the Democrats had their knives out. So yes, he was hated right out of the chute huh? Let me count the ways of why I would never have voted for Trump pre-2016. He was a bully with sociolpathic tendencies from the get go. "Finally, by 1959, Donald's misbehavior—fighting, bullying, arguing with teachers—had gone too far," "Penchant for "name-calling and teasing kids too young to fight back" that helped land him at the New York Military Academy" Corporate welfare magnate extraordinaire. "PolitiFact uncovered two more bankruptcies filed after 1992, totaling six." Well documented business corruption and failures (to name a few out of several). "On August 24, 2013, the State of New York filed a $40 million civil suit against Trump University alleging illegal business practices and false claims made by the company." "The high debt forced Trump to default on his loans, and ownership of the company was turned over to creditors. The Trump Shuttle ceased to exist in 1992 when it was merged into a new corporation, Shuttle Inc." One of the dumbest TV shows to ever air. If one didn't see the stupidity of electing him president then you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Yes? And? So you and I agree on the context and when it happened, we just don’t agree on the opinion.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 5, 2023 11:37:10 GMT -5
Agree with most of this but, Trump would not have been elected without some very controversial opinions on immigration, the border wall, etc. So by the time he walked down that escalator, the media and the Democrats had their knives out. So yes, he was hated right out of the chute I think Trump was mostly viewed as a joke at the time he announced (remember Obama's swipe at he Correspondent's dinner). The walk down the escalator and the racist immigrant rant in his announcement speech helped to solidify this view, but most people at that time, Republican and Democrat, didn't think he would or could win. he was viewed as a joke by you and elitist @$$%*!*s snobs and journalist who are 99% Democrat and don’t even pretend not to be anymore. To the rest of his voters, they liked what they saw or else he wouldn’t have been elected. In other words your arrogance in pomposity at the time cost you guys the election.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 5, 2023 11:43:38 GMT -5
I think Trump was mostly viewed as a joke at the time he announced (remember Obama's swipe at he Correspondent's dinner). The walk down the escalator and the racist immigrant rant in his announcement speech helped to solidify this view, but most people at that time, Republican and Democrat, didn't think he would or could win. he was viewed as a joke by you and elitist @$$%*!*s snobs and journalist who are 99% Democrat and don’t even pretend not to be anymore. To the rest of his voters, they liked what they saw or else he wouldn’t have been elected. In other words your arrogance in pomposity at the time cost you guys the election. Trump is still a joke. His administration was a disaster, with or without the hate, and post-administration has been an even bigger disaster. Your and his delusional arrogance and pomposity cost him a 2nd term, and any chance of continued relevance.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 5, 2023 12:02:31 GMT -5
he was viewed as a joke by you and elitist @$$%*!*s snobs and journalist who are 99% Democrat and don’t even pretend not to be anymore. To the rest of his voters, they liked what they saw or else he wouldn’t have been elected. In other words your arrogance in pomposity at the time cost you guys the election. Trump is still a joke. His administration was a disaster, with or without the hate, and post-administration has been an even bigger disaster. Your and his delusional arrogance and pomposity cost him a 2nd term, and any chance of continued relevance. wasn’t that the plan? Is that exactly what you all planned? The next thing will be focusing on Ron DeSantis and using every nasty mean dirty trick in the book to ruin him also. You guys are just scumbag people without any decency or character.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jan 5, 2023 12:14:09 GMT -5
huh? Let me count the ways of why I would never have voted for Trump pre-2016. He was a bully with sociolpathic tendencies from the get go. "Finally, by 1959, Donald's misbehavior—fighting, bullying, arguing with teachers—had gone too far," "Penchant for "name-calling and teasing kids too young to fight back" that helped land him at the New York Military Academy" Corporate welfare magnate extraordinaire. "PolitiFact uncovered two more bankruptcies filed after 1992, totaling six." Well documented business corruption and failures (to name a few out of several). "On August 24, 2013, the State of New York filed a $40 million civil suit against Trump University alleging illegal business practices and false claims made by the company." "The high debt forced Trump to default on his loans, and ownership of the company was turned over to creditors. The Trump Shuttle ceased to exist in 1992 when it was merged into a new corporation, Shuttle Inc." One of the dumbest TV shows to ever air. If one didn't see the stupidity of electing him president then you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Yes? And? So you and I agree on the context and when it happened, we just don’t agree on the opinion. Well of course not, and thank geezus for that, because the day I'm in the same universe as you is the day I remove my space mask.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 5, 2023 12:32:16 GMT -5
What will be interesting is how 'the left' treats someone like DeSantis (frankly any Republican). My suspicion is that he will be hated as equally as Trump. Policy wise - there may not be a difference. But there really is a difference in many of the self-inflicted wounds from Trump. Things such as election denying, coziness to white supremist and antisemites, and many other social norms in human decency. I also don't think Trump was hated by the left once he walked down the aisle. He quickly became a media superstar, and the Democratic party mostly enjoyed the havoc he was creating within the Republican party during the 2016 primary. It was only after he won his primary and particularly once he won the Presidency that he became truly hated. And you think the right somehow treats the Democrats fair? Be serious. I like busy unfair you mean to use facts against them. The test is if they are viewed as an existential threat to Democracy or the Constitution.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 5, 2023 12:34:02 GMT -5
Trump is still a joke. His administration was a disaster, with or without the hate, and post-administration has been an even bigger disaster. Your and his delusional arrogance and pomposity cost him a 2nd term, and any chance of continued relevance. wasn’t that the plan? Is that exactly what you all planned? The next thing will be focusing on Ron DeSantis and using every nasty mean dirty trick in the book to ruin him also. You guys are just scumbag people without any decency or character. We'll let Trump take care of DeSantis during the primary. It doesn't matter whether Trump is a serious contender or not, he'll be a Never-DeSantis and destroy DeSantis.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 5, 2023 12:55:52 GMT -5
wasn’t that the plan? Is that exactly what you all planned? The next thing will be focusing on Ron DeSantis and using every nasty mean dirty trick in the book to ruin him also. You guys are just scumbag people without any decency or character. We'll let Trump take care of DeSantis during the primary. It doesn't matter whether Trump is a serious contender or not, he'll be a Never-DeSantis and destroy DeSantis. If you can get a diehard Trump supporter like me to vote for DeSantis over Trump then you’re wrong. I want someone electable.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 5, 2023 12:56:57 GMT -5
Yes? And? So you and I agree on the context and when it happened, we just don’t agree on the opinion. Well of course not, and thank geezus for that, because the day I'm in the same universe as you is the day I remove my space mask. Ditto, I didn’t say you had an ounce of common sense.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 5, 2023 13:05:12 GMT -5
We'll let Trump take care of DeSantis during the primary. It doesn't matter whether Trump is a serious contender or not, he'll be a Never-DeSantis and destroy DeSantis. If you can get a diehard Trump supporter like me to vote for DeSantis over Trump then you’re wrong. I want someone electable. That won't stop Trump from being Trump.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 5, 2023 13:25:46 GMT -5
If you can get a diehard Trump supporter like me to vote for DeSantis over Trump then you’re wrong. I want someone electable. That won't stop Trump from being Trump. What does that have to do with anything? Your argument was that Donald Trump would destroy DeSantis in a head-to-head vote. I don’t think that will happen.
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