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Post by luckydawg on Dec 17, 2023 16:03:04 GMT -5
Here's my plan for the formulation of a new conference. 1) First assimilate the big market schools such as San Diego, San Jose and Long Beach. (need the bucks) 2) Next assimilate programs that have top tier reputations and national exposure in individual programs such as Gonzaga, UNLV (MB), BSU (FB), CSU and Utah St (WVB) and Cal State Fullerton (baseball, soccer) This would put the conference in p5 discussions within 5 years 3) Then go after some big fish like BYU, former PAC schools, or maybe some private universities strong in academia (Stanford please reconsider, CalTech is no Stanford). Among other problems with your plan: P5 conferences are built around football. Second is viewership in football because that's where the money is. None of the programs you mention have significantly large fan bases. Third, why would Stanford align themselves with universities that are several tiers below them academically?
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Dec 17, 2023 16:41:37 GMT -5
Here's my plan for the formulation of a new conference. 1) First assimilate the big market schools such as San Diego, San Jose and Long Beach. (need the bucks) 2) Next assimilate programs that have top tier reputations and national exposure in individual programs such as Gonzaga, UNLV (MB), BSU (FB), CSU and Utah St (WVB) and Cal State Fullerton (baseball, soccer) This would put the conference in p5 discussions within 5 years 3) Then go after some big fish like BYU, former PAC schools, or maybe some private universities strong in academia (Stanford please reconsider, CalTech is no Stanford). Among other problems with your plan: P5 conferences are built around football. Second is viewership in football because that's where the money is. None of the programs you mention have significantly large fan bases. Third, why would Stanford align themselves with universities that are several tiers below them academically? I never said Stanford would join, but 5 years down the road, who knows what their sentiments are. They could determine the ACC sucks or they don't need as much revenue as originally thought and want to return to their pacific roots. And yes, football is important, that's why BSU, SJU & SDS(enlarged stadiums or the use of neighboring stadiums) would be big pickups. I see LBS possibly reintroducing it and WSU (playing more games in Seattle and Spokane) as big draws. Like I said before, one small step for man, one big step for mankind. And I thought I spammed you, I better fixed that, you're just a trolling pill who fails to see the possibilities of life outside of a future claustro-fu*c&ed Big 10.
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Post by luckydawg on Dec 17, 2023 19:18:28 GMT -5
Among other problems with your plan: P5 conferences are built around football. Second is viewership in football because that's where the money is. None of the programs you mention have significantly large fan bases. Third, why would Stanford align themselves with universities that are several tiers below them academically? I never said Stanford would join, but 5 years down the road, who knows what their sentiments are. They could determine the ACC sucks or they don't need as much revenue as originally thought and want to return to their pacific roots. And yes, football is important, that's why BSU, SJU & SDS(enlarged stadiums or the use of neighboring stadiums) would be big pickups. I see LBS possibly reintroducing it and WSU (playing more games in Seattle and Spokane) as big draws. Like I said before, one small step for man, one big step for mankind. And I thought I spammed you, I better fixed that, you're just a trolling pill who fails to see the possibilities of life outside of a future claustro-fu*c&ed Big 10. Despite your well articulated logic, the issues to overcome are: - In five months years Stanford will still be eight years away from the end of their ACC commitment; - Larger stadiums don't bring more fans, there are just more empty seats; - WSU tried playing a game in Seattle every year. It did not go well for them, so it stopped after several years. Not caring for facts does not make them any less true.
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 18, 2023 11:00:36 GMT -5
Correct. And that's why BYU will continue to recruit in those states. If they were able to recruit in the West as a member of the WAC, Mountain West and WCC, they'll be able to recruit there as a member of the Big 12. Yes, but it's a lot easier if you have games in those areas. It's good for parents to watch games and it's easier to allocate resources for watching and scouting the kids. Regardless, I don't think BYU is one you want to hang your hat on, I think they could be successful either way. But 5 years down the road it will be interesting to see who comes knockn. Okay, if you don't live here in Utah County, you might not understand, so I'll explain it more. BYU has been recruiting in the West since the inception of the program. Moreover, there are tons of students at BYU from California, Arizona, Idaho and Nevada. There are also a lot from Colorado, Washington and Oregon. And the vast majority of them are not student athletes. This is why I don't think BYU will really be hurt in recruiting in this region by the conference change. However, the dynamic you're talking about could be (and I think will be) a major benefit in Texas and other Big 12 areas. BYU women's volleyball has only had four players from Texas in the history of the program, and one of them is on the team now and committed after the Big 12 announcement. With so much volleyball talent and athletic talent in Texas overall, I think this will be a positive for BYU recruiting across all sports. Now, a Texas recruit (especially one who is LDS) can go to BYU and still get to play close to home multiple times every season. I think Suli Davis is a good example. She may have chosen to come to BYU anyway, but I think being in the Big 12 made the decision easier than it would have been in the WCC.
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 18, 2023 11:07:57 GMT -5
Getting back to the present and near future of the Pac-2, I thought this article by Kyle Bonagura at ESPN was really good.
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Post by jayz34 on Dec 20, 2023 15:12:56 GMT -5
Getting back to the present and near future of the Pac-2, I thought this article by Kyle Bonagura at ESPN was really good. Per this article, Wazzu and Oregon St are expected to join WCC for non-football/baseball sports for next 2 seasons. Formal vote tomorrow morning.
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Post by JJVb on Dec 20, 2023 15:29:31 GMT -5
Getting back to the present and near future of the Pac-2, I thought this article by Kyle Bonagura at ESPN was really good. Per this article. Wazzu and Oregon St are expected to join WCC for non-football/baseball sports for next 2 seasons. Formal vote tomorrow morning. Interesting they go to the WCC instead of MWC. Better for volleyball competition thats for sure.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 20, 2023 15:52:37 GMT -5
Appears to be a temporary move. At least for now.
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Post by brooselee on Dec 20, 2023 15:53:13 GMT -5
Per this article. Wazzu and Oregon St are expected to join WCC for non-football/baseball sports for next 2 seasons. Formal vote tomorrow morning. Interesting they go to the WCC instead of MWC. Better for volleyball competition thats for sure. Also for basketball….and travel. WCC has St. Mary and Gonzaga. MWC has San Diego State as basketball powers. Travel in the WCC…Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco, Portland, Santa Clara, Malibu(with side trips to Spokane and Moraga) Travel in the MWC….Logan, Laramie, Fort Collins, Albuquerque, Colorado Springs, Reno….tons of high altitude places. Kind of an easy decision IMHO.
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Post by tomclen on Dec 20, 2023 16:02:18 GMT -5
Now if only Gonzaga can do for their VB program what they've done for basketball.
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 20, 2023 16:09:30 GMT -5
Getting back to the present and near future of the Pac-2, I thought this article by Kyle Bonagura at ESPN was really good. Per this article, Wazzu and Oregon St are expected to join WCC for non-football/baseball sports for next 2 seasons. Formal vote tomorrow morning. Interesting. I'm a little surprised because the Pac-2 don't fit the typical WCC profile.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Dec 20, 2023 16:11:25 GMT -5
Interesting they go to the WCC instead of MWC. Better for volleyball competition thats for sure. Also for basketball….and travel. WCC has St. Mary and Gonzaga. MWC has San Diego State as basketball powers. Travel in the WCC…Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco, Portland, Santa Clara, Malibu(with side trips to Spokane and Moraga) Travel in the MWC….Logan, Laramie, Fort Collins, Albuquerque, Colorado Springs, Reno….tons of high altitude places. Kind of an easy decision IMHO. Sounding like the underpinnings of a new PAC-12.
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Post by JJVb on Dec 20, 2023 16:39:26 GMT -5
Im not sure a program has ever been left in such shambles as WSU's vb program. No coach. No 2024 recruits. Like 4 people on the roster. How can a program survive this? Talk about a major fall from grace.
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Post by tomclen on Dec 20, 2023 16:43:52 GMT -5
Im not sure a program has ever been left in such shambles as WSU's vb program. No coach. No 2024 recruits. Like 4 people on the roster. How can a program survive this? Talk about a major fall from grace. Wonder if Jim Moore would be interested in Pullman. Or is he happy at LCCC? c4ndlelight
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Post by hammer on Dec 20, 2023 16:49:01 GMT -5
Im not sure a program has ever been left in such shambles as WSU's vb program. No coach. No 2024 recruits. Like 4 people on the roster. How can a program survive this? Talk about a major fall from grace. Wonder if Jim Moore would be interested in Pullman. Or is he happy at LCCC? c4ndlelightMick Haley says "hello".
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