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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2005 23:39:04 GMT -5
I've been really dissapointed with Pacific so far this year. It's very sad to see a once great program fall to the level they have.
How come they no longer seem to get the top recruits? Wasn't McHugh in charge of recruiting when Dunning was coach and they got all those great recruits, did Dunning make that much of a difference?
They may never make it back to national championship contender status, but you would think they could maintain at least a top 25 program.
So, anyone taking any bets as to whether McHugh makes it past this season?
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Post by TheSantaBarbarian on Sept 12, 2005 0:03:55 GMT -5
If they don't have some major improvement, I think she's gone.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Sept 12, 2005 1:34:44 GMT -5
Ya know... we could probably say similar things about Long Beach too.... Maybe it's just the Big West? They used to be a premier conference... Then Idaho left and it's crap!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2005 9:59:37 GMT -5
I too was disappointed by Pacific's play and by McHugh's body language on the bench. It's hard to believe this program was in the final four several years ago and has two national titles. Didn't Delta Valley Juniors serve as a huge recruiting tool for UOP or am I confused???
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Post by Wolfgang on Sept 12, 2005 10:28:47 GMT -5
I assume it's difficult for Pacific to recruit the really good players from the local clubs. Most want nothing to do with Stockton. I would imagine they would have better luck with the out-of-state kids who want to play in California, even if Stockton is not close to the beach. Yes, there are exceptions like Jen Joines (Milpitas, CA), Elsa Steggemann, and the like, but as you know, there are exceptions to every rule.
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Post by Tdome2 on Sept 12, 2005 10:55:35 GMT -5
I assume it's difficult for Pacific to recruit the really good players from the local clubs. Most want nothing to do with Stockton. I would imagine they would have better luck with the out-of-state kids who want to play in California, even if Stockton is not close to the beach. Yes, there are exceptions like Jen Joines (Milpitas, CA), Elsa Steggemann, and the like, but as you know, there are exceptions to every rule. These "exceptions" came to UOP to play for JD. He was the link that gave UOP any hope of getting kids. It is going to be very hard for any coach, let alone JM to bring this team back to the hallowed years. You can draw comparisons to the fall of San Jose State once Dick Montgomery left, granted they never won a NC but they were in the 86 Final Four and were consistently in the Top 10. Kids wanted to play for Montgomery and the NCAA rules were a lot less stringent than they are today, those kids trained as a team all summer long.
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Post by BearClause on Sept 12, 2005 10:55:46 GMT -5
I assume it's difficult for Pacific to recruit the really good players from the local clubs. Most want nothing to do with Stockton. I would imagine they would have better luck with the out-of-state kids who want to play in California, even if Stockton is not close to the beach. Yes, there are exceptions like Jen Joines (Milpitas, CA), Elsa Steggemann, and the like, but as you know, there are exceptions to every rule. When was the last time they had a highly coveted player from a local club? The last one I recall was Misty Swails, and her impact was limited by back problems.
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Post by rocket on Sept 12, 2005 11:18:02 GMT -5
Hold your horses - at least until UOP gets back from the journey of pain. How many teams travel to Lincoln and play Penn State, Nebraska, and Pepperine without being embarrassed. I agree, UOP should have faired better, but UOP is not going to see anybody's second-teamers. I know UOP's roster. I am surprised by how bad they were throttled, but I also believe this team will finish in the top two in the Big West. UOP is tough to beat at home and the Big West is not super tough this year. Many of these starters were on the floor last winter when the Tigers lost a tough five-gamer to Cal in the NCAA Tourney - at Cal.
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Post by Wolfgang on Sept 12, 2005 11:27:16 GMT -5
Maybe it's not the caliber of players or the training, but the scouting. At this level, it makes a big difference. I don't think the "lesser" teams want to play better teams straight up; they need an angle. When Mas left UOP, perhaps that left a void unfilled to this day.
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Post by Netter on Sept 12, 2005 12:22:02 GMT -5
As stated before, UOP, UCSB and LBSU all are starting the season with returnees, but also just starting with setters that were either part-time last year or new this year. Give them some time to get their offenses refined and I'm sure they will all be fine, as all do have a lot of talent on their teams.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2005 16:11:12 GMT -5
The losses to Nebraska and Penn State may have been expected, but what was dissapointing was that they were not even remotely competitive in any of the games. They also lost pretty badly to a less than stellar Pepperdine team.
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Post by Wolfgang on Sept 12, 2005 16:13:24 GMT -5
I bet it's the scouting.
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Post by Netter on Sept 12, 2005 16:46:58 GMT -5
Wolfie either normally does well in Vegas or happens to have an ear to the track.
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Post by Wolfgang on Sept 12, 2005 18:29:55 GMT -5
Wolfie ... happens to have an ear to the track. I don't know what this means, but it doesn't sound nice.
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Post by StanfordFan on Sept 12, 2005 18:40:37 GMT -5
Wolfie either normally does well in Vegas or happens to have an ear to the track. Two [blondes, Husker fans, Hawaii fans, fill in the blank] come across some tracks in the woods. One says, those look like rabbit tracks to me. The other says, no, I'm pretty sure they are fox tracks. The two are still arguing when the train hits them.
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