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Post by JJVb on Aug 10, 2023 2:00:48 GMT -5
Good. I would like to see the PAC survive as a conference and the best way it can is if at least 3 of the 4 PAC teams left merge with MWC under the PAC name. Just need 9 teams out of MWC to vote to merge and disdolve the MWC, and likely can get an improved renegotiated media rights deal. Not as good as B1G 10 or 12s, but still better than ACC or MWC can offer by just joining their conference.
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Post by winesalot on Aug 10, 2023 8:26:56 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been posted in this thread, but the AAC is interested in taking Stanford, Cal, Washington State, and Oregon State together. Probably very far fetched, but at least an option.
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Post by brooselee on Aug 10, 2023 9:45:06 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been posted in this thread, but the AAC is interested in taking Stanford, Cal, Washington State, and Oregon State together. Probably very far fetched, but at least an option. LOL Wonder how East Carolina, Temple, FAU, Charlotte and University of South Florida feel about this? Not to mention also mention Memphis and UAB. As much as Stanford is a real branded name out west, it doesn’t hold the same prestige out easy. The Ivy League and Duke are the Stanford of the east. I can see 7 “no” votes here.
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Post by horns1 on Aug 10, 2023 10:05:38 GMT -5
Okay, Kirk. Try taking some responsibility for hiring Larry Scott, allowing him to select some of the most expensive space in San Francisco for conference headquarters, agreeing to front him a huge personal loan, hiring Kliavkoff, and not demanding a lot earlier to know the details of TV contract negotiations.
EDIT: I guess saying the Presidents were "disengaged" is at least accepting some blame.
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Post by jcvball22 on Aug 10, 2023 11:17:38 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been posted in this thread, but the AAC is interested in taking Stanford, Cal, Washington State, and Oregon State together. Probably very far fetched, but at least an option. LOL Wonder how East Carolina, Temple, FAU, Charlotte and University of South Florida feel about this? Not to mention also mention Memphis and UAB. As much as Stanford is a real branded name out west, it doesn’t hold the same prestige out easy. The Ivy League and Duke are the Stanford of the east. I can see 7 “no” votes here. Uhhhhh I mean, I'm from the east. The Stanford brand holds exactly the same level of prestige as the Ivy's and Duke (and I would argue more than Duke). Not really sure how that fits with your argument.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 10, 2023 11:45:29 GMT -5
LOL Wonder how East Carolina, Temple, FAU, Charlotte and University of South Florida feel about this? Not to mention also mention Memphis and UAB. As much as Stanford is a real branded name out west, it doesn’t hold the same prestige out easy. The Ivy League and Duke are the Stanford of the east. I can see 7 “no” votes here. Uhhhhh I mean, I'm from the east. The Stanford brand holds exactly the same level of prestige as the Ivy's and Duke (and I would argue more than Duke). Not really sure how that fits with your argument. Stanford is on par with the top Ivy League schools (e.g. Yale, Princeton, Harvard) as well as some elite non-Ivy League schools (e.g. MIT, Chicago), above the lesser Ivy League schools (e.g. Dartmouth, Cornell, Brown) and definitely above Duke in my view.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 10, 2023 13:16:42 GMT -5
Are we talking sports or school?
Stanford is certainly an elite school with top name recognition all over the world, including on the East Coast of the USA. Certainly higher than Duke, and also higher than many of the Ivy schools.
For sports though? Probably a different story. Likely depends on whether you are asking someone who only cares about FB and MBB or whether you are asking someone who follows women's sports. Stanford WVB and WBB are certainly top national brands, but the typical FB fan doesn't know or care about WVB or WBB.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 10, 2023 13:31:32 GMT -5
Are we talking sports or school? Stanford is certainly an elite school with top name recognition all over the world, including on the East Coast of the USA. Certainly higher than Duke, and also higher than many of the Ivy schools. For sports though? Probably a different story. Likely depends on whether you are asking someone who only cares about FB and MBB or whether you are asking someone who follows women's sports. Stanford WVB and WBB are certainly top national brands, but the typical FB fan doesn't know or care about WVB or WBB. I believe this discussion was about the school itself rather than the athletics program.
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Post by tomclen on Aug 10, 2023 14:21:42 GMT -5
To those hoping to see "the PAC survive as a conference," I'm with you. But it's too late.
Unless USC, UCLA, UW and UO return, the PAC is dead. Oh, there may be a conference with the PAC name attached to it.
But the PAC conference that so many of us enjoyed watching is dead and gone. The death of an historic conference is a symptom of a horrible disease that has infected college sports.
Many institutions of higher learning have lost their way.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 10, 2023 14:25:26 GMT -5
Many institutions of higher learning have lost their way. I think you meant to say, "multi-million-dollar sports programs".
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Post by luckydawg on Aug 10, 2023 14:53:58 GMT -5
Many institutions of higher learning have lost their way. I think you meant to say, "multi-million-dollar sports programs". Or negative multi-million dollar programs WSU Athletic Deficit
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Aug 10, 2023 15:17:52 GMT -5
Good. I would like to see the PAC survive as a conference and the best way it can is if at least 3 of the 4 PAC teams left merge with MWC under the PAC name. Just need 9 teams out of MWC to vote to merge and disdolve the MWC, and likely can get an improved renegotiated media rights deal. Not as good as B1G 10 or 12s, but still better than ACC or MWC can offer by just joining their conference. I just had this conversation with a WSU alum. We decided we were going to boycott all things BIG (sorry dawgs but only course of action) and hold out until the newly formed "PAC" re-invites the UW back to a more fitting setting. I'll start following the dawgs again then and only then, meanwhile Go Cougs! As a kid I grew-up a Coug fan, so it's not difficult to switch back to my original allegiance.
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Post by surfvolleypolojock77 on Aug 10, 2023 15:17:54 GMT -5
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 10, 2023 15:20:13 GMT -5
It would be amusing if the "Hateful Four" managed to wreck the playoff chances of everyone else.
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Post by tomclen on Aug 10, 2023 15:36:48 GMT -5
He won two national titles coaching at Miami. He was PAC coach of the year at three different schools: WSU: OSU; and ASU. .. - Dennis Erickson
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