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Post by Mocha on Apr 18, 2023 16:05:06 GMT -5
Dominion is still suing Mike Lindell for $1.3 billion and I don’t think he can afford the same type of lawyers as Fox News.
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Post by volleynerd on Apr 18, 2023 16:14:09 GMT -5
somewhere in Nebraska someone's head is exploding. I don’t think the Fox News audience knows yet, there is nothing on its homepage, only headlines now are ‘Biden This’, Biden That’. nothing on broadcast either 5pm broadcast was discussing a parking garage collapse in Lower Manhattan and how scammers are using artificial intelligence. |
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Post by volleynerd on Apr 18, 2023 16:22:37 GMT -5
Dominion is still suing Mike Lindell for $1.3 billion and I don’t think he can afford the same type of lawyers as Fox News. they also have lawsuits against Newsmax and OAN, as well as Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell |
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Post by BearClause on Apr 18, 2023 16:23:04 GMT -5
When I was a kid I somehow convinced myself that a fighter jet cost less than the average car. But that's 7 year old logic. . That's the whole thing about having a promotion where there are official rules. I remember when Kraft had a game promotion with Kraft Singles and due to their game contractor's printing error, they printed more of the grand prize (a minivan) winning game pieces than they were supposed to. The game rules specifically noted how many grand prizes there would be and that they weren't obligated to award more than the published number of prizes in case of a printing error. Kraft offered something like $100 for everyone who had the grand prize piece and entry into a drawing where they would award four times the number of grand prizes as in the contest. But I remember the lead plaintiff in a class action made the rounds on various TV program (I think including Nightline) where her repeated words were something like "I want my minivan". www.washingtonpost.com/archive/business/1989/06/14/kraft-contest-hits-a-snag-thousands-win-single-van/0cdd9601-0696-4ed9-aa9b-43744e063c55/Turns out they settled. |
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Post by volleynerd on Apr 18, 2023 16:23:08 GMT -5
fox also has to deal with the smartmatic
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Post by BearClause on Apr 18, 2023 16:23:36 GMT -5
Dominion is still suing Mike Lindell for $1.3 billion and I don’t think he can afford the same type of lawyers as Fox News. I doubt he has $750 million give or take. |
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 18, 2023 16:24:47 GMT -5
I thought the settlement figure announced was kind of low. Lawyers fees might be handles separately, but in the absence of that, Dominion should have held out for something in the one Billion range.
The idea of a public or on-air admission or apology is always remote—Fox couldn’t be forced to do that if they actually lost the case in court
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Post by BearClause on Apr 18, 2023 16:25:52 GMT -5
Dominion is still suing Mike Lindell for $1.3 billion and I don’t think he can afford the same type of lawyers as Fox News. they also have lawsuits against Newsmax and OAN, as well as Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell And they have the phone calls (I think recorded by Abby Grossberg) with Giuliani where he talks to someone at Fox admitting that he had nothing. |
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Post by BearClause on Apr 18, 2023 16:27:17 GMT -5
I thought the settlement figure announced was kind of low. Lawyers fees might be handles separately, but in the absence of that, Dominion should have held out for something in the one Billion range. A lot of times these numbers are fanciful. I mean - Trump just filed a lawsuit for $500 million against Michael Cohen. |
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Post by volleyguy on Apr 18, 2023 16:35:00 GMT -5
I thought the settlement figure announced was kind of low. Lawyers fees might be handles separately, but in the absence of that, Dominion should have held out for something in the one Billion range. A lot of times these numbers are fanciful. I mean - Trump just filed a lawsuit for $500 million against Michael Cohen. Reputational damage is hard to quantify, but Dominion lost almost $900 million in market value in addition to a claimed $400 million in actual revenue. Actual malice is a high bar, so realizing a Billion dollar award doesn’t seem out of the realm of possibility. |
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Post by BearClause on Apr 18, 2023 16:42:58 GMT -5
A lot of times these numbers are fanciful. I mean - Trump just filed a lawsuit for $500 million against Michael Cohen. Reputational damage is hard to quantify, but Dominion lost almost $900 million in market value in addition to a claimed $400 million in actual revenue. Actual malice is a high bar, so realizing a Billion dollar award doesn’t seem out of the realm of possibility. To some degree they got what they wanted besides money. They got t he admission from Fox News people (plus others they talked to) that Dominion Voting equipment was accurate and that they were just dealing with conspiracy theories that were disproven. |
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Post by BearClause on Apr 18, 2023 17:03:34 GMT -5
Here's Fox's public statement where they both acknowledge that the judge ruled that they had said things that were false but claim that they still hold themselves to the highest journalistic standards (yeah right).
We are pleased to have reached a settlement of our dispute with Dominion Voting Systems. We acknowledge the Court’s rulings finding certain claims about Dominion to be false. This settlement reflects FOX’s continued commitment to the highest journalistic standards. We are hopeful that our decision to resolve this dispute with Dominion amicably, instead of the acrimony of a divisive trial, allows the country to move forward from these issues.
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Post by Mocha on Apr 18, 2023 18:05:13 GMT -5
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 19, 2023 0:41:17 GMT -5
Absurdity is too much for him... |
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Post by ironhammer on Apr 19, 2023 1:22:16 GMT -5
I don't know how many of you are knowledgeable in the legal technicalities of proving defamation. Suffice to say, under US law, it is NOT easy for the plaintiff to prove. In the landmark case The New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, 376 U.S. 254 (1964), it is established that the plaintiff must prove "actual malice" on the part of the defendant. This is a very high burden for the plaintiff. They must show the defendant said the defamatory statement "with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not." The plaintiff must prove actual malice by "clear and convincing" evidence, rather than the usual burden of proof in a civil case, which is the preponderance of the evidence standard.*
*For civil cases, the burden of proof is usually lower for the plaintiff, meaning they don't need to prove to the judge or jury to the same high degree as in criminal cases (prove beyond a reasonable doubt), except for defamation cases.
So for Fox News to essentially throw in the towel to admit defamation really shows the degree of their culpability. The evidence was so overwhelmingly clear showing "actual malice" on the part of Fox, in that even an otherwise tough case for the plaintiff proving defamation was hopeless for Murdoch & Co. Fox was caught with its "hand in the cookie jar", so-to-speak, there was no way for them to defend.
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