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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 4, 2023 15:51:01 GMT -5
I would say that the way he handled Covid (and being right) is his #1 positive issue to most Republicans and what launched him. And yes - Woke is also a huge issue. These two issues tie into Public education and the major appeal that came from Glenn Youngkin's win in Virginia that was very successful in a Purple to Blueish state. And what DeSantis did in Florida (not previously considered a deep red state). The response to COVID is 100% part of the culture wars. And no, his response to it was not "right". Florida was #13 in terms of COVID deaths per capita (and almost all of those higher on the list were other "red" states -- Arizona, Mississippi, Oklahoma, West Virginia, Alabama, Arkansas, New Mexico, Tennessee, Michigan, New Jersey, Kentucky, Louisiana, Florida. Almost all of them in the "old South", almost all of the deep "red" states, almost all of them that did their utmost to reject the recommendations from the CDC. Like you. The Covid opinion on DeSantis is one I share, but the comment was in terms of a Republican and what a Republican is interested in, not necessarily the nation at large. And given his success in Florida election - It would appear that his popularity went past just Republicans.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 4, 2023 15:52:49 GMT -5
I read it, and saw a bit of it. He sullenly droned on about "wokeness" blah blah blah, "law and order" blah blah...a lot of broad platitudes and attacks, not a single policy proposal. This stuff might play among his constituents in Florida, but he's going to have to up his game if he wants to go national. DeSantis plays very well to a very large % of the Republicans. This is very reminiscent to me of Reagan in the 70's and early 80's. This is nothing like Trump. He is the only Republican I can see as being a force on the political stage nationally. Yes, and he is a future superstar, let’s hope he gets that Republican nomination
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 4, 2023 15:56:02 GMT -5
To moderate and establishment conservatives - he is wildly more palatable than Trump (admittedly a low bar). He is at the right time. Large favorable among Republicans with very low negatives - and more importantly, he is well liked among all segments of the party (the only person that can do this). The ideal candidate to follow Trump (well-liked by MAGA folks). I wouldn't disagree with any of that. Not to mention the other names floating around - Pence, Youngkin, Pompeo, Haley etal - aren't very exciting, to say the least. But my point is DeSantis still needs more than those groups to win a general, and in order to do that he has to move beyond his go-to's of wokeness/CRT/drag queens/book-banning. That stuff played very poorly in the midterms. You are wrong about that and I am taking bets.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 4, 2023 16:00:00 GMT -5
The response to COVID is 100% part of the culture wars. And no, his response to it was not "right". Florida was #13 in terms of COVID deaths per capita (and almost all of those higher on the list were other "red" states -- Arizona, Mississippi, Oklahoma, West Virginia, Alabama, Arkansas, New Mexico, Tennessee, Michigan, New Jersey, Kentucky, Louisiana, Florida. Almost all of them in the "old South", almost all of the deep "red" states, almost all of them that did their utmost to reject the recommendations from the CDC. Like you. It's hard to pin down accurate Covid stats in Florida since DeSantis started manipulating and/or quashing data from the Florida Department of Health two years ago, but even so, it's still apparent that Florida did not do Covid "right" comparatively speaking. I mean - he didn't destroy a generation by prolonged shutdown of schools. He didn't close down the state - and allowed people to mostly live their lives. He didn't try and impose anti-freedom vaccination laws, he quickly mitigated much of the threat to nursing homes while other state Governors thru CDC recommendations made them death camps. He followed the science instead of ceding public policy to unelected officials, thus opening himself up to great political risk (ie - what a leader is supposed to do). But the left wanted to politize Covid and this will probably doom us to the same failures next time.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 4, 2023 16:01:27 GMT -5
It's hard to pin down accurate Covid stats in Florida since DeSantis started manipulating and/or quashing data from the Florida Department of Health two years ago, but even so, it's still apparent that Florida did not do Covid "right" comparatively speaking. I mean - he didn't destroy a generation by prolonged shutdown of schools. He didn't close down the state - and allowed people to mostly live their lives. He didn't try and impose anti-freedom vaccination laws, he quickly mitigated much of the threat to nursing homes while other state Governors thru CDC recommendations made them death camps. He followed the science instead of ceding public policy to unelected officials, thus opening himself up to great political risk (ie - what a leader is supposed to do). But the left wanted to politize Covid and this will probably doom us to the same failures next time. THIS!!
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jan 4, 2023 16:14:08 GMT -5
I wouldn't disagree with any of that. Not to mention the other names floating around - Pence, Youngkin, Pompeo, Haley etal - aren't very exciting, to say the least. But my point is DeSantis still needs more than those groups to win a general, and in order to do that he has to move beyond his go-to's of wokeness/CRT/drag queens/book-banning. That stuff played very poorly in the midterms. You are wrong about that and I am taking bets. What part am I wrong about?
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Post by HOLIDAY on Jan 4, 2023 16:16:27 GMT -5
You are wrong about that and I am taking bets. What part am I wrong about? The percentages don’t support your argument. I can’t remember the exact number but I think I’m pretty darn close. 73% of people are extremely tired of woke causes. I think DeSantis can bridge the conservatives with the moderates. I think you’re wrong.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jan 4, 2023 16:18:55 GMT -5
What part am I wrong about? The percentages don’t support your argument. I can’t remember the exact number but I think I’m pretty darn close. 73% of people are extremely tired of woke causes. I think DeSantis can bridge the conservatives with the moderates. I think you’re wrong. How'd the midterms work out for your team? And if you could show me your "percentages," I'd be interested in reading them.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jan 4, 2023 16:36:00 GMT -5
It's hard to pin down accurate Covid stats in Florida since DeSantis started manipulating and/or quashing data from the Florida Department of Health two years ago, but even so, it's still apparent that Florida did not do Covid "right" comparatively speaking. I mean - he didn't destroy a generation by prolonged shutdown of schools. He didn't close down the state - and allowed people to mostly live their lives. He didn't try and impose anti-freedom vaccination laws, he quickly mitigated much of the threat to nursing homes while other state Governors thru CDC recommendations made them death camps. He followed the science instead of ceding public policy to unelected officials, thus opening himself up to great political risk (ie - what a leader is supposed to do). But the left wanted to politize Covid and this will probably doom us to the same failures next time. There you go making up a false narrative again. FYI, Florida's NAEP average math scores shot down 5 points after 2019, nothing to brag about. Many states with stricter covid policies such as Hawaii, Illinois, Washington, Michigan and California did as well if not better. So your statement is spurious at best. And Florida was in the top 15 in covid mortality rate per capita. You has been drinking the kool-aid again.
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Post by trojansc on Jan 4, 2023 16:39:59 GMT -5
The response to COVID is 100% part of the culture wars. And no, his response to it was not "right". Florida was #13 in terms of COVID deaths per capita (and almost all of those higher on the list were other "red" states -- Arizona, Mississippi, Oklahoma, West Virginia, Alabama, Arkansas, New Mexico, Tennessee, Michigan, New Jersey, Kentucky, Louisiana, Florida. Almost all of them in the "old South", almost all of the deep "red" states, almost all of them that did their utmost to reject the recommendations from the CDC. Like you. The Covid opinion on DeSantis is one I share, but the comment was in terms of a Republican and what a Republican is interested in, not necessarily the nation at large. And given his success in Florida election - It would appear that his popularity went past just Republicans. Florida is always interesting politically. My hometown is definitely a red area in the state - and there were many people on the DeSantis/Trump combined ticket train flying 2024 flags. But, there's been some beef - and it's fun to see whether they are sticking with Trump or DeSantis.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jan 4, 2023 16:47:23 GMT -5
It's hard to pin down accurate Covid stats in Florida since DeSantis started manipulating and/or quashing data from the Florida Department of Health two years ago, but even so, it's still apparent that Florida did not do Covid "right" comparatively speaking. I mean - he didn't destroy a generation by prolonged shutdown of schools. He didn't close down the state - and allowed people to mostly live their lives. He didn't try and impose anti-freedom vaccination laws, he quickly mitigated much of the threat to nursing homes while other state Governors thru CDC recommendations made them death camps. He followed the science instead of ceding public policy to unelected officials, thus opening himself up to great political risk (ie - what a leader is supposed to do). But the left wanted to politize Covid and this will probably doom us to the same failures next time. Good Lord, other than the Trump White House, I can't think of anyone who politicized covid more than Ron DeSantis, and he continues to do so with his "investigation" of vaccine manufacturers. He's directly and purposefully appealing to anti-vaxxers. He did not "follow the science," unless one considers Scott Atlas or the quack DeSantis hired as state surgeon general as the cutting edge of medicine. By most metrics, Florida did very little to distinguish itself in respect to Covid. The mortality rates alone should raise many eyebrows - and that's not even taking into account DeSantis putting his thumb on data collection. 2022 national standardized tests for 8th Graders show Florida still behind "lockdown" states like New York and California (I believe FL had a better showing among 4th graders). While Ron has apparently captured the imagination of rural Nebraskans and Kansans (on this forum, at any rate), I still maintain he has to bring more to the table to broaden his appeal on a national scale.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jan 4, 2023 17:00:37 GMT -5
"More than 500 Cuban immigrants have come ashore in the Florida Keys since the weekend, the latest in a large and increasing number who are fleeing the communist island and stretching thin U.S. border agencies both on land and at sea."
I wonder how deep the water is in those parts and what length fence post would have to be in order to stop the onslaught.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 4, 2023 17:14:19 GMT -5
"More than 500 Cuban immigrants have come ashore in the Florida Keys since the weekend, the latest in a large and increasing number who are fleeing the communist island and stretching thin U.S. border agencies both on land and at sea." I wonder how deep the water is in those parts and what length fence post would have to be in order to stop the onslaught. No, Cuban refugees are OK with the GOP. Most of the Cuban-American population tends to vote Republican, and thus the GOP avoids making a big deal about Cuban refugees.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jan 4, 2023 17:19:37 GMT -5
"More than 500 Cuban immigrants have come ashore in the Florida Keys since the weekend, the latest in a large and increasing number who are fleeing the communist island and stretching thin U.S. border agencies both on land and at sea." I wonder how deep the water is in those parts and what length fence post would have to be in order to stop the onslaught. No, Cuban refugees are OK with the GOP. Most of the Cuban-American population tends to vote Republican, and thus the GOP avoids making a big deal about Cuban refugees. Yeah, you're probably right. DeSantis probably trades visas for cigars with them.
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 4, 2023 18:08:54 GMT -5
I mean - he didn't destroy a generation by prolonged shutdown of schools. He didn't close down the state - and allowed people to mostly live their lives. He didn't try and impose anti-freedom vaccination laws, he quickly mitigated much of the threat to nursing homes while other state Governors thru CDC recommendations made them death camps. He followed the science instead of ceding public policy to unelected officials, thus opening himself up to great political risk (ie - what a leader is supposed to do). But the left wanted to politize Covid and this will probably doom us to the same failures next time. There you go making up a false narrative again. FYI, Florida's NAEP average math scores shot down 5 points after 2019, nothing to brag about. Many states with stricter covid policies such as Hawaii, Illinois, Washington, Michigan and California did as well if not better. So your statement is spurious at best. And Florida was in the top 15 in covid mortality rate per capita. You has been drinking the kool-aid again. If your position is that education is best when done remotely - then I can see where you find what Florida did to be against better education.
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