bluepenquin
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 4, 2023 18:10:20 GMT -5
The Covid opinion on DeSantis is one I share, but the comment was in terms of a Republican and what a Republican is interested in, not necessarily the nation at large. And given his success in Florida election - It would appear that his popularity went past just Republicans. Florida is always interesting politically. My hometown is definitely a red area in the state - and there were many people on the DeSantis/Trump combined ticket train flying 2024 flags. But, there's been some beef - and it's fun to see whether they are sticking with Trump or DeSantis. That will be the question of the day for sure. There are many that are going to die on the Trump hill.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 4, 2023 18:13:19 GMT -5
While Ron has apparently captured the imagination of rural Nebraskans and Kansans (on this forum, at any rate), I still maintain he has to bring more to the table to broaden his appeal on a national scale. To win nationally in the general - for sure. To win the Republican primary, not so much. And keep in mind that the two you speak of have wildly different opinions of Trump - yet have similar opinions of DeSantis. Small sample size, but that should tell you something about what is going on within the Republican party.
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 4, 2023 19:12:12 GMT -5
DeSantis inauguration speech Eloquent, powerful, and it’s easy to see why he’s so incredibly popular. What's the matter? Why no mention of Trump? I thought he was your hero?
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 4, 2023 19:32:49 GMT -5
DeSantis inauguration speech Eloquent, powerful, and it’s easy to see why he’s so incredibly popular. What's the matter? Why no mention of Trump? I thought he was your hero? I am practical and I don't believe he can get elected for a second time.
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 4, 2023 19:40:32 GMT -5
What's the matter? Why no mention of Trump? I thought he was your hero? I am practical and I don't believe he can get elected for a second time. Oh really? And why is that?
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 4, 2023 19:41:41 GMT -5
Florida is always interesting politically. My hometown is definitely a red area in the state - and there were many people on the DeSantis/Trump combined ticket train flying 2024 flags. But, there's been some beef - and it's fun to see whether they are sticking with Trump or DeSantis. That will be the question of the day for sure. There are many that are going to die on the Trump hill. Trump has certainly dug some of his own holes but you also know that with Democrats, anyone of substance becomes a nasty target for social media, the press, and the press. They will try to do the same with DeSantis and you know that. You also are aware of that much of the attacks on Trump were unfounded and manufactured so? Surely you can understand some of his reactions to these attacks. Its called being fair.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 4, 2023 19:44:24 GMT -5
I am practical and I don't believe he can get elected for a second time. Oh really? And why is that? read my post to Blue. You have maligned him so much at this point he is unelectable. Its it fair to him. Nope but wasn't that the goal on your part.
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Post by ironhammer on Jan 4, 2023 19:47:07 GMT -5
Oh really? And why is that? read my post to Blue. You have maligned him so much at this point he is unelectable. Its it fair to him. Nope but wasn't that the goal on your part. I didn't know I had such influence over the American electorate. They simply saw what kind of person Trump was. What he did and didn't do when a real national crisis hit (the Covid pandemic), how he encouraged the Jan 6th insurrectionists, how he denied the legitimate elction result, etc. Well...they came to a conclusion he just isn't capable of governing.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 5, 2023 7:46:06 GMT -5
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 5, 2023 7:53:57 GMT -5
read my post to Blue. You have maligned him so much at this point he is unelectable. Its it fair to him. Nope but wasn't that the goal on your part. I didn't know I had such influence over the American electorate. They simply saw what kind of person Trump was. What he did and didn't do when a real national crisis hit (the Covid pandemic), how he encouraged the Jan 6th insurrectionists, how he denied the legitimate elction result, etc. Well...they came to a conclusion he just isn't capable of governing. You guys hated him when he came down the escalator. Remember? Liberals made fun of his hair, called him fat, orange man, insulted his wife, and his children. People began destroying his associates, maligning his businesses, and this was before day one. You were like rabid mouth foaming insane crazy dogs with a disease. In the end he proved to be pretty much right about Covid. The hysteria and the shut downs did nothing to help curb the disease, China is finding that out in spades. His instincts were absolutely right. Of course as usual your party and the media wore hand-in-hand like a bunch of sorry ass sorority sisters at a liquor party, doing their best to destroy his presidency. Your cheaters, common con artist. And last but not least, you people of bitched and whined about January 6 like small children and a cart in a grocery store. He said one thing that made your case null and void and that was “peacefully protest”. In other words you have no case. That’s something you can never change but the truth is just so difficult for you isn’t it?
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 5, 2023 8:56:10 GMT -5
There you go making up a false narrative again. FYI, Florida's NAEP average math scores shot down 5 points after 2019, nothing to brag about. Many states with stricter covid policies such as Hawaii, Illinois, Washington, Michigan and California did as well if not better. So your statement is spurious at best. And Florida was in the top 15 in covid mortality rate per capita. You has been drinking the kool-aid again. If your position is that education is best when done remotely - then I can see where you find what Florida did to be against better education. If your contention is that education is done best when students, teachers, and their family members are dying in a pandemic, then I can see where you find that what Florida did to be in the interests of better education.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 5, 2023 9:21:37 GMT -5
I didn't know I had such influence over the American electorate. They simply saw what kind of person Trump was. What he did and didn't do when a real national crisis hit (the Covid pandemic), how he encouraged the Jan 6th insurrectionists, how he denied the legitimate elction result, etc. Well...they came to a conclusion he just isn't capable of governing. You guys hated him when he came down the escalator. Remember? Liberals made fun of his hair, called him fat, orange man, insulted his wife, and his children. People began destroying his associates, maligning his businesses, and this was before day one. You were like rabid mouth foaming insane crazy dogs with a disease. In the end he proved to be pretty much right about Covid. The hysteria and the shut downs did nothing to help curb the disease, China is finding that out in spades. His instincts were absolutely right. Of course as usual your party and the media wore hand-in-hand like a bunch of sorry ass sorority sisters at a liquor party, doing their best to destroy his presidency. Your cheaters, common con artist. And last but not least, you people of bitched and whined about January 6 like small children and a cart in a grocery store. He said one thing that made your case null and void and that was “peacefully protest”. In other words you have no case. That’s something you can never change but the truth is just so difficult for you isn’t it? Trump is messy wherever he goes. You have a really hard time accepting that, and have gone to amazing extremes to rationalize his failures (and your love for him.) Your coping mechanism is to accuse everyone of the exact things that Trump was responsible for. It’s both fascinating and tragic. You got conned, and you’ve completely lost your way.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 5, 2023 10:03:10 GMT -5
You guys hated him when he came down the escalator. Remember? Liberals made fun of his hair, called him fat, orange man, insulted his wife, and his children. People began destroying his associates, maligning his businesses, and this was before day one. You were like rabid mouth foaming insane crazy dogs with a disease. In the end he proved to be pretty much right about Covid. The hysteria and the shut downs did nothing to help curb the disease, China is finding that out in spades. His instincts were absolutely right. Of course as usual your party and the media wore hand-in-hand like a bunch of sorry ass sorority sisters at a liquor party, doing their best to destroy his presidency. Your cheaters, common con artist. And last but not least, you people of bitched and whined about January 6 like small children and a cart in a grocery store. He said one thing that made your case null and void and that was “peacefully protest”. In other words you have no case. That’s something you can never change but the truth is just so difficult for you isn’t it? Trump is messy wherever he goes. You have a really hard time accepting that, and have gone to amazing extremes to rationalize his failures (and your love for him.) Your coping mechanism is to accuse everyone of the exact things that Trump was responsible for. It’s both fascinating and tragic. You got conned, and you’ve completely lost your way. What will be interesting is how 'the left' treats someone like DeSantis (frankly any Republican). My suspicion is that he will be hated as equally as Trump. Policy wise - there may not be a difference. But there really is a difference in many of the self-inflicted wounds from Trump. Things such as election denying, coziness to white supremist and antisemites, and many other social norms in human decency. I also don't think Trump was hated by the left once he walked down the aisle. He quickly became a media superstar, and the Democratic party mostly enjoyed the havoc he was creating within the Republican party during the 2016 primary. It was only after he won his primary and particularly once he won the Presidency that he became truly hated.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 5, 2023 10:06:14 GMT -5
If your position is that education is best when done remotely - then I can see where you find what Florida did to be against better education. If your contention is that education is done best when students, teachers, and their family members are dying in a pandemic, then I can see where you find that what Florida did to be in the interests of better education. This is a fair point - for which we do not agree. However, I do not think that education is improved by shutting down in person school and doing it remotely. Your position that it was the best choice among bad alternatives is a fair argument, but that isn't the implication from the OP here.
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Post by moody on Jan 5, 2023 10:08:33 GMT -5
Trump is messy wherever he goes. You have a really hard time accepting that, and have gone to amazing extremes to rationalize his failures (and your love for him.) Your coping mechanism is to accuse everyone of the exact things that Trump was responsible for. It’s both fascinating and tragic. You got conned, and you’ve completely lost your way. What will be interesting is how 'the left' treats someone like DeSantis (frankly any Republican). My suspicion is that he will be hated as equally as Trump. Policy wise - there may not be a difference. But there really is a difference in many of the self-inflicted wounds from Trump. Things such as election denying, coziness to white supremist and antisemites, and many other social norms in human decency. I also don't think Trump was hated by the left once he walked down the aisle. He quickly became a media superstar, and the Democratic party mostly enjoyed the havoc he was creating within the Republican party during the 2016 primary. It was only after he won his primary and particularly once he won the Presidency that he became truly hated. And you think the right somehow treats the Democrats fair? Be serious. I like busy unfair you mean to use facts against them.
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