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Post by tomclen on Sept 6, 2023 21:54:37 GMT -5
Carroll is a traditionally any-sex English name. It is related to Charles, Caroline, Carl, and such. Carol is a variant that is also any-sex, but at least in modern times is much more commonly given to women. There is an interesting fact that it is generally considered acceptable to give girls "male" names, but generally considered unacceptable to give boys "female" names, so any-sex names tend to become female-only if they get to be too popular for girls. Maury Povich's dad was a famous award-winning sports columnist for the Washington Post: Shirley Povich. I'd love to be able to hear his take on today's college realignment.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 6, 2023 21:58:09 GMT -5
A bit more info on travel for Cal and Stanford: The Cardinal stated on its website that 22 of its 36 sports “will see either no scheduling changes or minimal scheduling impacts.” Meanwhile, Christ said that 19 of Cal’s 30 teams ”will have their travel minimally or not at all affected” by the move into the ACC. The unaffected or minimally-affected sports compete meets or tournaments during the regular season, like golf, tennis, cross-country and rowing. “Their patterns of travel essentially are going to be identical (to the current situation),’’ Christ added. “We have a few teams, like field hockey, that already travel to the East Coast. And I’m not worried about football,” which will play a few conference road games per year.
The teams most likely to be impacted are men’s and women’s basketball, baseball, softball and volleyball. I'm not surprised that those are the sports that will be most affected. Softball and baseball will probably suffer the most. Yeah, for a sport like cross country, they only do like five or six meets a year anyway. Usually, there's some kind of warmup meet (sometimes on a home course), a regular season meet against semi-tough competition, pre-nationals or Nuttycombe against strong competition (depends on where the contenders decide to run that year), your conference meet, your regional meet and then nationals if you qualify. Travel shouldn't be impacted at all.
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Post by jaypak on Sept 7, 2023 10:20:53 GMT -5
Carroll is a traditionally any-sex English name. It is related to Charles, Caroline, Carl, and such. Carol is a variant that is also any-sex, but at least in modern times is much more commonly given to women. There is an interesting fact that it is generally considered acceptable to give girls "male" names, but generally considered unacceptable to give boys "female" names, so any-sex names tend to become female-only if they get to be too popular for girls. Carroll was a popular boys name given in the first half of the 1800's in Tennessee and surrounding states in honor of William Carroll, a general in the War of 1812 and later the governor of Tennessee.
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Post by baytree on Sept 11, 2023 16:43:08 GMT -5
A [Whitman County Superior Court] judge granted a request by Oregon State and Washington State for a temporary restraining order on Monday to prevent departing Pac-12 members from meeting until it can be determined who has the right to make up the disintegrating conference's board of directors. . . .There were no attorneys for any of the departing schools present for the hearing in a courtroom not far from Washington State's Pullman campus.
ETA2 now ESPN has an article:
The ruling for the temporary restraining order both prevents a Pac-12 board meeting scheduled for Wednesday and also sets up a preliminary injunction hearing that is expected to determine who comprises the voting members of the Pac-12 board of directors. That hearing has not been set, but would likely be scheduled in October. It could include document and email discovery from the Pac-12 and member schools and live witness testimony from prominent officials in and around the Pac-12.
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Post by luckydawg on Sept 11, 2023 17:13:13 GMT -5
A [Whitman County Superior Court] judge granted a request by Oregon State and Washington State for a temporary restraining order on Monday to prevent departing Pac-12 members from meeting until it can be determined who has the right to make up the disintegrating conference's board of directors. . . .There were no attorneys for any of the departing schools present for the hearing in a courtroom not far from Washington State's Pullman campus.
I'm somewhat surprised that a county judge can issue an order that primarily applies to an organization located in another state, whose members are incorporated in other states, for a meeting that was to take place in another state. Home field advantage?
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Sept 11, 2023 17:50:05 GMT -5
A [Whitman County Superior Court] judge granted a request by Oregon State and Washington State for a temporary restraining order on Monday to prevent departing Pac-12 members from meeting until it can be determined who has the right to make up the disintegrating conference's board of directors. . . .There were no attorneys for any of the departing schools present for the hearing in a courtroom not far from Washington State's Pullman campus.
I'm somewhat surprised that a county judge can issue an order that primarily applies to an organization located in another state, whose members are incorporated in other states, for a meeting that was to take place in another state. Home field advantage? Oh yeah...and yet not-for-long, I feel. Just the opening salvo here; can you say "change of venue"?
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 11, 2023 18:05:12 GMT -5
I'm somewhat surprised that a county judge can issue an order that primarily applies to an organization located in another state, whose members are incorporated in other states, for a meeting that was to take place in another state. This is why there are higher courts that can be appealed to.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 11, 2023 18:20:59 GMT -5
A [Whitman County Superior Court] judge granted a request by Oregon State and Washington State for a temporary restraining order on Monday to prevent departing Pac-12 members from meeting until it can be determined who has the right to make up the disintegrating conference's board of directors. . . .There were no attorneys for any of the departing schools present for the hearing in a courtroom not far from Washington State's Pullman campus.
I'm somewhat surprised that a county judge can issue an order that primarily applies to an organization located in another state, whose members are incorporated in other states, for a meeting that was to take place in another state. Home field advantage? This'll get removed to federal court pretty quickly, I presume.
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Post by tomclen on Sept 11, 2023 20:07:26 GMT -5
Seems that someone should have been able to get scratch for PAC12 Football.
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Post by luckydawg on Sept 11, 2023 20:47:37 GMT -5
Seems that someone should have been able to get scratch for PAC12 Football. May not be fair, but media contract value is based on number of tv viewers not team rankings.
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Post by bbg95 on Oct 6, 2023 21:06:33 GMT -5
I always thought it had to be Stanford, Cal, Washington or Oregon. I never would have guessed that Utah was the one pushing the $50 million counter.
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Post by baytree on Oct 6, 2023 21:24:12 GMT -5
I always thought it had to be Stanford, Cal, Washington or Oregon. I never would have guessed that Utah was the one pushing the $50 million counter. We kind of knew it wasn't Cal or Washington bc the first report referred to the president as "he". I didn't think it was Stanford bc (1) MTL really wanted to keep the PAC together and was very willing to eat costs to do so. I don't think he would have pushed a risky bid and (2) I don't think he cares that much about sports but does value the status quo. Also, none of the B school profs have much expertise on the valuation of sports broadcasts. And MTL was much too busy fighting his own problems with studies to put much effort into this. But I wasn't sure and was curious.
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Post by tomclen on Oct 7, 2023 6:44:36 GMT -5
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Post by bigfan on Oct 7, 2023 15:38:56 GMT -5
Neither UCLA or USC playing up to their potential right now
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Post by baytree on Oct 7, 2023 16:23:30 GMT -5
I'd like to know who the other presidents pushing for $50M were. They're all responsible, whether they were one of the ones who enthusiastically supported it or one of the ones who went along, but I'd still like to know. I'm sure it will come out eventually. Records show that Utah hired three consultants. Other schools weren’t far behind. Randall, I’m told, also wasn’t alone in pushing for the $50 million valuation. At least three others in the Pac-12 board room were also enthusiastic about it. The other campus leaders were indifferent and went along with it.
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