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Post by BeachbytheBay on Sept 6, 2023 16:27:16 GMT -5
lol, this guy is leading Cal? what a dimwit athletes don't want to fly in to Dallas to play a bunch of neutral games, it's silly, and his comments speak to the total absurdity of the choice he 'had' to make. The other one probably being dropping out of D1 vs. 'embarrassing' Cal by going to teh Mtn West or parking sports in teh Big West, lol.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Sept 6, 2023 16:30:18 GMT -5
lol, this guy is leading Cal? what a dimwit athletes don't want to fly in to Dallas to play a bunch of neutral games, it's silly, and his comments speak to the total absurdity of the choice he 'had' to make. The other one probably being dropping out of D1 vs. 'embarrassing' Cal by going to teh Mtn West or parking sports in teh Big West, lol. *woman* (who da dimwit? ).
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Sept 6, 2023 16:34:36 GMT -5
lol, this guy is leading Cal? what a dimwit athletes don't want to fly in to Dallas to play a bunch of neutral games, it's silly, and his comments speak to the total absurdity of the choice he 'had' to make. The other one probably being dropping out of D1 vs. 'embarrassing' Cal by going to teh Mtn West or parking sports in teh Big West, lol. *woman* (who da dimwit? ). lol, yep never presume Caroll O'Connor was a guy
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Sept 6, 2023 16:42:53 GMT -5
Just saw that the MPSF moved from Woodland, CA to SLO to Seattle. Gearing up for their expansion? nope, change of PO Box, lol Nope (again)! I've gone to the website for a number of years. They recently aced ALL 805 #s but one. Called that number (Commissioner's): no answer. Change in P.O. logically means a move in-process
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Post by luckydawg on Sept 6, 2023 16:48:42 GMT -5
From Cougfan.com: "Kirk Schulz: WSU’s legal strategy coming fast and fists will be clenched 'We’re going to fight the good fight,' says Washington State president". Cougfan
May not be sounding very presidential, but it should get the fans excited.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Sept 6, 2023 16:56:33 GMT -5
nope, change of PO Box, lol Nope (again)! I've gone to the website for a number of years. They recently aced All 805 #s but one. Called that number (Commissioner's): no answer. Change in P.O. logically means a move in-process lol, did you at least leave a message?!
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Sept 6, 2023 16:57:12 GMT -5
From Cougfan.com: "Kirk Schulz: WSU’s legal strategy coming fast and fists will be clenched 'We’re going to fight the good fight,' says Washington State president". Cougfan
May not be sounding very presidential, but it should get the fans excited. aaahh, the 'we've got nothing to lose lawsuit' !!
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 6, 2023 17:03:33 GMT -5
Carroll is a traditionally any-sex English name. It is related to Charles, Caroline, Carl, and such.
Carol is a variant that is also any-sex, but at least in modern times is much more commonly given to women.
There is an interesting fact that it is generally considered acceptable to give girls "male" names, but generally considered unacceptable to give boys "female" names, so any-sex names tend to become female-only if they get to be too popular for girls.
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Post by luckydawg on Sept 6, 2023 17:06:30 GMT -5
From Cougfan.com: "Kirk Schulz: WSU’s legal strategy coming fast and fists will be clenched 'We’re going to fight the good fight,' says Washington State president". Cougfan
May not be sounding very presidential, but it should get the fans excited. aaahh, the 'we've got nothing to lose lawsuit' !! Could be a nice distraction from pre-existing financial issues >$75mil deficit
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 6, 2023 17:09:35 GMT -5
aaahh, the 'we've got nothing to lose lawsuit' !! Could be a nice distraction from pre-existing financial issues >$75mil deficitThe articulate speculates it's about some sort of antitrust claim against Fox, but I think it'll probably be much simpler than that: fighting over who is entitled to the PAC-12's NCAA distributions over the next half-decade, as well as PAC-12 Network assets. The 10 departing teams may want to dissolve and divvy them up now; WSU/OSU obviously want to hold onto them.
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Post by hammer on Sept 6, 2023 17:17:36 GMT -5
Carroll is a traditionally any-sex English name. It is related to Charles, Caroline, Carl, and such. Carol is a variant that is also any-sex, but at least in modern times is much more commonly given to women. There is an interesting fact that it is generally considered acceptable to give girls "male" names, but generally considered unacceptable to give boys "female" names, so any-sex names tend to become female-only if they get to be too popular for girls. I wonder if Carol is a Karen?
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Post by baytree on Sept 6, 2023 17:19:13 GMT -5
lol, this guy is leading Cal? what a dimwit athletes don't want to fly in to Dallas to play a bunch of neutral games, it's silly, and his comments speak to the total absurdity of the choice he 'had' to make. The other one probably being dropping out of D1 vs. 'embarrassing' Cal by going to teh Mtn West or parking sports in teh Big West, lol. I don't think Cal (or its Chancellor) had much choice here. As I understand it, this was something that Jim Phillips used to convince NCSU to vote to add Cal, Stanford, and SMU.
Aug. 9
During a presidents' call on a Wednesday night, an expansion proposal to add Stanford and Cal or all three fails by a vote of 11-4.
Twelve of 15 votes are needed for passage. Notre Dame, as a partial member, receives a full vote and is vehemently in support of expansion. The four dissenting votes — Clemson, FSU, North Carolina, NC State — cite a variety of factors for their position. . . .
(2) They are against lengthy cross-country travel at a time when athlete health and well-being is at the center of an athletes rights movement. . . .
Aug. 21
This is a Monday morning. And it is the start of Phillips’ week to make it happen.
He is equipped with the new financial models that he believes will satisfy the four dissenting schools. There is now more money to share, and there is a plan to reduce travel for the original 14 members and Notre Dame. . . .
In a key component to reduce travel, the 15 original ACC members will only be required to send each one of their sports to the Bay Area once every two years. Under another component, eastern members and the two new western members would meet in Dallas to conduct competition in Olympic sports. SMU’s location provides a sensible central hub. It’s unclear if these components have been formalized. . . .
On Friday, there is a sense that presidents from both Carolina schools and even Florida State are seriously considering changing their vote.
“The league has done a good job of finding a solution,” said one official from one of the four schools. “I think this is going to eventually pass.” [. . . .]
Sept. 1
Less than 20 minutes into their 7 a.m. ET call, ACC presidents pass the motion to expand by what is believed to be a 12-3 vote, with NC State having supported the measure.
As you say, they could have instead joined the Mountain West or maybe the AAC.
FWIW, Cal alums raised $1.2M for their NIL this past weekend. They're pretty excited about going to the ACC.
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Post by luckydawg on Sept 6, 2023 17:20:16 GMT -5
Could be a nice distraction from pre-existing financial issues >$75mil deficitThe articulate speculates it's about some sort of antitrust claim against Fox, but I think it'll probably be much simpler than that: fighting over who is entitled to the PAC-12's NCAA distributions over the next half-decade, as well as PAC-12 Network assets. The 10 departing teams may want to dissolve and divvy them up now; WSU/OSU obviously want to hold onto them. I have a vague recollection that once member schools announce their intent to leave, they no longer have voting rights on conference business. There will be lots of lawyers giving lots of opinions on what can/should/could/will happen to the Pac's assets. The negotiations and lawsuits will likely outlast the league.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 6, 2023 17:30:51 GMT -5
The articulate speculates it's about some sort of antitrust claim against Fox, but I think it'll probably be much simpler than that: fighting over who is entitled to the PAC-12's NCAA distributions over the next half-decade, as well as PAC-12 Network assets. The 10 departing teams may want to dissolve and divvy them up now; WSU/OSU obviously want to hold onto them. I have a vague recollection that once member schools announce their intent to leave, they no longer have voting rights on conference business. There will be lots of lawyers giving lots of opinions on what can/should/could/will happen to the Pac's assets. The negotiations and lawsuits will likely outlast the league. If that is in the Bylaws as presented, then that's probably why Wazzu feels good about its chances.
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Post by baytree on Sept 6, 2023 21:28:48 GMT -5
A bit more info on travel for Cal and Stanford:
The Cardinal stated on its website that 22 of its 36 sports “will see either no scheduling changes or minimal scheduling impacts.”
Meanwhile, Christ said that 19 of Cal’s 30 teams ”will have their travel minimally or not at all affected” by the move into the ACC. The unaffected or minimally-affected sports compete meets or tournaments during the regular season, like golf, tennis, cross-country and rowing. “Their patterns of travel essentially are going to be identical (to the current situation),’’ Christ added. “We have a few teams, like field hockey, that already travel to the East Coast. And I’m not worried about football,” which will play a few conference road games per year.
The teams most likely to be impacted are men’s and women’s basketball, baseball, softball and volleyball.
I'm not surprised that those are the sports that will be most affected. Softball and baseball will probably suffer the most.
These are the Cal and Stanford sports that the ACC doesn't play. Only a few of these teams currently play in the PAC; they'll need to find a new home. Can't say how much more travel they'll have until we know where they'll play. The rest shouldn't be affected by Cal or Stanford joining the ACC.
| Stanford |
| Cal |
| Beach Volleyball
| PAC | .
| PAC |
| Men's Rowing | PAC |
| PAC |
| Men's Rugby | plays club only
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| MPSF |
| Men's Volleyball
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| plays club only |
| Men's & Women's Water Polo
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| MPSF |
| Artistic Swimming | MPSF |
| no team
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| Men's & Women's Sailing
| PCCSC |
| plays club only |
| --- | --- | --- | --- |
| Women's Squash
| Independent |
| plays club only |
| Women's Lightweight Rowing
| Independent
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| plays club only
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The Stanford men's and women's fencing and Cal and Stanford women's field hockey teams currently play outside the PAC. Since the ACC sponsors these sports, they presumably will need to join the ACC. It won't affect field hockey, since they already play a lot of East Coast teams, but it will affect fencing. Fencing is a club sport at Berkeley so it shouldn't affect them.
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