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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 19, 2023 1:31:05 GMT -5
actually I left out UCSD, also 9-9, Both Poly & Beach are 2-0 vs. UCSD and nnow Davis is pushing Poly to 5 sets I find it interesting that the 2nd tiebreaker goes from record from top of the standings and down. I think it should go from bottom of the standings and up. Poly losing to Davis is more understandable than Beach losing to CSUN. that is true. but disagree good wins should trump bad losses |
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Post by gouci on Nov 19, 2023 1:33:13 GMT -5
Will they give out Freshman of the Year and Player of the Year before or after the Big West Tournament? I think it's better if the BWT play is counted in determining the POY honors!
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Post by gouci on Nov 19, 2023 1:38:37 GMT -5
Davis and Cal Poly are tied 11-11 in the 5th.
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Post by gouci on Nov 19, 2023 1:44:58 GMT -5
Tied 12-12 in the 5th, Davis commits back to back serving errors to hand the match to Cal Poly. Ouch!
Cal Poly wins 15-13 in the 5th.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 19, 2023 1:47:26 GMT -5
Poly now the #3 seed, Poly now 9-1 this year in 5 set matches
Irvine #5
Davis #6
Winner of Haw-Beach will be #2, loser will be #4
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Post by kb808 on Nov 19, 2023 4:35:57 GMT -5
Can the Big West get 3 teams in if it’s a Hawaii vs Beach final with the Beach winning ?
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 19, 2023 10:59:22 GMT -5
I guess Irvine is out. Davis gets to play two matches and two chances to get to the semis. what happens if they win both matches ! bigwest.org/tournaments/?id=103 |
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Post by bigwestfan on Nov 19, 2023 12:05:51 GMT -5
I guess Irvine is out. Davis gets to play two matches and two chances to get to the semis. what happens if they win both matches ! bigwest.org/tournaments/?id=103Irvine is 5 seed and Davis is 6 seed. If UCSD was eligible Davis would be home eating Turkey |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 19, 2023 12:08:08 GMT -5
I guess Irvine is out. Davis gets to play two matches and two chances to get to the semis. what happens if they win both matches ! bigwest.org/tournaments/?id=103Irvine is 5 seed and Davis is 6 seed. If UCSD was eligible Davis would home eating Turkey well that got back to the league office pretty quick. guess they read VT!! |
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Post by beachgrad on Nov 19, 2023 13:30:25 GMT -5
As a LBSU fan I am a little disappointed with the regular season. Going into the season the Beach was a top 4 team so ending up in fourth place was the worse case scenario. Injuries can take its toll but that is something every team has to deal with and for LBSU it took a big bite late in the season.
The theme this year has been winning the conference tournament and earning the auto bid. That is still attainable for any of the top 6 teams. Since the matches this season are in Long Beach the Beach have the home court advantage and that may make a difference. Consistency is the name of the game in tournament play and the most consistent team has been UCSB. The Gauchos have a RPI high enough to make the NCAA tournament on their body of work so I hope they lose in the tournament and give the BW another bid. I just pray that LBSU is the hot team and run through the tournament unscathed.
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Post by noblesol on Nov 19, 2023 14:01:33 GMT -5
Irvine is 5 seed and Davis is 6 seed. If UCSD was eligible Davis would home eating Turkey well that got back to the league office pretty quick. guess they read VT!! Scrolling down to 'Championship Schedule', I still see UC Davis on both sides of the bracket, and no UCI. Wonder how long before they catch it. |
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Post by noblesol on Nov 19, 2023 14:26:26 GMT -5
As a LBSU fan I am a little disappointed with the regular season. Going into the season the Beach was a top 4 team so ending up in fourth place was the worse case scenario. Injuries can take its toll but that is something every team has to deal with and for LBSU it took a big bite late in the season. The theme this year has been winning the conference tournament and earning the auto bid. That is still attainable for any of the top 6 teams. Since the matches this season are in Long Beach the Beach have the home court advantage and that may make a difference. Consistency is the name of the game in tournament play and the most consistent team has been UCSB. The Gauchos have a RPI high enough to make the NCAA tournament on their body of work so I hope they lose in the tournament and give the BW another bid. I just pray that LBSU is the hot team and run through the tournament unscathed. When the BWC WVB tournament was announced but still without format, I'd hoped for a four team format. Given the strength of the conference, I felt it unlikely that dipping lower than that would be helpful in getting more teams into the NCAA tournament. The conference isn't strong enough that the #5 and #6 teams will have RPI helpful to or at least not harmful to any team above them that has to play them. As of last week: #6 UC Davis: RPI-193 #5 UC Irvine: -221 #4 Beach: -70 #3 Cal Poly: -100 #2 Hawai'i: -69 #1 UCSB: -34 For the top four, a win over Davis or Irvine isn't going to be very RPI helpful, potentially even a win could still be a drag on RPI. And a loss to either would be a resume hand grenade. Too late of course, the format isn't going to change anytime soon. But the strength of the BWC absolutely doesn't support adding more teams to the tournament should anyone be asking for it. And when the format gets reviewed at some point, the possibility of the current six team format doing damage to the chances of getting multiple NCAA bids should be weighed against giving tournament spoiler chances to teams that are two standard deviations of strength below the NCAA bubble teams. |
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Post by gouci on Nov 19, 2023 15:00:21 GMT -5
Can the Big West get 3 teams in if it’s a Hawaii vs Beach final with the Beach winning ? Current figstats RPI
37 UCSB 57 Hawaii 70 Long Beach St. 97 Cal Poly 194 UC Davis 223 UC Irvine
Under LB St. wins BWT scenario.
Long Beach St. - Winning the BWT may raise their RPI into the top 50. UCSB - They have an at-large now with 1 more loss. But adding 2 more top 50 wins in LB St. improves their resume. Hawaii - They will add another top 100 win in Cal Poly. They will add a top 50 win in LB St.
If LB St. wins the BWT in my opinion only LB St. and UCSB will go to the NCAAs. Realistically you need a top 43 RPI to get an at-large. Even adding 1 top 100 win and 1 top 50 win is not enough to improve Hawaii's #57 RPI into the top 45. Hawaii will fall just short.
Now this is a super longer shot but may be the best chance of the Big West getting 3 teams into the NCAAs is if by a miracle UCI won the BWT. Adding wins over LB St., UCSB and Hawaii would drastically improve UCI's RPI maybe by 75+ places. That in turn would raise the RPIs of all the teams with a win over UCI including Beach, Davis & Poly twice. Hawaii with 2 wins over top150 UCI combined with the RPI bump of Beach, Davis & Poly may be the best math chance of improving Hawaii's #57 RPI into top 45 and getting an at-large. But the chances of UCI winning the BWT is at best like 2% or less.
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Post by noblesol on Nov 19, 2023 15:57:40 GMT -5
Can the Big West get 3 teams in if it’s a Hawaii vs Beach final with the Beach winning ? Current figstats RPI
37 UCSB 57 Hawaii 70 Long Beach St. 97 Cal Poly 194 UC Davis 223 UC Irvine
Under LB St. wins BWT scenario.
Long Beach St. - Winning the BWT may raise their RPI into the top 50. UCSB - They have an at-large now with 1 more loss. But adding 2 more top 50 wins in LB St. improves their resume. Hawaii - They will add another top 100 win in Cal Poly. They will add a top 50 win in LB St.
If LB St. wins the BWT in my opinion only LB St. and UCSB will go to the NCAAs. Realistically you need a top 43 RPI to get an at-large. Even adding 1 top 100 win and 1 top 50 win is not enough to improve Hawaii's #57 RPI into the top 45. Hawaii will fall just short.
Now this is a super longer shot but may be the best chance of the Big West getting 3 teams into the NCAAs is if by a miracle UCI won the BWT. Adding wins over LB St., UCSB and Hawaii would drastically improve UCI's RPI maybe by 75+ places. That in turn would raise the RPIs of all the teams with a win over UCI including Beach, Davis & Poly twice. Hawaii with 2 wins over top150 UCI combined with the RPI bump of Beach, Davis & Poly may be the best math chance of improving Hawaii's #57 RPI into top 45 and getting an at-large. But the chances of UCI winning the BWT is at best like 2% or less.
Just looking at it from one perspective, oh, pick Hawai'i: - UCI to get to the final needs to defeat Beach and UCSB. That would lift UCI's RPI raw score and ranking, but would ranking increase by 75 positions? That does depend on how the teams above them in the ranking are doing as well. Ok, for arguments sake, say UCI winds up at RPI ranking 150 after winning the final. - The only way Hawai'i plays UCI is if Hawai'i meets them in the final. That would happen on the evening of Saturday 25 Nov, Pacific time. Likely the results of which the NCAA selection committee won't consider until the next morning. NCAA selection announcement is the following day, 26 Nov., at 6 PM Eastern. - It's been suspected that the NCAA committee fills out a tournament bracket about a week ahead of announcement, and that few if any changes get made after Thanksgiving. Teams safely within the bubble have been weighed, reviewed, and penciled in. The committee is assumed loath to make changes that upset their likely much argued over penciled brackets. If UCSB and Hawai'i lose to UCI that would force the committee to make room for the BW AQ. They'd have to bump a bubble team to accommodate UCSB or Hawai'i. But given that UCSB now has a hand grenade on their resume with a bad loss to a UCI team with an RPI ranking at least a 100 RPI ranking worse than any of other already penciled in bubble teams, this puts UCSB in a bad balancing act with other teams already deemed worthy. If none of them has a very recent loss as bad as UCSB, well, even teams with RPI in the mid-30's have been left out before. And should Hawai'i lose to UCI in the final, it's extremely doubtful they'd be in a better position than UCSB. - The likely playout should UCI win the BWT, is UCI gets the AQ and the penciled in position that the NCAA committee had slotted for UCSB. Then UCSB gets weighed against the other bubble teams with its hot new hand grenade on its now somewhat stinky resume. And Hawai'i with two unredeemed losses to UCSB likely gets left out in the UCI wins it all scenario. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 19, 2023 16:15:22 GMT -5
UCI wining the BWCT is the best chance for 3 teams?
lol, that's inventing fantasy, with 3 teams getting 3 bad losses to their resumes.
The BIg West will only get two.
the only remote possibility for 3 is Beach winning the BWCT over Hawaii, but that is really doubtful as well.
UCSB is in the NCAA tournament.
If Hawaii were to lose to UCSB, I think Hawaii has a bubble shot, with the LB win, some good RPI games, the two USC wins, Florida State wins. their top 50 (top 100 isn't all that important next to top 50). still that 0-3 against UCSB will be an eyesore.
I think it's either UCSB, or UCSB and the winner of the BWCT. anything else is a pipe dream frankly.
Beach has Texas and that's about it, at this point.
but Davis or IRvine won't be dancing, that's a crack pipe-dream.
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