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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 7, 2023 15:30:14 GMT -5
My sense - the football schedule had huge scrutiny - I am afraid that may not exist for volleyball? Also - Football has a championship game (not in volleyball). The B12 should want a schedule that they believe will best hold the sanctity of the conference champions. As such - Texas and BYU needs to play twice, and teams that could realistically win the conference shouldn't have a significantly harder/easier schedule. It seems to me that the best course would be to make sure all the top teams play each other twice and all the worst teams play each other twice (obviously, there's a bit of guessing with that, but no one expects Texas to not be a top team, for example). And then do whatever with the middling teams to fill out the rest of the schedule. That would give the best teams more opportunities for quality wins and less opportunities for bad losses. I would go with something like - the top 4 teams should be playing H/H with 2 of them and just 1 game with the other (I would still make sure BYU/TX have a H/H). Then H/H with 2 of the next 4 teams and H/H with 2 of the last 5 teams. What you don't want happening is for any of those top ~ 4 teams having 5 of their 6 H/H with the bottom 5 teams. Or one of the middle bubble teams having to play too many of the top 4 teams. And, you don't want to create a scenerio where the 4th or 5th best team ends up winning conference because everyone assumed they weren't going to be that good and got an extremely conference schedule.
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Post by dl3ww on Mar 7, 2023 15:31:22 GMT -5
I think some of y’all are underestimating Houston a little too much… I see them easily being top 3 in the conference.. and I really wouldn’t be surprised to see them take a match off of Texas
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Post by bluepenquin on Mar 7, 2023 15:34:12 GMT -5
Can someone give a quick rundown on who Houston looses from last year? 6 of their 9 players that played the most were listed as Seniors (curious which ones are coming back for one more year): Isabel Theut (MB) Abbie Jackson (OH) Rachel Tullos (MB) Kennedy Warren (OH) Morgan Janda (S) Kortlyn Henderson (OH) Kellen Morin (MB), Annie Cooke (S), and Kate Georgiades (L) are all valuable players. Add in Sauer (OH) and Mbonu (MB) and this becomes to look pretty good. Add in a couple from above (but looks like they are bringing in up to 6 freshmen, so not sure if any of those above are coming back)? Jackson, Tullos, and Janda are all back. Houston should be good and be similar to Baylor and Kansas - and maybe as good as BYU. They look like a better team on paper than last year. Texas is going to come back to the pack some this year - still the heavy favorite to win conference - but I see 5 strong ~ top 25 type teams here.
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Post by trojansc on Mar 7, 2023 15:37:15 GMT -5
I have mixed feelings. Conference tournaments are cool, but I understand why top teams and conferences don’t like (or need/want) them. I've just always felt that the regular season champion is the legit one that should get the NCAA bid. I know occasionally the champ might have a bit of luck or a fortunate break or two, but that same thing happens far more often in conference tournaments. The NCAA bid (in this example) wouldn’t matter though. The AQ from the PAC/B1G/etc always is gonna get a bid regardless. The top 3 in P5 conferences are generally locks. Georgia Tech in 2018 an exception, it would have been interesting to see if they could play their way in. I do agree with the point though re: unfortunate luck. Especially when like the #6 team happens to be hosting the conference tournament, gets hot, and wins it. I don’t have a strong opinion either way, besides as a spectator that I think conference tournaments are fun.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Mar 7, 2023 15:41:02 GMT -5
I've just always felt that the regular season champion is the legit one that should get the NCAA bid. I know occasionally the champ might have a bit of luck or a fortunate break or two, but that same thing happens far more often in conference tournaments. The NCAA bid (in this example) wouldn’t matter though. The AQ from the PAC/B1G/etc always is gonna get a bid regardless. The top 3 in P5 conferences are generally locks. Georgia Tech in 2018 an exception, it would have been interesting to see if they could play their way in. I do agree with the point though re: unfortunate luck. Especially when like the #6 team happens to be hosting the conference tournament, gets hot, and wins it. I don’t have a strong opinion either way, besides as a spectator that I think conference tournaments are fun. The problem here is that conferences are getting too big, and the schedules too manipulated, so the standings don't reflect how the conference went. See: The SEC the past few years. I shed a tear for the loss of the double round robin.
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Post by bbg95 on May 8, 2023 14:29:48 GMT -5
Looks like the Big 12 may drop its 2023 conference schedule on May 16, according to BYU's social media channels.
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Post by bluepenquin on May 8, 2023 17:08:12 GMT -5
Looks like the Big 12 may drop its 2023 conference schedule on May 16, according to BYU's social media channels. Let us hope they have the good sense to have an 18 game schedule - and not a 20 game. I assume the B12 coaches would have enough pull to make sure 18+ matches doesn't happen.
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Post by bbg95 on May 9, 2023 13:49:56 GMT -5
Looks like the Big 12 may drop its 2023 conference schedule on May 16, according to BYU's social media channels. Let us hope they have the good sense to have an 18 game schedule - and not a 20 game. I assume the B12 coaches would have enough pull to make sure 18+ matches doesn't happen. Yeah, I guess we'll know in a week. Fingers crossed.
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Post by stevehorn on May 9, 2023 14:28:49 GMT -5
Looks like the Big 12 may drop its 2023 conference schedule on May 16, according to BYU's social media channels. Let us hope they have the good sense to have an 18 game schedule - and not a 20 game. I assume the B12 coaches would have enough pull to make sure 18+ matches doesn't happen. An 18 game schedule would already be structured like a 20 game schedule (thanks Okie State) due to the byes.
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Post by vballfreak808 on May 16, 2023 10:23:49 GMT -5
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Post by hornfanaustin on May 16, 2023 10:45:44 GMT -5
Home-home schedule model. Boooooo!
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Post by anOPINionATEDbeACH(hookemboo) on May 16, 2023 10:57:44 GMT -5
The back 2 backs after we bring in a natty....... 👹
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Post by hornfanaustin on May 16, 2023 12:22:50 GMT -5
The back 2 backs after we bring in a natty....... 👹 I know that Big 12 volleyball is not built to serve Texas........
But when Texas comes to town, the home tickets get sold!
[except WVU, which plays in a cavern]
Oh well.
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Post by horns1 on May 16, 2023 15:05:05 GMT -5
Enlarged image:
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Post by bluepenquin on May 16, 2023 15:31:13 GMT -5
At first glance - not sure there is some huge RPI differences in these schedules that I can see, but if I was to make a broad estimate:
1) Texas - very good conference RPI schedule. 2) BYU - very weak conference RPI schedule. 3) Baylor - very weak conference RPI schedule. 4) Houston - slightly weak conference RPI schedule. 5) Kansas - slightly strong conference RPI schedule
I don't know that any of these are enough to make some huge difference - RPI schedules are usually made in the non-conference.
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