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Post by redbeard2008 on Aug 4, 2023 17:56:56 GMT -5
USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington do not care about their student athletes. Money and greed are driving this bus. Multiple cross country trips for the volleyball and basketball teams each season is going to kill the talent level on these teams within 3 years, the travel requirements are horrendous. Which is why I think Stanford and Cal will be in the conversation. Why expand to the L.A., Seattle, and Portland-Eugene markets, and not the Bay Area? L.A. and Seattle are 1,135 miles apart.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 4, 2023 17:58:41 GMT -5
The WCC and Big West conferences are the big winners recruiting wise here regarding women's volleyball. i don't know if there are big winners overall I'd say Wazzou and Oregon State are big big losers in this
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Post by volleynerd on Aug 4, 2023 18:00:30 GMT -5
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Post by luckydawg on Aug 4, 2023 18:01:27 GMT -5
USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington do not care about their student athletes. Money and greed are driving this bus. Multiple cross country trips for the volleyball and basketball teams each season is going to kill the talent level on these teams within 3 years, the travel requirements are horrendous. Which is why I think Stanford and Cal will be in the conversation. Why expand to the L.A., Seattle, and Portland-Eugene markets, and not the Bay Area? L.A. and Seattle are 1,135 miles apart. Because that's where the money is. Bay area is a large media market, just not for Stanford and Cal sports.
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Post by raian13 on Aug 4, 2023 18:07:23 GMT -5
The WCC and Big West conferences are the big winners recruiting wise here regarding women's volleyball. i don't know if there are big winners overall I'd say Wazzou and Oregon State are big big losers in this WCC and Big west should merge with them Pac leftovers!
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 4, 2023 18:11:53 GMT -5
The WCC and Big West conferences are the big winners recruiting wise here regarding women's volleyball. i don't know if there are big winners overall I'd say Wazzou and Oregon State are big big losers in this Cal and Stanford likely to B1G on reduced terms (more like Rutgers and Maryland). Arizona likely to B12. ASU also?? Which leaves Utah in the middle of nothing. What happens to Utah? Also B12?
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 4, 2023 18:14:48 GMT -5
i don't know if there are big winners overall I'd say Wazzou and Oregon State are big big losers in this Cal and Stanford likely to B1G on reduced terms (more like Rutgers and Maryland). Arizona likely to B12. ASU also?? Which leaves Utah in the middle of nothing. What happens to Utah? Also B12? I don't get why Stanford and Utah wouldn't be better than Stanford and Cal for the Big 10, in so many ways. yeah, unless doing it just to have one more prestigious university just assuming Stanford and Cal need to go together seems a bit short-sighted.
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Post by buckypete on Aug 4, 2023 18:18:20 GMT -5
Cal and Stanford likely to B1G on reduced terms (more like Rutgers and Maryland). Arizona likely to B12. ASU also?? Which leaves Utah in the middle of nothing. What happens to Utah? Also B12? I don't get why Stanford and Utah wouldn't be better than Stanford and Cal for the Big 10, in so many ways. yeah, unless doing it just to have one more prestigious university just assuming Stanford and Cal need to go together seems a bit short-sighted. Utah is going to the Big 12 with the other four corner schools. Cal needs to get the Big 10 to make a decision quickly because if Notre Dame gets skittish for whatever reason, you can better believe Stanford/Notre Dame would be the proposed package deal to keep the Golden Domers happy.
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Post by midnightblue on Aug 4, 2023 18:19:45 GMT -5
Cal and Stanford likely to B1G on reduced terms (more like Rutgers and Maryland). Arizona likely to B12. ASU also?? Which leaves Utah in the middle of nothing. What happens to Utah? Also B12? I don't get why Stanford and Utah wouldn't be better than Stanford and Cal for the Big 10, in so many ways. yeah, unless doing it just to have one more prestigious university just assuming Stanford and Cal need to go together seems a bit short-sighted. The Bay Area market would be what they're after from an athletics point of view. More generally they're at least somewhat interested in that market from an academic / partneership persepctive. If they're going after that market, they'll want to 'own' all of it.
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Post by lionsfan on Aug 4, 2023 18:25:56 GMT -5
What's going to happen to Stanford's Olympic sports if it doesn't figure out something good fast? They already tried to cut sports a few years ago. It could have an immediate impact on recruiting.
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Post by midnightblue on Aug 4, 2023 18:30:45 GMT -5
What's going to happen to Stanford's Olympic sports if it doesn't figure out something good fast? They already tried to cut sports a few years ago. It could have an immediate impact on recruiting. There has been talk of the ACC (which makes absolutely no sense from a geography position). I guess there's WCC? Hope B1G comes calling Monday? They don't have the football program to be independant. UConn can do it because their revenue sports are men's and women's basketball.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 4, 2023 18:44:17 GMT -5
I don't get why Stanford and Utah wouldn't be better than Stanford and Cal for the Big 10, in so many ways. yeah, unless doing it just to have one more prestigious university just assuming Stanford and Cal need to go together seems a bit short-sighted. The Bay Area market would be what they're after from an athletics point of view. More generally they're at least somewhat interested in that market from an academic / partneership persepctive. If they're going after that market, they'll want to 'own' all of it. yup, Bay area is over 7.75 million and Sacramento metro is another half million. Salt Lake metro is about 1.25 million and the entire state is only 3.3 million. Cal+Stanford has a large and significant population that makes for an easy travel partner. Utah+Arizona isn't bad for a travel partner (now that Col is gone).
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Post by slxpress on Aug 4, 2023 18:46:23 GMT -5
What's going to happen to Stanford's Olympic sports if it doesn't figure out something good fast? They already tried to cut sports a few years ago. It could have an immediate impact on recruiting. They’re not going to find something good fast. They’re going to have to spend a few years wandering in the wilderness and figure out how important competing in athletics is to them in the long run. The other piece of this puzzle is the growth in pay for student athletes and the transfer portal. Does Stanford really want to compete in that environment? If the answer is yes, they have the ability to compete with anyone. If the answer is no, why bother to join a serious conference anyway? But in the end, the Big 10 is the only fit for them. Right now the Big 10 has made a major move towards national relevance while the SEC doesn’t really have good opportunities to build the same footprint. The Big 12 will be the conference of the best programs the Big 10 or SEC don’t want. That will be an even stronger platform after the ACC is dead. Then we’ll have a football playoff that includes those three conferences and throws a bone to anyone outside of it.
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 4, 2023 18:52:12 GMT -5
USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington do not care about their student athletes. Money and greed are driving this bus. Multiple cross country trips for the volleyball and basketball teams each season is going to kill the talent level on these teams within 3 years, the travel requirements are horrendous. I think you are way underestimating how luxurious every aspect of the student athlete experience can be when you increase the department budget by $50 million. It's worth spending an extra hour on the private charter. Is it an increase of $50 million? I thought they were getting $30+ million on the current deal. $15ish million to cover the travel for all of the sports doesn't sound to me like they are taking the G6 for the weekend.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 4, 2023 19:01:32 GMT -5
What's going to happen to Stanford's Olympic sports if it doesn't figure out something good fast? They already tried to cut sports a few years ago. It could have an immediate impact on recruiting. There has been talk of the ACC (which makes absolutely no sense from a geography position). I guess there's WCC? Hope B1G comes calling Monday? They don't have the football program to be independant. UConn can do it because their revenue sports are men's and women's basketball. Go all in and have 3 8 team divisions. Pac8, B1G-2 and BACC (Something like Clemson, FSU, Maryland, Rutgers, PSU, OSU, MSU, Michigan). Q: Once you go all in for money, and expand past a certain point, what happens to old loyalties that aren't really that level, like NW and Iowa? Carry them along as equal partners? I was just listening to an interview with a long time West coast AD who was involved with TV talks with the Pac12 in the late 90's, where TV was told that LA was the Pac12 anchor, and long term that the "we are all equal" talk wasn't realistic and if they didn't treat their upper echelon better (also including Washington and Oregon), that they were going to lose them and it would be a disaster. They didn't listen. It took over 25 years, but it inevitably happened. Can the B1G survive intact with all this expansion and the bringing in of big markets if they don't also tier the payouts based on the value that each school brings?
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