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Post by Montour Meteor on Jan 31, 2023 23:14:45 GMT -5
I use to love college athletics. I’d drive to watch MVC, Big 12, and Big Ten league competition all the time. Mid-majors could compete with the now “power 5” teams. You could watch the players grow and develop at their respective schools. They learned how to deal with the ups and downs, dealt with “adversity”. Now, the NCAA reminds me of Major League Baseball. Nobody cares anymore. Players float from team to team. At least MLB has a salary cap. College athletics has none. The rich get richer. I’m sure some fans feel satisfaction when transfers - who developed elsewhere - ride in and take their team to a good season. I’ll respect the school who doesn’t send players packing to open the door for a portal star. Signed, crying in my beer.
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Post by PointHawks on Feb 1, 2023 0:37:28 GMT -5
BYU has been doing this for years on the men’s side mostly (23+ year olds)
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Post by staticb on Feb 1, 2023 1:21:48 GMT -5
The portal has allowed mid-majors like San Diego to thrive, as well as non-traditional powers like Louisville and Pittsburgh to now challenge for titles. The rich get richer, but it also allows mid-majors who are already good to add the missing pieces or two.
Transferring is dealing with adversity--it's a huge pain in the ass to apply, be accepted and move across the country to a new school. Like the real world, it's time to change jobs when you're not happy/not getting the promotion/whatever. No one is going to say "just suck it up and be miserable in your job/relationship/whatever". I would guess that if you surveyed all the athletes after graduation that transferred, the vast majority would be glad they did.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Feb 1, 2023 11:36:37 GMT -5
Yeah, I've always looked at transferring like a job or ending/starting a relationship. It seemed odd that you'd HAVE to stay. Plus, non-athlete college students transfer all the time.
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Post by juancook on Feb 1, 2023 11:57:53 GMT -5
BYU has been doing this for years on the men’s side mostly (23+ year olds) This is mostly because of men going on missions at the age of 18, correct? |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Feb 1, 2023 12:24:48 GMT -5
The portal has allowed mid-majors like San Diego to thrive, as well as non-traditional powers like Louisville and Pittsburgh to now challenge for titles. The rich get richer, but it also allows mid-majors who are already good to add the missing pieces or two. Transferring is dealing with adversity--it's a huge pain in the ass to apply, be accepted and move across the country to a new school. Like the real world, it's time to change jobs when you're not happy/not getting the promotion/whatever. No one is going to say "just suck it up and be miserable in your job/relationship/whatever". I would guess that if you surveyed all the athletes after graduation that transferred, the vast majority would be glad they did. lol, "mid-majors like San Diego" first of all, San Diego was already thriving before the last couple of years, they thrived a lot last year second of all, the # of "mid-majors like San Diego" is about.....two or so.... (& BYU is not even what I'd consider a mid-major, it's so atypical) bottom line, like it or not, a very likely outcome is potentially turning mid-majors into a 2nd class 'farm system' even worse than the prior 2nd class status they already were. we are seeing that already |
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Post by vbnerd on Feb 1, 2023 12:31:51 GMT -5
The portal has allowed mid-majors like San Diego to thrive, as well as non-traditional powers like Louisville and Pittsburgh to now challenge for titles. The rich get richer, but it also allows mid-majors who are already good to add the missing pieces or two. Transferring is dealing with adversity--it's a huge pain in the ass to apply, be accepted and move across the country to a new school. Like the real world, it's time to change jobs when you're not happy/not getting the promotion/whatever. No one is going to say "just suck it up and be miserable in your job/relationship/whatever". I would guess that if you surveyed all the athletes after graduation that transferred, the vast majority would be glad they did. I don't know if it is about mid-majors or new powers or rich or poor - I think some coaches have just figured out how to get a bump from all this, and some have not. And when 5th years fade away, some coaches will transition back to prep recruiting successfully and some will be less so...and some coaches who have been going the prep route all along will suddenly look a lot stronger when some transfer based program loses loses more than it can replace. |
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Post by vbnerd on Feb 1, 2023 12:33:32 GMT -5
The portal has allowed mid-majors like San Diego to thrive, as well as non-traditional powers like Louisville and Pittsburgh to now challenge for titles. The rich get richer, but it also allows mid-majors who are already good to add the missing pieces or two. Transferring is dealing with adversity--it's a huge pain in the ass to apply, be accepted and move across the country to a new school. Like the real world, it's time to change jobs when you're not happy/not getting the promotion/whatever. No one is going to say "just suck it up and be miserable in your job/relationship/whatever". I would guess that if you surveyed all the athletes after graduation that transferred, the vast majority would be glad they did. lol, "mid-majors like San Diego" first of all, San Diego was already thriving before the last couple of years, they thrived a lot last year second of all, the # of "mid-majors like San Diego" is about.....two or so.... (& BYU is not even what I'd consider a mid-major, it's so atypical) bottom line, like it or not, a very likely outcome is potentially turning mid-majors into a 2nd class 'farm system' even worst than the prior 2nd class arena they already were. we are seeing that already I had the same reaction and then I realized you could make a similar claim for UCF and Houston - not being "like San Diego" as a Jesuit school on the beach, but being mid-majors that reached new heights with significant contributions from transfers - like San Diego did. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Feb 1, 2023 12:41:31 GMT -5
lol, "mid-majors like San Diego" first of all, San Diego was already thriving before the last couple of years, they thrived a lot last year second of all, the # of "mid-majors like San Diego" is about.....two or so.... (& BYU is not even what I'd consider a mid-major, it's so atypical) bottom line, like it or not, a very likely outcome is potentially turning mid-majors into a 2nd class 'farm system' even worst than the prior 2nd class arena they already were. we are seeing that already I had the same reaction and then I realized you could make a similar claim for UCF and Houston - not being "like San Diego" as a Jesuit school on the beach, but being mid-majors that reached new heights with significant contributions from transfers - like San Diego did. yeah, it's still mostly the exception to the rule IMO. there will be some top-tier mid-majors, it just makes average mid-majors susceptable. case in point is Irvine, they had a core, and it's been decimated, not saying that's right or wrong, just demoralizing for whatever fan-base exists. as a fan, if you go thru a couple waves of high level developed juniors/seniors transferring out - it's like why bother anymore. and maybe there is no breaking point where a university questions and gets to why even sponsor, we shall see |
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Post by staticb on Feb 1, 2023 12:55:47 GMT -5
bottom line, like it or not, a very likely outcome is potentially turning mid-majors into a 2nd class 'farm system' even worse than the prior 2nd class status they already were. we are seeing that already If anything the weaker P5 schools are the farm systems. We're seeing way more weak P5 to strong P5 transfers than strong mid-major to strong P5. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Feb 1, 2023 13:37:14 GMT -5
bottom line, like it or not, a very likely outcome is potentially turning mid-majors into a 2nd class 'farm system' even worse than the prior 2nd class status they already were. we are seeing that already If anything the weaker P5 schools are the farm systems. We're seeing way more weak P5 to strong P5 transfers than strong mid-major to strong P5. they are both farm systems it points to the fallacy for football of superconferences, like really Rutgers, Purdue, Maryland, Miss State are really more 'deserving' and brands better than Oregon State and Wazzu & Iowa State or Cal? |
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Post by azvb on Feb 1, 2023 16:10:24 GMT -5
BYU has been doing this for years on the men’s side mostly (23+ year olds) This is mostly because of men going on missions at the age of 18, correct? Yes. The NCAA “freezes” time spent on a religious mission or service type mission ( ie peace corps). Some may argue, is two years away with no training really an advantage? I’d say it depends on the athlete, and where they go. Two years in San Diego vs two years in Haiti for example. Guys, mature later, so it may be an advantage. My nephew leaves for his mission soon, and he’s maybe 130 pounds. He’s going to the Philipines, so he may come back even lighter! FWIW, IMO, the transfer stuff is getting a little out of control. I’m not sure what the answer is, however. |
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Post by redcard on Feb 1, 2023 18:03:44 GMT -5
If anything the weaker P5 schools are the farm systems. We're seeing way more weak P5 to strong P5 transfers than strong mid-major to strong P5. they are both farm systems it points to the fallacy for football of superconferences, like really Rutgers, Purdue, Maryland, Miss State are really more 'deserving' and brands better than Oregon State and Wazzu & Iowa State or Cal? Well, Purdue is!😉 |
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Post by redcard on Feb 1, 2023 18:08:30 GMT -5
Last night I watched the repeat of 30 for 30 with the NC State miracle 83’ bball season and coach JimmyV. The players talked about how great it was that they played together for four years and played against the same guys for four years that really enhanced the rivalries. This was before 1 and done, transfer portal etc… but found it to be a great perspective compared to today’s environment. Look for it if you’ve never watched it….and damn that Houston team was loaded!
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Feb 1, 2023 19:08:41 GMT -5
they are both farm systems it points to the fallacy for football of superconferences, like really Rutgers, Purdue, Maryland, Miss State are really more 'deserving' and brands better than Oregon State and Wazzu & Iowa State or Cal? Well, Purdue is!😉 better than Cal? that's debatable, plus the West Lafayette market I'm sure really draws a ton |
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