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Post by vbnerd on Aug 5, 2023 7:43:04 GMT -5
The Big West has 11 public schools, 10 of which are from California. Would that be a good fit for Cal? And football plays as an independent.
Stanford is harder. The WCC is at 9 teams so they could easily take 1 more, but is that a fit?
And does this help or hurt the MPSF?
Oregon St and Washington St fit the MWC. They are going to need to cut about $25 million in expenses so lots of coaches not getting renewed, but I think they have a suitable fit.
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Post by soljah808 on Aug 5, 2023 7:43:29 GMT -5
I have no empathy for Oregon State and it's AD on this current situation. They never gave 2 sh*ts when G5 teams were scraping the barrel trying its best to remain relevant in ever changing times and barely getting scraps money wise. Now Oregon State may just have to endure and enjoy what many of the small guys have had to deal with for decades without the P5 conference not even batting an eye.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 5, 2023 7:44:20 GMT -5
Money = overall fan interest. If you believe that money is killing college sports, what you are really saying is increased fan interest is killing college sports.
Now - I think a better argument would be that college football is killing the other college sports. I don't totally agree with this, but I can see that argument.
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Post by soljah808 on Aug 5, 2023 7:44:32 GMT -5
The Big West has 11 public schools, 10 of which are from California. Would that be a good fit for Cal? And football plays as an independent. Stanford is harder. The WCC is at 9 teams so they could easily take 1 more, but is that a fit? And does this help or hurt the MPSF? Oregon St and Washington St fit the MWC. They are going to need to cut about $25 million in expenses so lots of coaches not getting renewed, but I think they have a suitable fit. Yeah I see WSU and OSU becoming full members potentially with the MWC and possibly Cal and Stanford football going indy and its Olympic sports possibly going to the WCC.
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Post by volleyball303 on Aug 5, 2023 8:12:15 GMT -5
So what was the biggest issue for the Pac-12? I know everyone is saying TV deal but was it bad leadership? Was this just the ultimate outcome with UCLA and USC decided to leave? They should have picked up 2 teams real fast. Colorado was afraid to get left out and once they jumped ship everything started falling.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 5, 2023 8:21:44 GMT -5
So what was the biggest issue for the Pac-12? I know everyone is saying TV deal but was it bad leadership? Was this just the ultimate outcome with UCLA and USC decided to leave? They should have picked up 2 teams real fast. Colorado was afraid to get left out and once they jumped ship everything started falling. They could have had the B12 TV deal with ESPN, but shot for the stars and lost. B12 took that deal, the PAC could never find one comparable after this. W/O a legit TV deal, they were toast. Now there were many things that led up to this, but in the end - that was the issue.
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Post by hammer on Aug 5, 2023 8:22:23 GMT -5
So what was the biggest issue for the Pac-12? I know everyone is saying TV deal but was it bad leadership? Was this just the ultimate outcome with UCLA and USC decided to leave? They should have picked up 2 teams real fast. Colorado was afraid to get left out and once they jumped ship everything started falling. LARRY SCOTT'S legacy sucks!
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Post by nellynel on Aug 5, 2023 8:24:31 GMT -5
Money = overall fan interest. If you believe that money is killing college sports, what you are really saying is increased fan interest is killing college sports. Now - I think a better argument would be that college football is killing the other college sports. I don't totally agree with this, but I can see that argument. Exactly, everyone says they hate where college sports is going but keep watching. Stop watching and attending and it will go back to intramural activities between universities.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 5, 2023 8:27:56 GMT -5
Money = overall fan interest. If you believe that money is killing college sports, what you are really saying is increased fan interest is killing college sports. Now - I think a better argument would be that college football is killing the other college sports. I don't totally agree with this, but I can see that argument. Exactly, everyone says they hate where college sports is going but keep watching. Stop watching and attending and it will go back to intramural activities between universities. I stopped watching college football years ago, and that didn't stop all this from happening. I guess I'm not important enough.
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Post by nellynel on Aug 5, 2023 8:31:40 GMT -5
Exactly, everyone says they hate where college sports is going but keep watching. Stop watching and attending and it will go back to intramural activities between universities. I stopped watching college football years ago, and that didn't stop all this from happening. I guess I'm not important enough. You just need to convince 20 million more people but that’s a good start.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 5, 2023 8:33:59 GMT -5
A couple years ago the Big 12 was very close to being dead. In the days and weeks following TX/OK announcing they were joining the SEC - EVERY remaining school was scrambling for survival. The most likely scenario was for most of those schools being absorbed into the Mountain West. Living around here - I know that diehard fans of Kansas State were going through the processes - and were coming to terms that they would end up being in the Mountain West. Here is the thing - nobody in the rest of the country gave a rip about the destruction of the Big 12 - or more importantly the likely demise of the athletic departments for many schools left behind. The PAC turned their noses to ANY of the remaining schools in the Big 12. Then the Presidents of these Universities made the critical decision to hire Yormark. So, forgive me if I don't give a rip about the PAC schools left behind today. Yeah, I'm also unmoved by the plight of Oregon State and Washington State fans when they were in power conferences for 100 years due to geography.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 5, 2023 8:38:12 GMT -5
So what was the biggest issue for the Pac-12? I know everyone is saying TV deal but was it bad leadership? Was this just the ultimate outcome with UCLA and USC decided to leave? They should have picked up 2 teams real fast. Colorado was afraid to get left out and once they jumped ship everything started falling. They could have had the B12 TV deal with ESPN, but shot for the stars and lost. B12 took that deal, the PAC could never find one comparable after this. W/O a legit TV deal, they were toast. Now there were many things that led up to this, but in the end - that was the issue. At this point, I think we can add Kliavkoff to the list of all-time bad conference commissioners, even if the presidents are also to blame.
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Post by tomclen on Aug 5, 2023 9:47:49 GMT -5
Stanford indicating that at least they're not yet ready to just dump all their sports programs...
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 5, 2023 9:49:40 GMT -5
So, forgive me if I don't give a rip about the PAC schools left behind today. OK, but did anyone ask you to "give a rip about them"? I mean, this thread title is clearly labelled "PAC12", and if you don't care about the PAC12, you didn't have to open the thread. You especially didn't have to compose a post. Anyone who has even a passing interest in college sports would be interested in the death of a major conference. Only expecting Pac-12 fans to participate in a thread of this nature is not realistic. The same was true when the Southwest and the old Big East died.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 5, 2023 10:03:17 GMT -5
The Big West has 11 public schools, 10 of which are from California. Would that be a good fit for Cal? And football plays as an independent. Stanford is harder. The WCC is at 9 teams so they could easily take 1 more, but is that a fit? And does this help or hurt the MPSF? Oregon St and Washington St fit the MWC. They are going to need to cut about $25 million in expenses so lots of coaches not getting renewed, but I think they have a suitable fit. Stanford is not a WCC fit. WCC is religious, and not really all that high academically. Stanford fits one other conference other than B1G. Ivy League. Cal does fit the Big West, now of course, they'd have no desire to be in it. On the other hand, if Cal gets UCLA money, and reduces operating costs to Big West standards, it might not be bad other than they are screweed for football. I think there's a possibility Cal just gives up on sports, period, if they can't get in the B1G. Just make a write off and leave the rat race I don't think OSU, WSU really do all that much for the Mountain West, a nice add. Now if they could convince Cal & Stanford, the Mountain West would proably be able to up their mediia, not huge, but it would help probably all moot, the B1G will probable make a pity offer at lower amounts to the B1G. would be great for the BIg West to add at least Cal, and in the abstract, Cal fits and also helps with another NorCal. Stanford would never go t the Big West, but you never know. I think Stanford indpependent in football and Olympic in Big West with Cal is so far fetched. I just don't see Stanford and Cal in the WCC though, but you never know.
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