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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 4, 2023 19:06:45 GMT -5
What's going to happen to Stanford's Olympic sports if it doesn't figure out something good fast? They already tried to cut sports a few years ago. It could have an immediate impact on recruiting. They’re not going to find something good fast. They’re going to have to spend a few years wandering in the wilderness and figure out how important competing in athletics is to them in the long run. The other piece of this puzzle is the growth in pay for student athletes and the transfer portal. Does Stanford really want to compete in that environment? If the answer is yes, they have the ability to compete with anyone. If the answer is no, why bother to join a serious conference anyway? But in the end, the Big 10 is the only fit for them. Right now the Big 10 has made a major move towards national relevance while the SEC doesn’t really have good opportunities to build the same footprint. The Big 12 will be the conference of the best programs the Big 10 or SEC don’t want. That will be an even stronger platform after the ACC is dead. Then we’ll have a football playoff that includes those three conferences and throws a bone to anyone outside of it. The same West coast AD I referenced above (not Pac12, but very familiar as a long time P12 assistant AD) said that Stanford and Cal are in a very precarious position and they will need to cut a much lesser deal with fewer cents on the dollar than Washington or Oregon to get into the B1G. He said that its very likely Washington and Oregon are going in with lesser terms than the LA schools (because their leverage was less to start with and much, much less at this point), and that Cal/Stanford should take a lot less than that to avoid being left behind completely with no viable P12 for the immediate future (P5, with Cal, Stanford, WSU, OSU and Utah?)
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Post by redcard🏐 on Aug 4, 2023 20:11:04 GMT -5
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Post by redcard🏐 on Aug 4, 2023 20:40:08 GMT -5
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Post by volleyballwriter on Aug 4, 2023 20:45:45 GMT -5
Where will Stanford go? A competitive conference?
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Post by hammer on Aug 4, 2023 20:49:52 GMT -5
Where will Stanford go? A competitive conference? All by myself, I wanna be all by myself ...
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Post by jagdpanther on Aug 4, 2023 20:55:01 GMT -5
I'm sure someone already posted this, but...
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Post by skyspy on Aug 4, 2023 21:00:45 GMT -5
Where will Stanford go? A competitive conference? How would any high profile prospect pick Stanford without a true major volleyball conference affiliation now? Maybe they will have to be an independent.
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Post by raian13 on Aug 4, 2023 21:03:02 GMT -5
If the remaining Pac schools move to WCC it should be considered the 5th in P5 no?
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Post by luckydawg on Aug 4, 2023 21:09:52 GMT -5
Where will Stanford go? A competitive conference? How would any high profile prospect pick Stanford without a true major volleyball conference affiliation now? Maybe they will have to be an independent. The money comes from football and basketball broadcast rights. Unfortunately, Stanford has no following and therefore, no value as an independent. They may need to take whatever is offered by whoever offers it. Or stay in the Pac and see how it plays out.
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Post by luckydawg on Aug 4, 2023 21:20:11 GMT -5
This will not help WSU's massive deficit: "But they said major structural questions remained unanswered, including whether there should be an ongoing subsidy to support athletics and address debt carried over from previous years, which is expected to reach $65 million next year and continue to grow without ongoing contributions from donors. WSU Athletics Deficit
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 4, 2023 22:06:00 GMT -5
I don't get why Stanford and Utah wouldn't be better than Stanford and Cal for the Big 10, in so many ways. yeah, unless doing it just to have one more prestigious university just assuming Stanford and Cal need to go together seems a bit short-sighted. Utah is going to the Big 12 with the other four corner schools. Cal needs to get the Big 10 to make a decision quickly because if Notre Dame gets skittish for whatever reason, you can better believe Stanford/Notre Dame would be the proposed package deal to keep the Golden Domers happy. I really don't think Notre Dame cares about Stanford. They can simply replace them with UCLA on their schedule.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Aug 4, 2023 22:32:17 GMT -5
If the remaining Pac schools move to WCC it should be considered the 5th in P5 no? I think we're in the P4 era no matter where they move.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Aug 4, 2023 22:36:32 GMT -5
I know Stanford generally has a lot of money, a significant endowment - but general endowment funds just aren't spent willy nilly and automatically transfer to the athletic department. How much money does Stanford athletics have independent of any general university money? You'd think Stanford could do some targeted fundraising and raise a bunch of cash for the separate athletic department endowment. Or not. It seems like it could arrange the money to go independent until the smoke clears. What can Cal do for itself?
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 4, 2023 22:38:06 GMT -5
If the remaining Pac schools move to WCC it should be considered the 5th in P5 no? WCC? They don't play football. I think it has to be the Mountain West. Well, unless the Pac-12 schools drop their football programs. Oh, and there's no P5 anymore. The Pac-12 suffered the same fate that the old Big East (remember, it used to be a P6) did.
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Post by luckydawg on Aug 4, 2023 23:23:24 GMT -5
I know Stanford generally has a lot of money, a significant endowment - but general endowment funds just aren't spent willy nilly and automatically transfer to the athletic department. How much money does Stanford athletics have independent of any general university money? You'd think Stanford could do some targeted fundraising and raise a bunch of cash for the separate athletic department endowment. Or not. It seems like it could arrange the money to go independent until the smoke clears. What can Cal do for itself? Three years ago Stanford tried to drop 11 sports due to finances. After lawsuits and bad press, they changed their collective minds. Doubtful the situation has improved dramatically. CBS Sports
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