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Post by Wolfgang on Jan 22, 2024 21:31:02 GMT -5
I don't know if any of you have ever seen tumbling tumbleweeds in real life. I have. The first time I saw one was in Nebraska while driving through on I-80. It was spectacular! I have since seen it many times, usually in the plains states of Iowa, Nebraska, Wyoming, etc. I've also been caught in a dust storm in Nevada. Scary stuff. I want to say I've seen tumbling tumbleweeds in Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico but, more than likely, I haven't. I just don't remember. If I did, it was uneventful and from my peripheral vision.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 23, 2024 1:41:08 GMT -5
I don't know if any of you have ever seen tumbling tumbleweeds in real life. I have. Of course. Eastern Washington has them. They get stuck in the fences along the freeway. I don't see them tumble much, because as I said, fences. I have had the wind blow one loose from the fence and across the highway in front of me.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Jan 23, 2024 2:21:29 GMT -5
Russian Thistle, we use to have to burn it all the time. It was a major agricultural pain in the arse.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jan 23, 2024 8:41:38 GMT -5
I don't know if any of you have ever seen tumbling tumbleweeds in real life. I have. The first time I saw one was in Nebraska while driving through on I-80. It was spectacular! I have since seen it many times, usually in the plains states of Iowa, Nebraska, Wyoming, etc. I've also been caught in a dust storm in Nevada. Scary stuff. I want to say I've seen tumbling tumbleweeds in Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico but, more than likely, I haven't. I just don't remember. If I did, it was uneventful and from my peripheral vision.
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Post by vbman100 on Jan 23, 2024 14:05:33 GMT -5
All the comments now on how he was inherently "unlikeable" and "introverted" and "not good at personal interactions". DeSantis isn't a new politician and hes like a 2x Governor of Florida--how do you (especially his donors) just notice this now? It's certainly not just the Republicans on this board who was wrong, it was large swaths of people. People were either being brainwashed before, or we are all being gaslit now. Did you see who won the presidency in 2016? Some same comments from many including Republicans. For that guy, the winner was determined by electoral college, though. Unlike every other election anywhere. If it was a popular vote to elect president, who knows what the Republican Party would look like. It’s funny that some people say “ look at trump, even with all of the indictments, he is neck and neck with Biden.” However, even with all of the indictments, he is still 20-30 points ahead of any Republican candidate. What does that indicate about republicans?
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 24, 2024 12:03:21 GMT -5
What a difference a year makes. Skimming over the comments on the first two pages, well, I hate to say I was right, but…kidding! I totally don’t hate being right! bluepenquin certainly had his finger right on the pulse of the Republican party, didn't he? And as far as I can tell, Ron never did come up with any policy position other than "I'll end woke in America". DeSantis was the only Republican candidate that had any chance of defeating Trump. He was the only candidate that could take away Trump supporters in the party - as Trump probably had control of around 70% of the party. His path was for enough of those Trump supporters to ditch Trump for DeSantis because Trump was too toxic in the general election to win, and DeSantis would give them a better chance. All of this narrow path was undercut by virtually every poll showing that Trump beats Biden and fares as well or better than DeSantis. Antidotally - I have a brother in law in Georgia who is a successful small business owner. He is a HUGE Trump supporter. I was in Georgia in April this year - and I asked him who he would vote for in the Republican primary. He said - I would probably lean towards DeSantis, I want to win in the general. If I could choose who I would rather have as President - it would hands down be Trump. I know for a fact that Trump would be a great President because he has done it. With DeSantis - I could only be ~ 90% sure that he would be good/great. I then was in Georgia again over Thanksgiving - when I talked to him, he was 100% behind Trump and gave no consideration to DeSantis. There was nothing DeSantis could have done to win the nomination. This was Trump's to lose. The multiple indictments were huge in helping Trump - which then led to him doing so well in polls against Biden. That was the election.
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Post by jsquare on Jan 24, 2024 12:05:47 GMT -5
bluepenquin certainly had his finger right on the pulse of the Republican party, didn't he? And as far as I can tell, Ron never did come up with any policy position other than "I'll end woke in America". DeSantis was the only Republican candidate that had any chance of defeating Trump. He was the only candidate that could take away Trump supporters in the party - as Trump probably had control of around 70% of the party. His path was for enough of those Trump supporters to ditch Trump for DeSantis because Trump was too toxic in the general election to win, and DeSantis would give them a better chance. All of this narrow path was undercut by virtually every poll showing that Trump beats Biden and fares as well or better than DeSantis. Antidotally - I have a brother in law in Georgia who is a successful small business owner. He is a HUGE Trump supporter. I was in Georgia in April this year - and I asked him who he would vote for in the Republican primary. He said - I would probably lean towards DeSantis, I want to win in the general. If I could choose who I would rather have as President - it would hands down be Trump. I know for a fact that Trump would be a great President because he has done it. With DeSantis - I could only be ~ 90% sure that he would be good/great. I then was in Georgia again over Thanksgiving - when I talked to him, he was 100% behind Trump and gave no consideration to DeSantis. There was nothing DeSantis could have done to win the nomination. This was Trump's to lose. The multiple indictments were huge in helping Trump - which then led to him doing so well in polls against Biden. That was the election. And those multiple indictments, which will turn to convictions will be huge in helping Biden beat Trump in the fall.
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Post by vbman100 on Jan 24, 2024 12:29:05 GMT -5
bluepenquin certainly had his finger right on the pulse of the Republican party, didn't he? And as far as I can tell, Ron never did come up with any policy position other than "I'll end woke in America". DeSantis was the only Republican candidate that had any chance of defeating Trump. He was the only candidate that could take away Trump supporters in the party - as Trump probably had control of around 70% of the party. His path was for enough of those Trump supporters to ditch Trump for DeSantis because Trump was too toxic in the general election to win, and DeSantis would give them a better chance. All of this narrow path was undercut by virtually every poll showing that Trump beats Biden and fares as well or better than DeSantis. Antidotally - I have a brother in law in Georgia who is a successful small business owner. He is a HUGE Trump supporter. I was in Georgia in April this year - and I asked him who he would vote for in the Republican primary. He said - I would probably lean towards DeSantis, I want to win in the general. If I could choose who I would rather have as President - it would hands down be Trump. I know for a fact that Trump would be a great President because he has done it. With DeSantis - I could only be ~ 90% sure that he would be good/great. I then was in Georgia again over Thanksgiving - when I talked to him, he was 100% behind Trump and gave no consideration to DeSantis. There was nothing DeSantis could have done to win the nomination. This was Trump's to lose. The multiple indictments were huge in helping Trump - which then led to him doing so well in polls against Biden. That was the election. I love antidotal stories. Thank you. It is good that he knows trump would be a great president. Since the economy, unemployment, etc are better with Biden. And we don’t have hundreds of people dying every day from Covid. But yeah, Trump would definitely be great….
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 24, 2024 12:35:24 GMT -5
And those multiple indictments, which will turn to convictions will be huge in helping Biden beat Trump in the fall. We live in an environment where people can't agree on simple, factual truth. People, especially those who live and breathe the right-wing/Evangelical media environment, distrust anything that doesn't come from their favorite voices. Almost everyone who is considering voting for Trump either doesn't believe that Trump committed any crimes or else doesn't care. And any convictions that he might or might not get in a court of law are going to be dismissed as "the deep state is out to get him, because he's the only guy fighting against them". Which is all bullsh*t, of course. There is no sinister "deep state", and Trump has a legal and financial history going back decades showing that he is a grifter and a con artist. But people just don't care. They don't believe it because they have been conditioned to not believe anything. Anybody under 40 or so has been told their ENTIRE LIVES that the "Mainstream Media" is a bunch of lying liberals. Most of them consume only information from FOX, right wing talk radio and blogs, and their pastors -- most of whom are happy to engage in partisan politics. Bottom line is that convictions aren't going to change any minds, or more crucially, votes.
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Post by jsquare on Jan 24, 2024 12:40:33 GMT -5
And those multiple indictments, which will turn to convictions will be huge in helping Biden beat Trump in the fall. We live in an environment where people can't agree on simple, factual truth. People, especially those who live and breathe the right-wing/Evangelical media environment, distrust anything that doesn't come from their favorite voices. Almost everyone who is considering voting for Trump either doesn't believe that Trump committed any crimes or else doesn't care. And any convictions that he might or might not get in a court of law are going to be dismissed as "the deep state is out to get him, because he's the only guy fighting against them". Which is all bullsh*t, of course. There is no sinister "deep state", and Trump has a legal and financial history going back decades showing that he is a grifter and a con artist. But people just don't care. They don't believe it because they have been conditioned to not believe anything. Anybody under 40 or so has been told their ENTIRE LIVES that the "Mainstream Media" is a bunch of lying liberals. Most of them consume only information from FOX, right wing talk radio and blogs, and their pastors -- most of whom are happy to engage in partisan politics. Bottom line is that convictions aren't going to change any minds, or more crucially, votes. I don't disagree with that. I don't believe he has enough support to win in the generals and although his indictments may have helped him solidify the primary they won't help him against Biden.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jan 24, 2024 13:55:51 GMT -5
bluepenquin certainly had his finger right on the pulse of the Republican party, didn't he? And as far as I can tell, Ron never did come up with any policy position other than "I'll end woke in America". DeSantis was the only Republican candidate that had any chance of defeating Trump. He was the only candidate that could take away Trump supporters in the party - as Trump probably had control of around 70% of the party. His path was for enough of those Trump supporters to ditch Trump for DeSantis because Trump was too toxic in the general election to win, and DeSantis would give them a better chance. All of this narrow path was undercut by virtually every poll showing that Trump beats Biden and fares as well or better than DeSantis. Antidotally - I have a brother in law in Georgia who is a successful small business owner. He is a HUGE Trump supporter. I was in Georgia in April this year - and I asked him who he would vote for in the Republican primary. He said - I would probably lean towards DeSantis, I want to win in the general. If I could choose who I would rather have as President - it would hands down be Trump. I know for a fact that Trump would be a great President because he has done it. With DeSantis - I could only be ~ 90% sure that he would be good/great. I then was in Georgia again over Thanksgiving - when I talked to him, he was 100% behind Trump and gave no consideration to DeSantis. There was nothing DeSantis could have done to win the nomination. This was Trump's to lose. The multiple indictments were huge in helping Trump - which then led to him doing so well in polls against Biden. That was the election. The Republican Party is going to have to let the Trump juggernaut run its course until it’s done. It would behoove whoever is next up to bat, after Trump, to look at what elements caused him to be successful and try and synthesize that with an approach that will appeal to moderates/ independents. Until The Party is willing to stop alienating people, they have little chance of success.
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Post by jsquare on Jan 24, 2024 13:57:01 GMT -5
DeSantis was the only Republican candidate that had any chance of defeating Trump. He was the only candidate that could take away Trump supporters in the party - as Trump probably had control of around 70% of the party. His path was for enough of those Trump supporters to ditch Trump for DeSantis because Trump was too toxic in the general election to win, and DeSantis would give them a better chance. All of this narrow path was undercut by virtually every poll showing that Trump beats Biden and fares as well or better than DeSantis. Antidotally - I have a brother in law in Georgia who is a successful small business owner. He is a HUGE Trump supporter. I was in Georgia in April this year - and I asked him who he would vote for in the Republican primary. He said - I would probably lean towards DeSantis, I want to win in the general. If I could choose who I would rather have as President - it would hands down be Trump. I know for a fact that Trump would be a great President because he has done it. With DeSantis - I could only be ~ 90% sure that he would be good/great. I then was in Georgia again over Thanksgiving - when I talked to him, he was 100% behind Trump and gave no consideration to DeSantis. There was nothing DeSantis could have done to win the nomination. This was Trump's to lose. The multiple indictments were huge in helping Trump - which then led to him doing so well in polls against Biden. That was the election. The Republican Party is going to have to let the Trump juggernaut run its course until it’s done. It would behoove whoever is next up to bat, after Trump, to look at what elements caused him to be successful and try and synthesize that with an approach that will appeal to moderates/ independents. Until The Party is willing to stop alienating people, they have little chance of success. How has Trump been successful?
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 24, 2024 14:10:52 GMT -5
bluepenquin certainly had his finger right on the pulse of the Republican party, didn't he? And as far as I can tell, Ron never did come up with any policy position other than "I'll end woke in America". DeSantis was the only Republican candidate that had any chance of defeating Trump. He was the only candidate that could take away Trump supporters in the party - as Trump probably had control of around 70% of the party. His path was for enough of those Trump supporters to ditch Trump for DeSantis because Trump was too toxic in the general election to win, and DeSantis would give them a better chance. All of this narrow path was undercut by virtually every poll showing that Trump beats Biden and fares as well or better than DeSantis. Antidotally - I have a brother in law in Georgia who is a successful small business owner. He is a HUGE Trump supporter. I was in Georgia in April this year - and I asked him who he would vote for in the Republican primary. He said - I would probably lean towards DeSantis, I want to win in the general. If I could choose who I would rather have as President - it would hands down be Trump. I know for a fact that Trump would be a great President because he has done it. With DeSantis - I could only be ~ 90% sure that he would be good/great. I then was in Georgia again over Thanksgiving - when I talked to him, he was 100% behind Trump and gave no consideration to DeSantis. There was nothing DeSantis could have done to win the nomination. This was Trump's to lose. The multiple indictments were huge in helping Trump - which then led to him doing so well in polls against Biden. That was the election. I think what undercut his path is that as soon as a national audience was introduced to him he quickly became the least popular politician in national politics. It's really hard to do that without actually having governed at that level.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jan 24, 2024 14:16:28 GMT -5
The Republican Party is going to have to let the Trump juggernaut run its course until it’s done. It would behoove whoever is next up to bat, after Trump, to look at what elements caused him to be successful and try and synthesize that with an approach that will appeal to moderates/ independents. Until The Party is willing to stop alienating people, they have little chance of success. How has Trump been successful? When I say “successful” I’m referring to him being elected President and then getting more people to vote for him second time around.
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Post by jsquare on Jan 24, 2024 14:32:04 GMT -5
How has Trump been successful? When I say “successful” I’m referring to him being elected President and then getting more people to vote for him second time around. So, losing the popular vote twice, being impeached twice, losing both the popular and the electoral college vote, losing the House, and the Senate, 4 indictments, 91 felony counts. Are you talking that kind of success?
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