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Post by tomclen on Aug 10, 2023 16:15:19 GMT -5
Never thought I'd say this, but I'll be rooting for WSU VB to win the title in the "final" year of the PAC:
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Post by davethecoug on Aug 10, 2023 16:59:51 GMT -5
He won two national titles coaching at Miami. He was PAC coach of the year at three different schools: WSU: OSU; and ASU. .. - Dennis EricksonHaHa... His comment about "money" is pretty funny considering he left Wyoming for WSU for more money. He then left WSU for more money at Miami. Reports at the time, indicated that WSU had a clause in his contract that said that Dennis was responsible for paying off the contracts of the assistants he didn't take with him to Miami. Dennis was not happy about this when he found out it cost him a bunch of money.
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Post by HappyVolley on Aug 10, 2023 18:12:34 GMT -5
Many institutions of higher learning have lost their way. I think you meant to say, "multi-million-dollar sports programs". It isn't just the athletic departments. You'd have to be in total denial to believe that university presidents and governing boards aren't up to their necks in this debacle.
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Post by HappyVolley on Aug 10, 2023 18:18:59 GMT -5
The schools that left won't care as long as they are piling up the cheddar. This isn't about winning or losing -- it's about the benjamins.
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Post by luckydawg on Aug 10, 2023 18:20:46 GMT -5
He won two national titles coaching at Miami. He was PAC coach of the year at three different schools: WSU: OSU; and ASU. .. - Dennis EricksonPretty sure that he always asked for max$ from those same universities.
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Post by surfvolleypolojock77 on Aug 10, 2023 18:54:25 GMT -5
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Post by surfvolleypolojock77 on Aug 10, 2023 20:06:51 GMT -5
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Post by surfvolleypolojock77 on Aug 10, 2023 20:09:15 GMT -5
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Post by HappyVolley on Aug 11, 2023 11:32:20 GMT -5
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Post by surfvolleypolojock77 on Aug 11, 2023 12:36:57 GMT -5
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 11, 2023 12:38:47 GMT -5
This has been rumored for a while. Just astonishing delusion on the part of Kliavkoff and the Pac-12 presidents.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Aug 11, 2023 12:51:55 GMT -5
I certainly hope some heads roll for this.
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Post by slxpress on Aug 11, 2023 13:13:50 GMT -5
This has been rumored for a while. Just astonishing delusion on the part of Kliavkoff and the Pac-12 presidents. I get my timelines mixed up. This is after USC and UCLA had announced their departure, right? This is when ESPN suddenly dropped out of the negotiations, which really spelled doom for a floundering Pac-12. It’s just tough for me to paint Kliavkoff as the fall guy here. By this point the Pac-12 was a dead man walking, hence the thread title. The real problems were trying to run their own network, not accepting a bid to take it over in 2018, the rapidly declining interest in college football on the west coast, and the final kicker - the Big 10 willing to aggressively go after USC and UCLA in a bold move which I personally didn’t see coming at all, and we know it put the rest of the conference in shock. Whatever existence the PAC-12 was going to have after that was a dead cat bounce.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 11, 2023 13:20:11 GMT -5
This has been rumored for a while. Just astonishing delusion on the part of Kliavkoff and the Pac-12 presidents. I get my timelines mixed up. This is after USC and UCLA had announced their departure, right? This is when ESPN suddenly dropped out of the negotiations, which really spelled doom for a floundering Pac-12. It’s just tough for me to paint Kliavkoff as the fall guy here. By this point the Pac-12 was a dead man walking, hence the thread title. The real problems were trying to run their own network, not accepting a bid to take it over in 2018, the rapidly declining interest in college football on the west coast, and the final kicker - the Big 10 willing to aggressively go after USC and UCLA in a bold move which I personally didn’t see coming at all, and we know it put the rest of the conference in shock. Whatever existence the PAC-12 was going to have after that was a dead cat bounce. Correct. This was last fall during the exclusive negotiating window that the Pac-12 had with its existing partners, ESPN and Fox. I don't think the Pac-12 was dead, though. They apparently had a $30 million per year per school offer (sans USC and UCLA) and countered with $50 million per year per school. If they had just taken the offer, they would still have a conference, and the Big 12 may have had a hard time getting a deal. Anyway, I suppose you can put more blame on the university presidents than Kliavkoff, and I think there's a fair case to do that. But they were the authors of their own demise.
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Post by slxpress on Aug 11, 2023 13:24:42 GMT -5
I get my timelines mixed up. This is after USC and UCLA had announced their departure, right? This is when ESPN suddenly dropped out of the negotiations, which really spelled doom for a floundering Pac-12. It’s just tough for me to paint Kliavkoff as the fall guy here. By this point the Pac-12 was a dead man walking, hence the thread title. The real problems were trying to run their own network, not accepting a bid to take it over in 2018, the rapidly declining interest in college football on the west coast, and the final kicker - the Big 10 willing to aggressively go after USC and UCLA in a bold move which I personally didn’t see coming at all, and we know it put the rest of the conference in shock. Whatever existence the PAC-12 was going to have after that was a dead cat bounce. Correct. This was last fall during the exclusive negotiating window that the Pac-12 had with its existing partners, ESPN and Fox. I don't think the Pac-12 was dead, though. They apparently had a $30 million per year per school offer (sans USC and UCLA) and countered with $50 million per year per school. If they had just taken the offer, they would still have a conference, and the Big 12 may have been having a hard time finding a deal. Anyway, I suppose you can put more blame on the university presidents than Kliavkoff, and I think there's a fair case to do that. But they were the authors of their own demise. I don’t mean immediately. I’m saying with USC/UCLA departed and the Big 10 showing they’re willing to travel across the Rocky Mountains for travel, the PAC-12 was dead. You’re right, it wouldn’t have been as imminent as it has been, but it wasn’t going to last, either. No way Oregon and Washington were going to sign a long term GOR with the remaining schools. A short term GOR simply starts the clock for when the final nail is driven in.
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