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Post by stanfordvb on Jan 30, 2023 22:27:13 GMT -5
get ready for this one y'all. im BEYOND bored but I thought this would be fun to think about.
Imagine every team in the 2022 season lost their 'best' player. Who do you y'all think takes the biggest hit, or the least of a hit. Projected final 4 and natty? if this is not as fun as I think just tell me to go away lmao.
in theory teams would not have :
texas - eggleston
Louisville - chausse
San Diego - blossom
pitt - buzzerio
stanford - kipp
wisco - robinson
nebraska - kubik
oregon - Nuneviller
kentucky - grome
Minnesota - landfair
OSU - Podraza
usc - fields (YIKEESSS)
... etc
some of the teams 'best' are up for debate so choose whoever you view as the 'best'
personally, I think texas is still stacked but eggleston was very heavily relied on. she was so efficient it was tough for any team to ever go on runs win she was in the front row, in or out of system. I still think they probably win the natty tho
Louisville takes a big hit as well but mbonu was solid in her extended time as a starter and Louisville still beat GT twice, took pitt to 5 at pitt, and swept pitt at home with mbonu as a starter so id still favor them for a final 4 probably. I also would say maybe wisco as a final 4 team with demps replacing Robinson. obviously not an equal but still a ton of weapons who can put the ball away and a huge block.
idk who pitts next oppo is but with a healthy dalton and everyone else also losing their star, I think pitt would've not been as hurt as some others? I only watch them when they play Louisville so my opinion is not valid there.
I also think Minnesota could have possibly been good and ik thats a crazy take. but moving wenaas back over and having crowl play opp wouldn't be the worst lineup we'd see. again, compared to everyone else I think minneosta could've been more okay than others
stanford... please god no
kentucky... shoot me
oregon... one of the less okay teams imo
Nebraska... mess
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Post by staticb on Jan 30, 2023 22:29:12 GMT -5
Is best player the same thing as key player? Eggleston is Texas's best player, but Zoe Fleck was their most important.
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Post by stanfordvb on Jan 30, 2023 22:34:45 GMT -5
Is best player the same thing as key player? Eggleston is Texas's best player, but Zoe Fleck was their most important. its whoever you want. and I would argue eggleston was still more important. she had 9 kills in the first set against Louisville that texas won by 3 points. libbers can't win a match at the end of the day, its the point scorers usually and thats the unfortunate truth. libbers themselves know that, they can keep the ball alive and keep their team in system as much as possible but at the end of the day the hitters need to score, and eggleston did that regardless of whether there was a good pass or not. and halter would still be a very solid lib for them |
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Post by widdledumpling on Jan 30, 2023 22:45:17 GMT -5
Is best player the same thing as key player? Eggleston is Texas's best player, but Zoe Fleck was their most important. its whoever you want. and I would argue eggleston was still more important. she had 9 kills in the first set against Louisville that texas won by 3 points. libbers can't win a match at the end of the day, its the point scorers usually and thats the unfortunate truth. libbers themselves know that, they can keep the ball alive and keep their team in system as much as possible but at the end of the day the hitters need to score, and eggleston did that regardless of whether there was a good pass or not. and halter would still be a very solid lib for them idk about this assessment of liberos—they can certainly lose the game for you. Ask Texas in 2021 after the Nebraska game. Which kind of makes liberos the sine qua non of winning. I guess they could be necessary but not sufficient |
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Jan 30, 2023 23:51:31 GMT -5
It wouldn't have been the Wolverines.
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Post by vbnerd on Jan 31, 2023 0:39:33 GMT -5
I don’t know their best player, but if everybody lost their two best I’d take Wisconsin. With Demps and Wrobel and the 6-2 and I do believe they were deeper than anyone. Robinson may have had to go back to the middle, but they had the horses.
And I think Texas is is still in it as long as they don’t go to their 4th OH. Para, Bergmark and Ewart with Caffey, Phillips and Skinner… that’s still really good.
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Post by bballnut90 on Jan 31, 2023 2:39:40 GMT -5
get ready for this one y'all. im BEYOND bored but I thought this would be fun to think about. Imagine every team in the 2022 season lost their 'best' player. Who do you y'all think takes the biggest hit, or the least of a hit. Projected final 4 and natty? if this is not as fun as I think just tell me to go away lmao. in theory teams would not have : texas - eggleston Louisville - chausse San Diego - blossom pitt - buzzerio stanford - kipp wisco - robinson nebraska - kubik oregon - Nuneviller kentucky - grome Minnesota - landfair OSU - Podraza usc - fields (YIKEESSS) ... etc some of the teams 'best' are up for debate so choose whoever you view as the 'best' personally, I think texas is still stacked but eggleston was very heavily relied on. she was so efficient it was tough for any team to ever go on runs win she was in the front row, in or out of system. I still think they probably win the natty tho Louisville takes a big hit as well but mbonu was solid in her extended time as a starter and Louisville still beat GT twice, took pitt to 5 at pitt, and swept pitt at home with mbonu as a starter so id still favor them for a final 4 probably. I also would say maybe wisco as a final 4 team with demps replacing Robinson. obviously not an equal but still a ton of weapons who can put the ball away and a huge block. idk who pitts next oppo is but with a healthy dalton and everyone else also losing their star, I think pitt would've not been as hurt as some others? I only watch them when they play Louisville so my opinion is not valid there. I also think Minnesota could have possibly been good and ik thats a crazy take. but moving wenaas back over and having crowl play opp wouldn't be the worst lineup we'd see. again, compared to everyone else I think minneosta could've been more okay than others stanford... please god no kentucky... shoot me oregon... one of the less okay teams imo Nebraska... mess I enjoy threads like these. Agree with most of your logic too. Teams that are crippled by 1 player leaving: San Diego-Blossom was the engine on that team. Grome-see San Diego Stanford-Kipp carried such a heavy load Podraza-I'm not sure who is the backup but Mac was excellent this year, and it'd be hard to replace a setter of her caliber Oregon-I'm not sure of their depth but Nunneviller was an absolute stud for Oregon and carried a heavy load factoring in her backrow play USC-obviously not a threat without Fields (and they weren't much of a threat even with her) I don't see any of those squads being Final Four contenders without their stars. Rest of the list: think Nebraska's best player was Rodriguez, though Kubik did a lot for the team. Nebraska had depth but lacked a massive hitter and just didn't have quality setting to get the job done. Now you add in more passing/bump setting woes without Rodriguez and I don't think they could compete for a semifinal spot. I think Wisconsin is the least affected, as they simply bring in Demps who isn't Robinson but she can produce as a hitter. I think they're in the Final Four. Texas is also a Final Four squad still with everyone but Eggleston. Their backrow play is still phenomenal and they have other guns on the team and had Devin H on the bench. Agree about Louisville assuming DeBeer is 100% come tournament time. Mbonu was a very solid replacement when Debeer was out. Not sure who is Minnesota's backup, but I think they'd struggle without Landfair pretty significantly. Wucherer didn't seem ready to take on a heavy load as a freshman, Wenaas was never particularly efficient and I think she'd struggle carrying a larger load. I agree Pitt is probably okay, though Buzzerio is a huge upgrade over Dalton. My final four is Wisconsin, Louisville, Pitt and Texas. I think Wisconsin/Texas are likely best positioned to take the crown, and Wisconsin takes it. |
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Post by jaypak on Jan 31, 2023 22:15:24 GMT -5
Don’t have to speculate on Creighton, they play the NCAAT without their best player every single year!
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jan 31, 2023 22:16:42 GMT -5
Don’t have to speculate on Creighton, they play the NCAAT without their best player every single year! this made me laugh. now im sad lol |
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Post by ay2013 on Jan 31, 2023 23:34:10 GMT -5
Well, if Podraza is your pick for Ohio State it isn't much of a drop-off. She's not that great of a setter and Sarah White is also on the roster. Nebraska also doesn't take much of a hit if Kubik if is the pick. She provides very good passing for an OH, but the offensive drop-off wouldn't be as big as what they ended up doing for the season. Louisville take a big hit. Assuming Debeer is still injured for most of the year, Louisville is probably a 7+ loss team on the year. Stanford takes a big hit because Baird was so underwhelming for the season. I think San Diego would have been mostly alright. They had the pins and backcourt to get it done even without Blossom. Minnesota may have a losing record without Landfair - which is a bit more to do with how strong Minnesota's schedule was (I mean, they were 22-9 WITH Landfair, and she their leading scorer, by far). Wisconsin's depth is too good.
If all things stayed the same but for every team didn't have their best player, I'd probably predict the following top 4 teams: Wisconsin, San Diego, Ohio State, Nebraska or Texas
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Post by stanfordvb on Feb 1, 2023 0:11:30 GMT -5
Well, if Podraza is your pick for Ohio State it isn't much of a drop-off. She's not that great of a setter and Sarah White is also on the roster. Nebraska also doesn't take much of a hit if Kubik if is the pick. She provides very good passing for an OH, but the offensive drop-off wouldn't be as big as what they ended up doing for the season. Louisville take a big hit. Assuming Debeer is still injured for most of the year, Louisville is probably a 7+ loss team on the year. Stanford takes a big hit because Baird was so underwhelming for the season. I think San Diego would have been mostly alright. They had the pins and backcourt to get it done even without Blossom. Minnesota may have a losing record without Landfair - which is a bit more to do with how strong Minnesota's schedule was (I mean, they were 22-9 WITH Landfair, and she their leading scorer, by far). Wisconsin's depth is too good. If all things stayed the same but for every team didn't have their best player, I'd probably predict the following top 4 teams: Wisconsin, San Diego, Ohio State, Nebraska or Texas NEBRASKA? Madi kubik held that team together almost entirely. she also led their underwhelming offense in kills... you realize the next option is is significantly a worse passer / defender and also even less terminal? kubik passed like almost half of Nebraskas total attempts. they didn't even make t past the sweet 16 im beyond confused by that choice lol San Diego as a ff team is definitely a choice too... blossom did a lot of things that went unnoticed. certainly both are bigger hits than louisville losing chausse lmao |
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Post by ay2013 on Feb 1, 2023 0:19:15 GMT -5
Well, if Podraza is your pick for Ohio State it isn't much of a drop-off. She's not that great of a setter and Sarah White is also on the roster. Nebraska also doesn't take much of a hit if Kubik if is the pick. She provides very good passing for an OH, but the offensive drop-off wouldn't be as big as what they ended up doing for the season. Louisville take a big hit. Assuming Debeer is still injured for most of the year, Louisville is probably a 7+ loss team on the year. Stanford takes a big hit because Baird was so underwhelming for the season. I think San Diego would have been mostly alright. They had the pins and backcourt to get it done even without Blossom. Minnesota may have a losing record without Landfair - which is a bit more to do with how strong Minnesota's schedule was (I mean, they were 22-9 WITH Landfair, and she their leading scorer, by far). Wisconsin's depth is too good. If all things stayed the same but for every team didn't have their best player, I'd probably predict the following top 4 teams: Wisconsin, San Diego, Ohio State, Nebraska or Texas NEBRASKA? Madi kubik held that team together almost entirely. she also led their underwhelming offense in kills... you realize the next option is is significantly a worse passer / defender and also even less terminal? kubik passed like almost half of Nebraskas total attempts. they didn't even make t past the sweet 16 im beyond confused by that choice lol San Diego as a ff team is definitely a choice too... blossom did a lot of things that went unnoticed. certainly both are bigger hits than louisville losing chausse lmao Ok, so, if every team lost their best player, which matches do you see Nebraska losing and San Diego losing? IMO Nebraska still wins plenty of matches running a 5-1 with Hames and Batenhorst/Krause on the OH, Launstein on the RS, Allick/Hord in the middle. IMO they probably pick up a couple more wins without the opposing team having their best player (Kipp- 15 kills, Landfair - 15 kills, Londot (OSU's actual best player)- 23 kills.) You already admit that Nebraska's offense was "underwhelming" even WITH Kubik - losing her is less of an offensive loss than players like Landfair, Kipp, Eggleston etc. San Diego's pin corps and passing was still very good, and their schedule wasn't that tough...they probably still enter the post season with minimal losses and a better chance at a top 4 seed with a team like Stanford or Louisville surely being nowhere near as good. Re Louisville, I can see them losing a lot, without 4 kills per set at .300. |
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Post by trojansc on Feb 1, 2023 2:44:53 GMT -5
NEBRASKA? Madi kubik held that team together almost entirely. she also led their underwhelming offense in kills... you realize the next option is is significantly a worse passer / defender and also even less terminal? kubik passed like almost half of Nebraskas total attempts. they didn't even make t past the sweet 16 im beyond confused by that choice lol San Diego as a ff team is definitely a choice too... blossom did a lot of things that went unnoticed. certainly both are bigger hits than louisville losing chausse lmao Ok, so, if every team lost their best player, which matches do you see Nebraska losing and San Diego losing? IMO Nebraska still wins plenty of matches running a 5-1 with Hames and Batenhorst/Krause on the OH, Launstein on the RS, Allick/Hord in the middle. IMO they probably pick up a couple more wins without the opposing team having their best player (Kipp- 15 kills, Landfair - 15 kills, Londot (OSU's actual best player)- 23 kills.) You already admit that Nebraska's offense was "underwhelming" even WITH Kubik - losing her is less of an offensive loss than players like Landfair, Kipp, Eggleston etc. San Diego's pin corps and passing was still very good, and their schedule wasn't that tough...they probably still enter the post season with minimal losses and a better chance at a top 4 seed with a team like Stanford or Louisville surely being nowhere near as good. Re Louisville, I can see them losing a lot, without 4 kills per set at .300. I think you are seriously overestimating San Diego’s backcourt. |
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Post by ay2013 on Feb 1, 2023 3:10:12 GMT -5
get ready for this one y'all. im BEYOND bored but I thought this would be fun to think about. Imagine every team in the 2022 season lost their 'best' player. Who do you y'all think takes the biggest hit, or the least of a hit. Projected final 4 and natty? if this is not as fun as I think just tell me to go away lmao. in theory teams would not have : texas - eggleston Louisville - chausse San Diego - blossom pitt - buzzerio stanford - kipp wisco - robinson nebraska - kubik oregon - Nuneviller kentucky - grome Minnesota - landfair OSU - Podraza usc - fields (YIKEESSS) ... etc some of the teams 'best' are up for debate so choose whoever you view as the 'best' personally, I think texas is still stacked but eggleston was very heavily relied on. she was so efficient it was tough for any team to ever go on runs win she was in the front row, in or out of system. I still think they probably win the natty tho Louisville takes a big hit as well but mbonu was solid in her extended time as a starter and Louisville still beat GT twice, took pitt to 5 at pitt, and swept pitt at home with mbonu as a starter so id still favor them for a final 4 probably. I also would say maybe wisco as a final 4 team with demps replacing Robinson. obviously not an equal but still a ton of weapons who can put the ball away and a huge block. idk who pitts next oppo is but with a healthy dalton and everyone else also losing their star, I think pitt would've not been as hurt as some others? I only watch them when they play Louisville so my opinion is not valid there. I also think Minnesota could have possibly been good and ik thats a crazy take. but moving wenaas back over and having crowl play opp wouldn't be the worst lineup we'd see. again, compared to everyone else I think minneosta could've been more okay than others stanford... please god no kentucky... shoot me oregon... one of the less okay teams imo Nebraska... mess I enjoy threads like these. Agree with most of your logic too. Agree about Louisville assuming DeBeer is 100% come tournament time. Mbonu was a very solid replacement when Debeer was out. My final four is Wisconsin, Louisville, Pitt and Texas. I think Wisconsin/Texas are likely best positioned to take the crown, and Wisconsin takes it. The problem is that come tournament time, Louisville's record isn't the same. Is the expectation that Louisville, without Chaussee all season and Debeer for half the season, still wins enough/the right matches, to get a top 4 seed? Because if so, that is where I think your reasoning falters. Without that top 4 seed, their path to the final four becomes a lot more murky, and they barely escaped Oregon, playing at home, WITH Debeer and Chaussee. |
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Post by ay2013 on Feb 1, 2023 3:15:21 GMT -5
Ok, so, if every team lost their best player, which matches do you see Nebraska losing and San Diego losing? IMO Nebraska still wins plenty of matches running a 5-1 with Hames and Batenhorst/Krause on the OH, Launstein on the RS, Allick/Hord in the middle. IMO they probably pick up a couple more wins without the opposing team having their best player (Kipp- 15 kills, Landfair - 15 kills, Londot (OSU's actual best player)- 23 kills.) You already admit that Nebraska's offense was "underwhelming" even WITH Kubik - losing her is less of an offensive loss than players like Landfair, Kipp, Eggleston etc. San Diego's pin corps and passing was still very good, and their schedule wasn't that tough...they probably still enter the post season with minimal losses and a better chance at a top 4 seed with a team like Stanford or Louisville surely being nowhere near as good. Re Louisville, I can see them losing a lot, without 4 kills per set at .300. I think you are seriously overestimating San Diego’s backcourt. yeah perhaps. I don't want to underestimate Blossom's impact here for San Diego. I know she ran a very quick offense which was critical for the teams' success. I'm not saying that another setter on the roster could have stepped in and did the same things she did, what I'm saying is that I think that San Diego had enough skilled players for a different setter to come in and San Diego have a similar amount of success as San Diego did in 2022. Other than maybe Pitt in the very first match of the season (which is a crapshoot anyway), heading into the tournament, I just don't see which teams would have a more likely shot at beating a blossom-less San Diego if they also lost their best player. |
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