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Post by savannahbadger on Aug 26, 2023 19:50:01 GMT -5
Stanford & Cal makes sense. OrSU & WSU do not. I honestly don't think any of them make sense. I'm doubtful that the TV partners would sign up for two more schools, much less four. Not exactly a no-brainer move, but if you know you can block one of the Big Ten’s coveted moves (ND & Stanford), then you entertain it.
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Post by slxpress on Aug 26, 2023 19:50:49 GMT -5
I honestly don't think any of them make sense. I'm doubtful that the TV partners would sign up for two more schools, much less four. Also - having spent years with Texas volleyball in conference, I sort of don't want to have to deal with Stanford now that Texas is gone. Look out for both BYU and UH. I think both programs can use their membership in the Big 12 to loft themselves to another level. But yeah, I’m honestly looking forward to what the Big 12 will look like in volleyball without Texas. There are a ton of programs that can elevate themselves.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 26, 2023 19:50:55 GMT -5
I honestly don't think any of them make sense. I'm doubtful that the TV partners would sign up for two more schools, much less four. Not exactly a no-brainer move, but if you know you can block one of the Big Ten’s coveted moves (ND & Stanford), then you entertain it. The Big Ten could add Stanford right now if they wanted to. And Stanford would jump from the Big 12 anyway if a Big Ten invite came.
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Post by baytree on Aug 26, 2023 19:51:43 GMT -5
Stanford & Cal makes sense. OrSU & WSU do not. I honestly don't think any of them make sense. I'm doubtful that the TV partners would sign up for two more schools, much less four. The rumors I've seen are this is being pushed by ESPN bc the ACC is taking so long, which makes sense bc of their carriage fees. What is not clear is if FOX would be willing to chip in.
Per the rumors (and John Skipper), ESPN's agreement lets them bump up the subscription price across the whole state for any teams. So they'd get the higher carriage fees in all of CA, OR, and WA. If true, that would be a good deal for them.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 26, 2023 19:52:24 GMT -5
I honestly don't think any of them make sense. I'm doubtful that the TV partners would sign up for two more schools, much less four. The rumors I've seen are this is being pushed by ESPN bc the ACC is taking so long, which makes sense bc of their carriage fees. What is not clear is if FOX would be willing to chip in.
Per the rumors (and John Skipper), ESPN's agreement lets them bump up the subscription price across the whole state for any teams. So they'd get the higher carriage fees in all of CA, OR, and WA. If true, that would be a good deal for them.
Hmm, I guess. If true, then TV calls the shots as always.
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Post by davethecoug on Aug 26, 2023 20:13:11 GMT -5
I honestly don't think any of them make sense. I'm doubtful that the TV partners would sign up for two more schools, much less four. The rumors I've seen are this is being pushed by ESPN bc the ACC is taking so long, which makes sense bc of their carriage fees. What is not clear is if FOX would be willing to chip in.
Per the rumors (and John Skipper), ESPN's agreement lets them bump up the subscription price across the whole state for any teams. So they'd get the higher carriage fees in all of CA, OR, and WA. If true, that would be a good deal for them.
Fox currently has deals for teams in California, Oregon, Washington, and the various states of the Mountain West. ESPN currently has no deals for College Football in the Pacific Time Zone.
I still don't understand why people are so disrespectful to Wazzu.
Wazzu had the 6th highest TV viewers in the Pac-12 from 2015-2019. And I recently read that WSU also had the 6th highest TV viewers in 2022. Utah, Cal, ASU, CU, UA, and OSU were all below.
The State of Washington has a population of approx. 7.8 million. That is more than many/most Big-12 states (including Colorado, Utah, and Arizona). And ESPN wouldn't have to pay twice for coverage in the state (like they are doing in many Big-12 states).
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Post by luckydawg on Aug 26, 2023 20:18:33 GMT -5
I honestly don't think any of them make sense. I'm doubtful that the TV partners would sign up for two more schools, much less four. Not exactly a no-brainer move, but if you know you can block one of the Big Ten’s coveted moves (ND & Stanford), then you entertain it. If the Big or ACC wanted Stanford, this thread would already be over. Unfortunately for Stanford, they have no local, regional or national following in football. This is the only sport that really matters for the media contracts. Pretty much the same for Cal.
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Post by savannahbadger on Aug 26, 2023 20:23:10 GMT -5
Not exactly a no-brainer move, but if you know you can block one of the Big Ten’s coveted moves (ND & Stanford), then you entertain it. If the Big or ACC wanted Stanford, this thread would already be over. Unfortunately for Stanford, they have no local, regional or national following in football. This is the only sport that really matters for the media contracts. Pretty much the same for Cal. The Big Ten has zero interest in Stanford, solo. The Big Ten has zero interest in Stanford & Cal, paired. The Big Ten has IMMENSE interest in Notre Dame & Stanford, paired.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 26, 2023 20:29:11 GMT -5
If the Big or ACC wanted Stanford, this thread would already be over. Unfortunately for Stanford, they have no local, regional or national following in football. This is the only sport that really matters for the media contracts. Pretty much the same for Cal. The Big Ten has zero interest in Stanford, solo. The Big Ten has zero interest in Stanford & Cal, paired. The Big Ten has IMMENSE interest in Notre Dame & Stanford, paired. The Big Ten has IMMENSE interest in Notre Dame & Stanford, paired. And anyway, there isn't much to indicate that Notre Dame is interested.
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Post by luckydawg on Aug 26, 2023 20:39:15 GMT -5
If the Big or ACC wanted Stanford, this thread would already be over. Unfortunately for Stanford, they have no local, regional or national following in football. This is the only sport that really matters for the media contracts. Pretty much the same for Cal. The Big Ten has zero interest in Stanford, solo. The Big Ten has zero interest in Stanford & Cal, paired. The Big Ten has IMMENSE interest in Notre Dame & Stanford, paired. For things that matter financially, Stanford brings nothing to the Big. Or ACC. Or Big12 apparently. Or even the disappearing Pac.
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Post by baytree on Aug 26, 2023 20:48:22 GMT -5
The rumors I've seen are this is being pushed by ESPN bc the ACC is taking so long, which makes sense bc of their carriage fees. What is not clear is if FOX would be willing to chip in.
Per the rumors (and John Skipper), ESPN's agreement lets them bump up the subscription price across the whole state for any teams. So they'd get the higher carriage fees in all of CA, OR, and WA. If true, that would be a good deal for them.
Fox currently has deals for teams in California, Oregon, Washington, and the various states of the Mountain West. ESPN currently has no deals for College Football in the Pacific Time Zone.
I still don't understand why people are so disrespectful to Wazzu.
Wazzu had the 6th highest TV viewers in the Pac-12 from 2015-2019. And I recently read that WSU also had the 6th highest TV viewers in 2022. Utah, Cal, ASU, CU, UA, and OSU were all below.
The State of Washington has a population of approx. 7.8 million. That is more than many/most Big-12 states (including Colorado, Utah, and Arizona). And ESPN wouldn't have to pay twice for coverage in the state (like they are doing in many Big-12 states).
As I understand it, Fox's contract only lets them bump carriage fees in a school's DMA (or possibly adjacent DMAs but I don't think Stanford or Cal include Sacramento's DMA). I don't think Fox has contracts for the DMAs of Stanford, Cal, or WSU. I'm not sure what DMA OSU is in. But, obviously, adding higher carriage fees in a few DMAs is a lot less attractive than adding higher carriage fees in a whole state, esp CA and WA (at least in the West).
We're in a transition period when audience numbers are important and so are carriage fees. If the info is correct about ESPN's carriage fees, adding a CA team is a no brainer, even if you have to take two of them to get one of them. TX is also a no brainer (but they have that in the Big12). Adding a WA team would also be attractive. But, as ppl cut cords, actual eyeballs become more important.
I hope all four teams find good homes. That was a downside for me of the rumors about Stanford and Cal going to the ACC.
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Post by davethecoug on Aug 26, 2023 21:08:06 GMT -5
Fox currently has deals for teams in California, Oregon, Washington, and the various states of the Mountain West. ESPN currently has no deals for College Football in the Pacific Time Zone.
I still don't understand why people are so disrespectful to Wazzu.
Wazzu had the 6th highest TV viewers in the Pac-12 from 2015-2019. And I recently read that WSU also had the 6th highest TV viewers in 2022. Utah, Cal, ASU, CU, UA, and OSU were all below.
The State of Washington has a population of approx. 7.8 million. That is more than many/most Big-12 states (including Colorado, Utah, and Arizona). And ESPN wouldn't have to pay twice for coverage in the state (like they are doing in many Big-12 states).
As I understand it, Fox's contract only lets them bump carriage fees in a school's DMA (or possibly adjacent DMAs but I don't think Stanford or Cal include Sacramento's DMA). I don't think Fox has contracts for the DMAs of Stanford, Cal, or WSU. I'm not sure what DMA OSU is in. But, obviously, adding higher carriage fees in a few DMAs is a lot less attractive than adding higher carriage fees in a whole state, esp CA and WA.
We're in a transition period when audience numbers are important and so are carriage fees. If the info is correct about ESPN's carriage fees, adding a CA team is a no brainer, even if you have to take two of them to get one of them. TX is also a no brainer (but they have that in the Big12). Adding a WA team would also be attractive. But, as ppl cut cords, actual eyeballs become more important.
I hope all four teams find good homes. That was a downside for me of the rumors about Stanford and Cal going to the ACC.
Good info. With the demise of Cable and Satellite TV, carriage fees are probably less important. I assume ESPN is more interested in figuring out how they will get future subscriptions to their App. The Internet rumor mill says that this is only a few years away.
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Post by baytree on Aug 26, 2023 21:11:08 GMT -5
As I understand it, Fox's contract only lets them bump carriage fees in a school's DMA (or possibly adjacent DMAs but I don't think Stanford or Cal include Sacramento's DMA). I don't think Fox has contracts for the DMAs of Stanford, Cal, or WSU. I'm not sure what DMA OSU is in. But, obviously, adding higher carriage fees in a few DMAs is a lot less attractive than adding higher carriage fees in a whole state, esp CA and WA.
We're in a transition period when audience numbers are important and so are carriage fees. If the info is correct about ESPN's carriage fees, adding a CA team is a no brainer, even if you have to take two of them to get one of them. TX is also a no brainer (but they have that in the Big12). Adding a WA team would also be attractive. But, as ppl cut cords, actual eyeballs become more important.
I hope all four teams find good homes. That was a downside for me of the rumors about Stanford and Cal going to the ACC.
Good info. With the demise of Cable and Satellite TV, carriage fees are probably less important. I assume ESPN is more interested in figuring out how they will get future subscriptions to their App. The Internet rumor mill says that this is only a few years away.
Yes but they said the same thing a few years ago.
They're also saying ESPN will go bankrupt or else threaten bankruptcy to force all the conferences to re-negotiate. And that Apple will buy Disney. Who knows what will happen.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 26, 2023 21:37:25 GMT -5
Good info. With the demise of Cable and Satellite TV, carriage fees are probably less important. I assume ESPN is more interested in figuring out how they will get future subscriptions to their App. The Internet rumor mill says that this is only a few years away.
Yes but they said the same thing a few years ago. They're also saying ESPN will go bankrupt or else threaten bankruptcy to force all the conferences to re-negotiate. And that Apple will buy Disney. Who knows what will happen.
definitely a dream scenario for ESPN to go bankrupt, as well as FOX. then make the contracts meaningless and all the Hogs of college athletics get slaughtered with finding themselves is silly conferences and having diminshed regional interest. yep, definitely rooting for the system to fail. and that's not bad, it's sports, it's entertainment, there would be nothing bad at all about the system failing. it's circular promotion with trying to mae college pros and networks trying to sell product to justify their buying the product, when there is already professional leagues. like the outragious bidding for Olympics. Failure would be a very good thing for this new model of college sports.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 27, 2023 9:55:52 GMT -5
Things could change, but as of now, Brett McMurphy says the Big 12 isn't interested.
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