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Post by volleyguy on Dec 17, 2023 11:45:27 GMT -5
And it probably still will. Though being in the Big 12 means that BYU will likely get more talent from Texas (e.g. Suli Davis) and elsewhere in the future. I can understand a kid wanting to get out of Texas though, not so with the opportunity to play out west. BYU's recruitment reach is obviously not defined by their conference participation. Texas being in their conference has little impact on their recruitment, but having "natural" rivalries might.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Dec 17, 2023 11:50:30 GMT -5
I can understand a kid wanting to get out of Texas though, not so with the opportunity to play out west. BYU's recruitment reach is obviously not defined by their conference participation. Texas being in their conference has little impact on their recruitment, but having "natural" rivalries might. Yes, Utah joining them will be a big boost. Also, I'm guessing their religious affiliation goes a long way in recruiting.
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 17, 2023 12:04:44 GMT -5
I can understand a kid wanting to get out of Texas though, not so with the opportunity to play out west. BYU's recruitment reach is obviously not defined by their conference participation. Texas being in their conference has little impact on their recruitment, but having "natural" rivalries might. If you're referring to Utah, being in the same conference is irrelevant at best and negative at worst. It's not like BYU had much trouble getting players from Utah (the state) in the last decade. And being in a Texas-based P4 conference is a pretty big deal. There are more LDS people in Texas (close to 400,000) than you might think. Being in a P4 conference is more important than being in a Texas-based P4 conference, but the latter still matters to some degree.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Dec 17, 2023 12:20:05 GMT -5
BYU's recruitment reach is obviously not defined by their conference participation. Texas being in their conference has little impact on their recruitment, but having "natural" rivalries might. If you're referring to Utah, being in the same conference is irrelevant at best and negative at worst. It's not like BYU had much trouble getting players from Utah (the state) in the last decade. And being in a Texas-based P4 conference is a pretty big deal. There are more LDS people in Texas (close to 400,000) than you might think. Being in a P4 conference is more important than being in a Texas-based P4 conference, but the latter still matters to some degree. Maybe, but it sure goes a long way in impacting attendance and I'm guessing ratings as well. Utah was its biggest draw this year, the @ UT games playing 2nd fiddle.
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 17, 2023 12:25:49 GMT -5
BYU's recruitment reach is obviously not defined by their conference participation. Texas being in their conference has little impact on their recruitment, but having "natural" rivalries might. If you're referring to Utah, being in the same conference is irrelevant at best and negative at worst. It's not like BYU had much trouble getting players from Utah (the state) in the last decade. And being in a Texas-based P4 conference is a pretty big deal. There are more LDS people in Texas (close to 400,000) than you might think. Being in a P4 conference is more important than being in a Texas-based P4 conference, but the latter still matters to some degree. I'm trying to understand how you go from "Utah, being in the same conference is irrelevant at best and negative at worst" to then stating that Utah was the biggest draw. I mean, which is it?
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 17, 2023 12:27:41 GMT -5
If you're referring to Utah, being in the same conference is irrelevant at best and negative at worst. It's not like BYU had much trouble getting players from Utah (the state) in the last decade. And being in a Texas-based P4 conference is a pretty big deal. There are more LDS people in Texas (close to 400,000) than you might think. Being in a P4 conference is more important than being in a Texas-based P4 conference, but the latter still matters to some degree. I'm trying to understand how you go from "Utah, being in the same conference is irrelevant at best and negative at worst" to then stating that Utah was the biggest draw. I mean, which is it? Lol. Do you not understand the difference between the University of Utah and the state of Utah? BYU is located in Utah, and there are millions of LDS people in the state so of course that will always be a big recruiting source for them. They play Utah every year anyway, and players are not coming to BYU so that they can play Utah twice a year instead of once. Utah being in the same conference is not beneficial because it would be better to be the only Big 12 school in Utah. I don't think there is a single recruit that will choose BYU now because Utah is in the same conference, but there might be some who go to Utah instead. Edit: Also, where did I say that "Utah was the biggest draw"? Per usual, your reading comprehension could be better.
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 17, 2023 12:30:51 GMT -5
I'm trying to understand how you go from "Utah, being in the same conference is irrelevant at best and negative at worst" to then stating that Utah was the biggest draw. I mean, which is it? Lol. Do you not understand the difference between the University of Utah and the state of Utah? Well, the State of Utah is not in the conference, so it's you who failed to make the right distinction, Mr. content editor.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Dec 17, 2023 12:46:07 GMT -5
BYU's recruitment reach is obviously not defined by their conference participation. Texas being in their conference has little impact on their recruitment, but having "natural" rivalries might. There are more LDS people in Texas (close to 400,000) than you might think. Besides Utah @ number 1 the vast majority are out west: California about twice as many 734,989 #2 Idaho 471,241 #3 Washington 283,000 #6 Nevada 182,000 #7 Oregon 151,000 #9
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Post by bbg95 on Dec 17, 2023 13:08:55 GMT -5
There are more LDS people in Texas (close to 400,000) than you might think. Besides Utah @ number 1 the vast majority are out west: California about twice as many 734,989 #2 Idaho 471,241 #3 Washington 283,000 #6 Nevada 182,000 #7 Oregon 151,000 #9 Correct. And that's why BYU will continue to recruit in those states. If they were able to recruit in the West as a member of the WAC, Mountain West (San Diego State was the only California school in the conference while BYU was there) and WCC, they'll be able to recruit there as a member of the Big 12.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 17, 2023 13:11:27 GMT -5
"WSU, OSU take control of Pac-12 after momentous court victory vs. UW, other departing schools" That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind I missed that earlier. The Washington Supreme Court declined to reveal the appeal of the Pac-12 and the 10 departing schools. Oregon State and Washington State now control the conference. Seems pretty likely that if the rest of the schools want to challenge this, they will take it to Federal Courts. But I'm not sure they should bother. I suspect they would lose there, too, and just spend a lot of money doing so.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Dec 17, 2023 13:14:06 GMT -5
Besides Utah @ number 1 the vast majority are out west: California about twice as many 734,989 #2 Idaho 471,241 #3 Washington 283,000 #6 Nevada 182,000 #7 Oregon 151,000 #9 Correct. And that's why BYU will continue to recruit in those states. If they were able to recruit in the West as a member of the WAC, Mountain West and WCC, they'll be able to recruit there as a member of the Big 12. Yes, but it's a lot easier if you have games in those areas. It's good for parents to watch games and it's easier to allocate resources for watching and scouting the kids. Regardless, I don't think BYU is one you want to hang your hat on, I think they could be successful either way. But 5 years down the road it will be interesting to see who comes knockn.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Dec 17, 2023 14:43:02 GMT -5
Here's my plan for the formulation of a new conference.
1) First assimilate the big market schools such as San Diego, San Jose and Long Beach. (need the bucks)
2) Next assimilate programs that have top tier reputations and national exposure in individual programs such as Gonzaga, UNLV (MB), BSU (FB), CSU and Utah St (WVB) and Cal State Fullerton (baseball, soccer)
This would put the conference in p5 discussions within 5 years
3) Then go after some big fish like BYU, former PAC schools, or maybe some private universities strong in academia (Stanford please reconsider, CalTech is no Stanford).
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Post by trojansc on Dec 17, 2023 14:55:11 GMT -5
Here's my plan for the formulation of a new conference. 1) First assimilate the big market schools such as San Diego, San Jose and Long Beach. (need the bucks) 2) Next assimilate programs that have top tier reputations and national exposure in individual programs such as Gonzaga, UNLV (MB), BSU (FB), CSU and Utah St (WVB) and Cal State Fullerton (baseball, soccer) This would put the conference in p5 discussions within 5 years 3) Then go after some big fish like BYU, former PAC schools, or maybe some private universities strong in academia (Stanford please reconsider, CalTech is no Stanford). There's just no way option 3 is happening.
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Post by utoolity on Dec 17, 2023 14:59:46 GMT -5
What will be interesting is when 3-4 teams get sick of being the bottom feeders in a few power 4 leagues and a new media outlet wants to kickstart another power conference. Money talks and 18 team conferences are destined to split.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Dec 17, 2023 15:01:11 GMT -5
Here's my plan for the formulation of a new conference. 1) First assimilate the big market schools such as San Diego, San Jose and Long Beach. (need the bucks) 2) Next assimilate programs that have top tier reputations and national exposure in individual programs such as Gonzaga, UNLV (MB), BSU (FB), CSU and Utah St (WVB) and Cal State Fullerton (baseball, soccer) This would put the conference in p5 discussions within 5 years 3) Then go after some big fish like BYU, former PAC schools, or maybe some private universities strong in academia (Stanford please reconsider, CalTech is no Stanford). There's just no way option 3 is happening. I forgot to mention except for USC and UCLA, the schools that created this fiasco.
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