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Post by Wolfgang on Sept 14, 2005 1:15:12 GMT -5
Yes, indeed, money can buy titles.
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Post by pineapple on Sept 14, 2005 4:00:17 GMT -5
Yes, in real estate.
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Post by 2c on Sept 14, 2005 20:43:54 GMT -5
Except that out of state scholies cost double at UCSB and with our lack of funds, boosters have to raise the money for teams to get multi out of state scholies. I'm not trying to make excuses, it is a sore point with the fans right now because we see no evidense that the AD is trying to solve this problem and raise additional funds. By UCSB standards, volleyball is still treated quite well as only men's and women's hoops and women's voleyball are "fully funded" scholarship wise. Such is life the last few years at UCSB. I'm not sure I understand this. Why would an out-of-state player's scolarship "cost" more? Do the athletic dept actually pay the Univ $$$ for each player that is equivilent to what that student would pay to simply attend the school? Sure if the player loses her scholarship for any reason and she decides to stay at the school and pays her own way, the Univ would get double the tuition money from her if she's out-of-state vs in-state but how does that tie to Athletic Dept funding and therefore Booster contributions?
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Post by IdahoBoy on Sept 14, 2005 20:52:51 GMT -5
Except that out of state scholies cost double at UCSB and with our lack of funds, boosters have to raise the money for teams to get multi out of state scholies. I'm not trying to make excuses, it is a sore point with the fans right now because we see no evidense that the AD is trying to solve this problem and raise additional funds. By UCSB standards, volleyball is still treated quite well as only men's and women's hoops and women's voleyball are "fully funded" scholarship wise. Such is life the last few years at UCSB. I'm not sure I understand this. Why would an out-of-state player's scolarship "cost" more? Do the athletic dept actually pay the Univ $$$ for each player that is equivilent to what that student would pay to simply attend the school? Sure if the player loses her scholarship for any reason and she decides to stay at the school and pays her own way, the Univ would get double the tuition money from her if she's out-of-state vs in-state but how does that tie to Athletic Dept funding and therefore Booster contributions? I'm pretty sure out-of-state costs are waived for athletes.
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Post by TheSantaBarbarian on Sept 14, 2005 21:06:17 GMT -5
I'm not sure I understand this. Why would an out-of-state player's scolarship "cost" more? Do the athletic dept actually pay the Univ $$$ for each player that is equivilent to what that student would pay to simply attend the school? Sure if the player loses her scholarship for any reason and she decides to stay at the school and pays her own way, the Univ would get double the tuition money from her if she's out-of-state vs in-state but how does that tie to Athletic Dept funding and therefore Booster contributions? I'm pretty sure out-of-state costs are waived for athletes. Well, you would be wrong. University fees (they don't call it tuition) are over double for out of state students. It is not waved for IC athlrtics.
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Post by BearClause on Sept 14, 2005 21:40:33 GMT -5
Well, you would be wrong. University fees (they don't call it tuition) are over double for out of state students. It is not waved for IC athlrtics. As far as I remember, the UC system has "fees" for all students. Tack on "non-resident" tuition as necesaary. However - I've heard that charging in-state/out-of-state costs to the athletic dept. will vary depending on the school. The NCAA Bylaws don't indicate how this should be handled. Some public schools will charge equivalent out-of-state costs for all scholarship athletes. I think the NCAA may be considering some sort of uniform rules to cover charges to the athletic dept.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Sept 14, 2005 23:16:48 GMT -5
Speaking of Pacific again....
... how's there attendance been with the lackluster performances lately?
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Post by Mulcahy on Sept 14, 2005 23:52:50 GMT -5
They had 1200 for their win over Fresno tonight
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Post by georgia(pacific)girl on Sept 16, 2005 16:38:15 GMT -5
I've actually only made it to a couple matches at the Spanos Center this season. Pg, jr high school volleyball season is making it difficult as the varsity matches are at the same time as the Tigers play. Attendance seems to be a little less than normal, but not much.
And wow, what rude things have been said about Stockton, (must be from people who don't know how to get out of the ghettos...) Actually, I don't live IN Stockton proper. You can find "stinking hot" weather in Oklahoma!! At least here, we get a nice cooling down at night.
The Tigers are struggling. We miss Mas and JD, but I don't think that's the only reason Pacific is slipping. JD lost several key recruits while he was here (Ortega, Westling...) I think the program was already on its way to mediocrity when JD got the call from Stanford.
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Post by Wolfgang on Sept 16, 2005 17:17:46 GMT -5
The Tigers are struggling. We miss Mas and JD, but I don't think that's the only reason Pacific is slipping. JD lost several key recruits while he was here (Ortega, Westling...) I think the program was already on its way to mediocrity when JD got the call from Stanford. That's hard to say and I guess only insiders would know. But Pacific was in the Final Four in 1999 and Dunning left Pacific in 2001. He also had Jennifer Joines, a sophomore, and Jamie Hamm. And Dunning probably would've taken steps to "turn the tide" so to speak. He was doing it for the better part of the 1980s and all of the 1990s.
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Post by GoLT15 on Sept 19, 2005 2:46:12 GMT -5
I know I'm late to this topic but a few things:
Out of state scholarships at public, state supported schools do cost more. UCLA and Cal do not waive the cost of out of state scholarships, which are about double the cost of an in state scholarship.
But it's pretty easy for the out of state kid to get CA residence and from what I understand most schools "force", "encourage" the kids to gain CA residency.
As for UOP and the Big West.
I compare it to La Tech, Old Dominion and Delta St. in women's basketball. Those three schools were dominate powers in women's basketball when most schools didn't give a damn about women's athletics. But as the biggers football schools poured more money into the programs and Title IX was starting to be inforced, Delta St. dropped to D-2 and La Tech and ODU are Top 25 teams instead of Top 5 teams.
I think Long Beach St is the La Tech in volleyball. They are still a Top 25 team and will continue to do so as long as Brian G. remains the coach. UOP is like ODU. A once proud program that can't keep up with jones.
The BW is really hurt by schools like Fullerton, Riverside and Cal Poly who are struggling or have been struggling recently.
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Post by vbfan4life on Sept 20, 2005 0:59:55 GMT -5
I really want to believe that Pacific is going to be on the rebound, but I just cannot see it happening any time soon. I will just have to keep my fingers crossed, but I doubt we will be in the top 25 in the next 2 years with the way things are going as of late.
Shake it off and rebound Tigers! Come on Bows - play with heart again this season!
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