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Post by slxpress on Sept 1, 2023 14:48:01 GMT -5
For women's soccer specifically, the move to the ACC might actually help Stanford in recruiting. Granted, they don't need much help, but still. It will help in lacrosse, too. It's a weird move, borne from desperation and the ending of the geographic barrier to conference affiliation that I thought would keep the Big 10 or the SEC from poaching. I still think the Texas/OU move to the SEC precipitated it all as much or more than USC/UCLA. Not sure Big 10/Fox so aggressively pursue that move if it weren't for UT/OU heading to the SEC suddenly. There was a huge FOMO if ESPN and SEC chose to go after USC/UCLA. Don't know if it ever would have happened, but the folks on the other side of the equation didn't want to risk it after passing on going after TX/OU. But that's more of my opinion from the Texas side than anything factual.
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Post by leftcoaster71 on Sept 1, 2023 15:52:34 GMT -5
For Stanford fans - trying to quantify the travel issues for the Stanford players - and more specifically, would this materially impact recruiting. This year - 14 week schedule and Stanford is traveling outside the Bay area 10 of those 14 weeks. Below is the weekly travel schedule for this year ranked roughly from longest to shortest - and what would likely be the worst case scenario for next season: 1. Florida (Florida) 2. Tennessee (Georgia/South Carolina) 3. Minnesota (North Carolina) 4. Nebraska (New York) 5. Arizona (Kentucky) 6. Colorado 7. Washington 8. Oregon 9. Los Angeles This leaves open what they want to do in the non-conference - where they could certainly easily make it possible to have 2 full weeks of less travel than this year. And this is a worst-case scenario for conference travel - a more realistic scenario probably takes away one of those long load trips. I am just not seeing some huge increase in travel for the players here - at least not what people seem to think is going to happen. Question for you from an RPI perspective. Historically, Stanford schedules 2 to 3 top tier B1G teams. With USC and UCLA now being B1G teams, how bad would it be for Stanford to schedule 4 or 5 B1G teams (with USC and UCLA being a constant yearly opponent)? My understanding is that the more teams you schedule from an individual conference, the worse it would be for your own RPI.
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Post by bluepenquin on Sept 1, 2023 15:59:34 GMT -5
For Stanford fans - trying to quantify the travel issues for the Stanford players - and more specifically, would this materially impact recruiting. This year - 14 week schedule and Stanford is traveling outside the Bay area 10 of those 14 weeks. Below is the weekly travel schedule for this year ranked roughly from longest to shortest - and what would likely be the worst case scenario for next season: 1. Florida (Florida) 2. Tennessee (Georgia/South Carolina) 3. Minnesota (North Carolina) 4. Nebraska (New York) 5. Arizona (Kentucky) 6. Colorado 7. Washington 8. Oregon 9. Los Angeles This leaves open what they want to do in the non-conference - where they could certainly easily make it possible to have 2 full weeks of less travel than this year. And this is a worst-case scenario for conference travel - a more realistic scenario probably takes away one of those long load trips. I am just not seeing some huge increase in travel for the players here - at least not what people seem to think is going to happen. Question for you from an RPI perspective. Historically, Stanford schedules 2 to 3 top tier B1G teams. With USC and UCLA now being B1G teams, how bad would it be for Stanford to schedule 4 or 5 B1G teams (with USC and UCLA being a constant yearly opponent)? My understanding is that the more teams you schedule from an individual conference, the worse it would be for your own RPI. Stanford will almost be guaranteed to benefit from RPI in the ACC over the old PAC. But I am not sure Stanford has really cared about RPI. They care about having a very challenging schedule all season - and they are playing for Regional Host status and preparedness for the tournament. I think the RPI will be fine - the question is whether they are willing (or will need to) travel much in the nonconference to play the caliber of teams to be a reginal host. And are they going to be 'froced' to dial back that nonconference travel because of the increased conference travel. Louisville and Pittsburgh have been able to be a regional seed out of the ACC - but they have also played a great non conference schedule (and won). Stanford will have to find the right teams on the coast - or continue to travel in the noncon.
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Sept 1, 2023 16:19:56 GMT -5
For women's soccer specifically, the move to the ACC might actually help Stanford in recruiting. Granted, they don't need much help, but still. It will help in lacrosse, too. . Yeah, the women's lacrosse conferences are about to get silly.
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Post by Mocha on Sept 1, 2023 17:19:15 GMT -5
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Post by staticb on Sept 1, 2023 17:25:20 GMT -5
I wonder if the student athletes at Stanford band together and tell the administrators no we are not going to be subjected to a travel schedule made in hell that is so unfair to us? You’d never get a consensus. There’s decent amount of athletes who love the travel. Missing in-person class has also never been easier and you’re talking about kids who are already excellent in school.
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Post by Mocha on Sept 1, 2023 17:44:20 GMT -5
What the ACC may be proposing with a central location in Dallas is already being done in volleyball by the SWAC with what they call Clusters (not because of travel distances, but because they couldn’t care less about volleyball).
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Post by arclight on Sept 1, 2023 17:55:04 GMT -5
I wonder if maybe the Stanford athletes tell their administrators we are not doing this and have a student athlete revolt? LOL, Stanford doesn't even start classes until 26 September. An entire month after semester based universities athletes have been dealing with the strain of training, studying and playing. Give me a break!
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Post by trojansc on Sept 1, 2023 18:01:38 GMT -5
What the ACC may be proposing with a central location in Dallas is already being done in volleyball by the SWAC with what they call Clusters (not because of travel distances, but because they couldn’t care less about volleyball). They used to call it the SWAC Round up. It's fun!
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Post by luckydawg on Sept 1, 2023 19:06:32 GMT -5
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Post by tomclen on Sept 6, 2023 4:45:43 GMT -5
Article in the Washington Post headlined: "Olympic Sports Made the PAC12 Great; What Happens to Them Now?" And a lot of quotes from AVCA's Jaime Gordon: Read the full story HERE
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Sept 6, 2023 12:25:01 GMT -5
Article in the Washington Post headlined: "Olympic Sports Made the PAC12 Great; What Happens to Them Now?" I don't feel that there's a need for so much handwringing, though I "get" this overarching sentiment re: Oly sports and the PAC (I am part of a three-generation PCC/Pac-8/P-10 multisport SA family: many in Olympic sports (Soccer, Swimming, T&F, MVB)). What will undoubtedly happen is that the MPSF...plus other more-regional specialty conferences...will add more teams and more "minor" sports to fill the breach. That "hub" being proposed for Dallas is another example of the potential accommodation. I know Udub doesn't have many warm weather, MPSF-ish programs: rowing is your top sport (IRA handles that). Other leagues and conferences apart from the Pac-12 and from the NCAA itself already exist and will expand to take up the gap from the PAC's demise. Not the best of scenarios; who saw it coming?
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Sept 6, 2023 14:39:14 GMT -5
Article in the Washington Post headlined: "Olympic Sports Made the PAC12 Great; What Happens to Them Now?" I don't feel that there's a need for so much handwringing, though I "get" this overarching sentiment re: Oly sports and the PAC (I am part of a three-generation PCC/Pac-8/P-10 multisport SA family: many in Olympic sports (Soccer, Swimming, T&F, MVB)). What will undoubtedly happen is that the MPSF...plus other more-regional specialty conferences...will add more teams and more "minor" sports to fill the breach. That "hub" being proposed for Dallas is another example of the potential accommodation. I know Udub doesn't have many warm weather, MPSF-ish programs: rowing is your top sport (IRA handles that). Other leagues and conferences apart from the Pac-12 and from the NCAA itself already exist and will expand to take up the gap from the PAC's demise. Not the best of scenarios; who saw it coming? Just saw that the MPSF moved from Woodland, CA to SLO to Seattle. Gearing up for their expansion?
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Sept 6, 2023 15:55:52 GMT -5
I don't feel that there's a need for so much handwringing, though I "get" this overarching sentiment re: Oly sports and the PAC (I am part of a three-generation PCC/Pac-8/P-10 multisport SA family: many in Olympic sports (Soccer, Swimming, T&F, MVB)). What will undoubtedly happen is that the MPSF...plus other more-regional specialty conferences...will add more teams and more "minor" sports to fill the breach. That "hub" being proposed for Dallas is another example of the potential accommodation. I know Udub doesn't have many warm weather, MPSF-ish programs: rowing is your top sport (IRA handles that). Other leagues and conferences apart from the Pac-12 and from the NCAA itself already exist and will expand to take up the gap from the PAC's demise. Not the best of scenarios; who saw it coming? Just saw that the MPSF moved from Woodland, CA to SLO to Seattle. Gearing up for their expansion?Adding to this speculation....I read that the MPSF has bolstered its sponsored sports to eleven in recent years: Artistic (formerly Synchronized) Swimming, Fencing, M&W Gymnastics, M&W Indoor T+F, M&W Swimming + Diving, MVB and M&W Water Polo. Another recently unveiled fact is they're nationwide now (teams in PA, OK, IL and TX; the rest are Rocky Mountain and Pacific universities). Oly sports live on!
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Sept 6, 2023 16:24:29 GMT -5
I don't feel that there's a need for so much handwringing, though I "get" this overarching sentiment re: Oly sports and the PAC (I am part of a three-generation PCC/Pac-8/P-10 multisport SA family: many in Olympic sports (Soccer, Swimming, T&F, MVB)). What will undoubtedly happen is that the MPSF...plus other more-regional specialty conferences...will add more teams and more "minor" sports to fill the breach. That "hub" being proposed for Dallas is another example of the potential accommodation. I know Udub doesn't have many warm weather, MPSF-ish programs: rowing is your top sport (IRA handles that). Other leagues and conferences apart from the Pac-12 and from the NCAA itself already exist and will expand to take up the gap from the PAC's demise. Not the best of scenarios; who saw it coming? Just saw that the MPSF moved from Woodland, CA to SLO to Seattle. Gearing up for their expansion? nope, change of PO Box, lol
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