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Post by bbg95 on Aug 24, 2023 9:20:43 GMT -5
If the ACC adds Stanford, Cal and SMU, it's kind of funny that killing the Pac-12 will result in more P4 schools than before, which runs contrary to the consolidation trend. There will be fewer power conferences, but the only schools getting relegated to G5 would be Oregon State and Washington State. Meanwhile, there would be five new P4 schools in BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, UCF and SMU. That being said, I think a super conference is very likely some day.
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 24, 2023 9:29:33 GMT -5
Seems like Stanford, Cal, and SMU are willing to join the ACC for less money than the rest of the conference. Sounds like it is up to the ACC accepting - specifically one of the following (NC State, North Carolina, Clemson, Florida State) switching their votes. As of now - I think this is going to happen. The North Carolina soccer coach came out with a blistering critique of allowing them to join. At most schools that wouldn’t matter all that much. He’s just the soccer coach. But at North Carolina it matters, given that Anson Dorrance is arguably the most successful NCAA coach of all time in any sport. It doesn't matter at UNC, either.
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Post by trojansc on Aug 24, 2023 9:34:04 GMT -5
If the ACC adds Stanford, Cal and SMU, it's kind of funny that killing the Pac-12 will result in more P4 schools than before, which runs contrary to the consolidation trend. There will be fewer power conferences, but the only schools getting relegated to G5 would be Oregon State and Washington State. Meanwhile, there would be five new P4 schools in BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, UCF and SMU. That being said, I think a super conference is very likely some day. I'd rather see Oregon State or Wazzu in the P5/P4 rather than Cal.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 24, 2023 9:41:55 GMT -5
If the ACC adds Stanford, Cal and SMU, it's kind of funny that killing the Pac-12 will result in more P4 schools than before, which runs contrary to the consolidation trend. There will be fewer power conferences, but the only schools getting relegated to G5 would be Oregon State and Washington State. Meanwhile, there would be five new P4 schools in BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, UCF and SMU. That being said, I think a super conference is very likely some day. I'd rather see Oregon State or Wazzu in the P5/P4 rather than Cal. Unfortunately, I think Oregon State and Washington State are screwed, since it doesn't seem that any school with clout really cares about them. Cal is still the top public school in the country, they have a decent amount of Olympic sport success, they're a travel partner for Stanford, etc.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 24, 2023 10:05:53 GMT -5
Seems like Stanford, Cal, and SMU are willing to join the ACC for less money than the rest of the conference. Sounds like it is up to the ACC accepting - specifically one of the following (NC State, North Carolina, Clemson, Florida State) switching their votes. As of now - I think this is going to happen. The North Carolina soccer coach came out with a blistering critique of allowing them to join. At most schools that wouldn’t matter all that much. He’s just the soccer coach. But at North Carolina it matters, given that Anson Dorrance is arguably the most successful NCAA coach of all time in any sport. There is still the option that Stanford, Cal, and SMU only join for Football and Basketball.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 24, 2023 10:06:48 GMT -5
The North Carolina soccer coach came out with a blistering critique of allowing them to join. At most schools that wouldn’t matter all that much. He’s just the soccer coach. But at North Carolina it matters, given that Anson Dorrance is arguably the most successful NCAA coach of all time in any sport. There is still the option that Stanford, Cal, and SMU only join for Football and Basketball. Football, maybe. But how are they going to get anyone to agree to take all of their non-revenue sports? No basketball seems like a dealbreaker.
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Post by horns1 on Aug 24, 2023 10:20:14 GMT -5
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 24, 2023 10:28:45 GMT -5
There is still the option that Stanford, Cal, and SMU only join for Football and Basketball. Football, maybe. But how are they going to get anyone to agree to take all of their non-revenue sports? No basketball seems like a dealbreaker. I thought for sure I read this - this morning at either ESPN or CBS, but now I cannot find it now? Oh well...
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Post by luckydawg on Aug 24, 2023 10:31:59 GMT -5
Having a massive endowment does not mean it's discretionary in spending. Donations of this type generally have very specific uses. A $5 mil donation to Computer Science does not help athletics. They have few paying fans in the revenue sports and ranked 10 out of 12 in attendance SI.comI hate arguing with idiots but since the season has not started yet I will indulge you. CLEVELAND – The Stanford Cardinal secured its 26th overall LEARFIELD Directors' Cup back on June 13 and finished 2022-23 with 1412.00 total points after the College World Series. Stanford claimed three national titles – men's gymnastics, women's rowing and women's water polo - while also tallying five top-3 finishes (women's swimming and diving, women's golf, softball, women's tennis, and men's outdoor track and field). Overall, Stanford scored in 3 of 4 countable sports, along with 15 additional total sports. The following scores were removed – women's cross country and soccer, women's gymnastics, men's indoor track and field, wrestling, women's outdoor track and field, and fencing - due to the maximum additional sports to be counted is 15. nacda.com/news/2023/6/28/directorscup-stanford-captures-learfield-directors-cup.aspxUnfortunately, the discussion is about redirecting endowment funds, not the quality of non-revenue sports.
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Post by baytree on Aug 24, 2023 10:35:29 GMT -5
Football, maybe. But how are they going to get anyone to agree to take all of their non-revenue sports? No basketball seems like a dealbreaker. I thought for sure I read this - this morning at either ESPN or CBS, but now I cannot find it now? Oh well... I'm pretty sure the SF Chronicle raised it as a possibility, tho they said that all sports going to the ACC was more likely. But IIRC the tweet linking to the article (which some other ppl quoted) made it sound like it would be football and basketball only.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 24, 2023 10:37:20 GMT -5
You really didn't follow what I wrote at all. The "creative" part has nothing to do with violating the terms of an endowment. The Stanford sailing coach was not being financially creative, somebody else was and was using him to commit a crime. If that $6.5 million walked through the front door at Stanford as an offer to endow the sailing team contingent that she is accepted, then where are we right now? The coach wrote a book about being the scapegoat for something that should not have been a problem if it was done just a little differently and with the school's involvement. By definition, using endowment funds for something it was not intended is the definition of violating the terms. Using our $5m Computer Science example, it pays out approx $200,000 per year. Reducing the CS budget by that amount to fund athletics, much less the $5m principle, would not fly with the department, the donor or the university. The best hope to find this kind of money is the president's discretionary fund. That just means a lot of unhappy alumni. It's funny that you repeatedly argue that it can't be done, then finish with an example of how it could be done.
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Post by HappyVolley on Aug 24, 2023 10:44:17 GMT -5
Happy Anniversary, everyone.
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Post by luckydawg on Aug 24, 2023 10:50:01 GMT -5
By definition, using endowment funds for something it was not intended is the definition of violating the terms. Using our $5m Computer Science example, it pays out approx $200,000 per year. Reducing the CS budget by that amount to fund athletics, much less the $5m principle, would not fly with the department, the donor or the university. The best hope to find this kind of money is the president's discretionary fund. That just means a lot of unhappy alumni. It's funny that you repeatedly argue that it can't be done, then finish with an example of how it could be done. Not at all contradictory. The president's discretionary fund is generally a budget line item, not a specific endowment payout. The prez would need to be convinced that using some of that money on athletics is a higher priority than other university needs such as academics.
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Post by Gladys Kravitz on Aug 24, 2023 11:01:58 GMT -5
Stanford respects it's athletes and the travel burden placed on them will be enormous. They arethinking long and hard before they do this. They have a 36.2 billion endowment which could carry their teams for a couple of seasons as a independent and wait for things to settle down before they join any conference. They have few paying fans in the revenue sports and ranked 10 out of 12 in attendance SI.comYou are a Washington fan so I understand but Stanford does not care about attendance for their teams. They have been the top ranked athletic program 26 times. Money from fans does not drive their bus.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 24, 2023 11:09:23 GMT -5
I thought for sure I read this - this morning at either ESPN or CBS, but now I cannot find it now? Oh well... I'm pretty sure the SF Chronicle raised it as a possibility, tho they said that all sports going to the ACC was more likely. But IIRC the tweet linking to the article (which some other ppl quoted) made it sound like it would be football and basketball only. I've just never heard of that happening before. Why would the WCC, Big West or Mountain West want to take all those sports with no basketball? I suppose with the WCC or Big West, it wouldn't really add that much in travel. But I still don't really see what they get out of it. I guess if Stanford and Cal agreed to cover the additional travel costs and possibly throw in something extra as a bonus, maybe that could work? I don't know.
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